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Reyes, do you want to be a Jeter or a Rey Ordonez?

metirish Apr 24 2008 01:31 PM

Why would Jose want to be like either of them , or I suppose I should ask why Wally wants Reyes to be like Jeter , can't he just be himself? ] From: Wallace Matthews Sports columnist Newsday To: Jose Reyes Just what kind of a baseball player do you want to be, anyway? What kind of a career do you want to have? What type of legacy would you like to leave behind? How would you like to be remembered, as another Derek Jeter? Or another Rey Ordoņez? You're probably too young to remember Rey Ordoņez, but for those of us who have followed the Mets for longer than you've been alive, Rey-Rey is impossible to forget. He, too, came up with the kind of hype that has attached itself to you from the day you signed a Mets' minor-league contract. When Ordoņez was a rookie, there was actually debate among otherwise rational people over which young shortstop would have the better career, him or Jeter. Now, of course, we know the answer. Jeter's name is synonymous with winner; Ordoņez's name is synonymous with bust. So which is it going to be for you? Clearly, you can go either way. And depending upon which way you go, so, too, will go the Mets. I'm glad you're having fun again, with your celebrations and your dugout dance routines. But for thousands of Mets fans throughout the city, the only fun is seeing this team win and seeing you play well. The two go hand-in-hand, like one of your silly handshakes. In a lot of ways, you are a symbol of your team, this breathtakingly talented and profoundly frustrating array of ballplayers that so far has given us more days to forget than to remember. I realize there is plenty of blame to spread around for the slow start of the 2008 Mets, who on some days look suspiciously like a continuation of the 2007 Mets. But all blame starts at the top - of the batting order, that is - and that is where you come in. Through 19 games last year, you were hitting .329. Your on-base percentage, all important for a leadoff hitter, was .421. You had scored 21 runs, drawn 13 walks, stolen 12 bases in 14 attempts. The Mets' record at the time was 13-6, and that was not coincidence. It was cause and effect. This year, you are hitting only .280. You have drawn a mere four walks, stolen only three bases in five tries, scored only 12 runs. Your OBP, .313, is worse than all but three other NL leadoff hitters. Even Rickie Weeks, batting .192 at the top of the Brewers' lineup, is getting on base more often than you. As a result, the Mets are struggling, a mere game over .500 going into last night's game against the Nationals. In large part, this is because you, Jose Reyes, are not doing your job, which is to create runs at the top of the batting order and prevent runs on the field. You can't do the first if your body isn't on base and you can't do the second if your head isn't in the game. The other day in Chicago, your decision to throw home on what should have been an inning-ending double-play ball led directly to the grand slam that blew the game open. What exactly were you thinking? You can blame Jorge Sosa if you like. But had you made the right play, he never would have been in the position to throw that pitch. And you might have come up in the ninth with a chance to do something meaningful. Instead, you grounded out to end a game that was already out of reach. You can shrug the blame off on the manager or the GM or the bullpen or the first baseman or the centerfielder, and on any given day, any one of them can be measured for the clown suit. But day in and day out, it is you that makes this engine go - or stall in the mud. When it comes down to it, the long-term success of this ballclub depends on you and David Wright, the axis around which all Mets teams for the next 15 years are supposed to be built. Wright not only has delivered on his promise, but exceeded it. But on too many days, we wonder if you will ever keep yours. I sincerely hope so. Over the past two seasons, the fortunes of the Mets have risen and fallen with you. Since 2006, they have gone from the presumed best team in the league to the official second-best team in the division. Likewise, you have gone from one of the best players in the game to no better than the third-best shortstop in your division. No coincidence there, either. In April, it is not too late for the Mets to regroup and at 24, it is certainly not too late for you to keep the promises you have made to your team, and the promises that have been made to the fans in your behalf. But it is all up to you, Jose Reyes. Who do you want to be when you grow up? DJ? Or Rey-Rey? Eagerly awaiting your reply, Wallace Matthews [url=http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spwally245661966apr24,0,1391306.story]Reyes[/url]

Benjamin Grimm Apr 24 2008 01:37 PM

He's already had a better career than Rey Ordonez.

bmfc1 Apr 24 2008 01:37 PM

The little boy in the picture under the caption "Give Us Your Best Shot" on newsday.com knows more about baseball than comedian Wallace Matthews. http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 24 2008 01:42 PM

Dear Wally, Shut the fuck up. Sincerely, Everyone

AG/DC Apr 24 2008 01:44 PM

Edgy DC wrote: What a bag of nonsense! Are there not more options than being another Rey Ordóņez or another Derek Jeter? First of all, Jeter's name is not synonymous with "winner" in everybody's thesaurus, thank you. Derek Jeter has made his share of errors, mental and phyiscal, and he's still Derek Jeter, whatever his name may translate as. How about being rememberd as another Aparicio? Or Appling? Or Honus Wagner? Woulldn't that be something? I myself would be happy to be remembered as not another Wallace Matthews. In large part, this is because you, Wallace Matthews, are not doing your job, which is to seek the truth, not distort it.

Frayed Knot Apr 24 2008 01:47 PM

" [Ordonez] too, came up with the kind of hype that has attached itself to you from the day you signed a Mets' minor-league contract." That's not even close to accurate.

KC Apr 24 2008 03:27 PM

What's really funny is that if a Mets star like Jose or Wright had that smirky cockiness (with a dash of look at me I'm pretty) thing that Jeets has had going on Wally would write an article telling them to know their place and suggest they be more like some other Yankee. It's just stupid and that's why I don't read it unless it comes up in a thread conversation or something.

Mendoza Line Apr 24 2008 04:42 PM

]You have drawn a mere four walks, stolen only three bases in five tries, scored only 12 runs. It's early to be projecting anything, but 12 runs in 19 games projects to 102 over 162. Not bad considering the weak production from the 2, 4, and 5 spots in the order so far.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 24 2008 05:31 PM

Mendoza Line wrote: ]You have drawn a mere four walks, stolen only three bases in five tries, scored only 12 runs. It's early to be projecting anything, but 12 runs in 19 games projects to 102 over 162. Not bad considering the weak production from the 2, 4, and 5 spots in the order so far. I agree with you about 19 games being too early. David Wright's April of last year was dreadful yet in the end he was the league's MVP IMO. But Reyes isn't having much of a season so far, for what it's worth. If he's projecting out to 102 runs scored, one could argue that he should be projecting to something higher than that number.

G-Fafif Apr 24 2008 05:43 PM

Jose Reyes, Rey Ordonez and Derek Jeter have all had better careers than Wally Matthews.

Frayed Knot Apr 24 2008 07:04 PM

[url=http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2008/04/small-sample-size-gilloolys.html]FJM.com[/url] points out the folly of the a small sample size, particularly as Wally uses Reyes's start: .280, 4 BBs, 3 SB, 12 runs scored, .313 OBA, to proclaim him to be "no Derek Jeter". And the main problem in his argument is the (conviently ignored) start of the great Jeter: .277 BA, 2 BBs, 0 SB, 7 runs scored, and a .309 OBA,

Nymr83 Apr 24 2008 07:29 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: [url=http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2008/04/small-sample-size-gilloolys.html]FJM.com[/url] points out the folly of the a small sample size, particularly as Wally uses Reyes's start: .280, 4 BBs, 3 SB, 12 runs scored, .313 OBA, to proclaim him to be "no Derek Jeter". And the main problem in his argument is the (conviently ignored) start of the great Jeter: .277 BA, 2 BBs, 0 SB, 7 runs scored, and a .309 OBA, fool. the great jeter does not deign to hit in april, wait until october!

Fman99 Apr 24 2008 08:16 PM

Wally, you are a cunt. Sincerely, Fman99

metirish Apr 24 2008 09:10 PM

Fman99 wrote: Wally, you are a cunt. Sincerely, Fman99 That just made me laugh so hard.

*62 Apr 25 2008 02:41 PM

Good article. Reyes was the most glaring component of last seasons collapse and has, largely, sucked a$$ so far this year. When he learns to play GOOD BASEBALL six or (GASP) seven nights weekly then he may be something more than the third best shortstop in his own division. But don't hold your breath. This is probably his last year in New York - I can hope, anyway - if the Mets mope through another lackluster season. Spin it any way you like ..... he's had one All-Star-caliber season in FIVE and is the single most overrated player in the game.

AG/DC Apr 25 2008 02:45 PM

And your post is spin-free?

Benjamin Grimm Apr 25 2008 02:46 PM

He's 24 years old. WAY too early to be giving up on him.

*62 Apr 25 2008 02:46 PM

]And your post is spin-free? Which part you take issue with?

*62 Apr 25 2008 02:50 PM

="Benjamin Grimm"]He's 24 years old. WAY too early to be giving up on him. You could look at it that way ..... or you could also say he's the friggin' six-year incumbent starter at the position with a career OBP identical to Bud Harrelson. Perspective is all. I've been a Met fan 45 years .... I'll be one (G-d willing) long after Jose plays his last game. So far, his overall body of work is less impressive than the infectious smile. All the more frustrating since the talent is all there. Smiles are cheap, though.

AG/DC Apr 25 2008 02:56 PM

="*62"] ]And your post is spin-free? Which part you take issue with? Well there's all of it, really. Let's go with facts. He's had two All-Star seasons. Having any is nothing to sneeze at. He's had the three best offensive seasons by a Met shortstop ever. Probably the three best seasons. Nobody performs well seven days a week. I wish he did better and I fear he'll do worse, just like everybody, but you're holding hiim to a standard nobody could meet, and that is spin. I don't know where you find the likelihood that this is his last season in New York. He's locked up and he's a bargain.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 25 2008 02:58 PM

I guess I haven't seen as much, since I've only been a fan for 38 years. You can call him a six-year incumbent if you like, but he's just starting his fourth year as the full-time shortstop. And again, he's 24, an age where his best years are ahead of him. You're invoking "perspective" but you don't seem to have any.

*62 Apr 25 2008 03:02 PM

Good contract. Great call by Omar tabbing DW as the center of the team and not Jose. He has played in two AS games but had only one (my words precisely) 'All-Star-caliber season'. He had two good months of six last year, and his finish, widely reported to be an attitude problem, cost the team their lead in September. Not a great season, 2007, for Jose. I don't expect him to never go 0-4 .... it's the assinine way he goes about going 0-4 that makes me throw shit at my television; he has no baseball SENSE; all the talent necessary to make New Yorkers actually compare him to Jeter, but none of the sense. I just think him to be vastly overrated based on what he's done on the field.

*62 Apr 25 2008 03:09 PM

="Benjamin Grimm"]I guess I haven't seen as much, since I've only been a fan for 38 years. You can call him a six-year incumbent if you like, but he's just starting his fourth year as the full-time shortstop. And again, he's 24, an age where his best years are ahead of him. You're invoking "perspective" but you don't seem to have any. I know; it's not popular to mack on the team's most ..... what? ..... charismatic player. The two half seasons lost to hammy troubles were his problem, no one else's; KIDS ought not lose that much time to hamstring issues and need to be taught how to friggin' run, for Pete's sake. Throwing to the wrong base .... consistently out of position on the field .... terrible on-base percentage .... no power .... and doing his utmost to play Willie Randolph out of a job. As for my perspective ... it's splendid, thank you. At least I don't need to rationalize (lie to myself) about something like my favorite baseball team's shortstop which, in the grand scheme of things, isn't terribly important. He's a very good player ..... when he feels like.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 25 2008 03:16 PM

*62 wrote: As for my perspective ... it's splendid, thank you. At least I don't need to rationalize (lie to myself) about something like my favorite baseball team's shortstop which, in the grand scheme of things, isn't terribly important. Aren't you the one who started this rant on this unimportant subject?

KC Apr 25 2008 03:31 PM

Yeah, uh, I think it's still a little early to take the Jose-poisoned-my-puppy- and-I-want-him-gone-NOW!!! stance -- but whatever. Some Mets fans need to be miserable over someone or something.

*62 Apr 25 2008 03:37 PM

KC wrote: Yeah, uh, I think it's still a little early to take the Jose-poisoned-my-puppy- and-I-want-him-gone-NOW!!! stance -- but whatever. Too much drama; I'll settle for an off-season trade to an AL club. ]Some Mets fans need to be miserable over someone or something. Not me, Sparky. I take the wins with the losses, one day at a time, and move on with something I call "life". I probably haven't been upset over a Met loss for more than ten minutes since 1973's Game 7 loss to Oakland. But I was only twelve then. It's baseball, remember? It's fun, and nothing to ever be miserable about. Among other reasons it's why I'm a LL Ump here in Florida District Nine.

*62 Apr 25 2008 03:41 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 25 2008 03:43 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: ="*62"] As for my perspective ... it's splendid, thank you. At least I don't need to rationalize (lie to myself) about something like my favorite baseball team's shortstop which, in the grand scheme of things, isn't terribly important. Aren't you the one who started this rant on this unimportant subject? ]"Shut the fuck up, Wally" "You're a cunt, Wally" I just thought those were a little over-the-top for a baseball discussion, and decided to post my own reason for still not having gotten drunk on the Jose Kool-Aid. So, you see, I wasn't on a rant at all; just expressing my own opinion. And people get angry when Jose takes a bullet, instead of being frustrated by his continuous pop outs.

KC Apr 25 2008 03:42 PM

LOL -- hey, from one condescending prick to another -- don't call me Sparky.

*62 Apr 25 2008 03:43 PM

KC wrote: LOL -- hey, from one condescending prick to another -- don't call me Sparky. I can live with that.

*62 Apr 25 2008 03:45 PM

Brent Fucking Mayne?!?! Jeebus Rice! SOmeone add ten posts to my count in a hurry. I want Koosman.

Zvon Apr 25 2008 03:57 PM

*62 wrote: Good contract. Great call by Omar tabbing DW as the center of the team and not Jose. I personally don't think Reyes will be going anywhere soon, tho I do believe he needs to mature a bit more to be able to reach his true potential. In regards to the quote above, I have wondered if the contract status, or differential compared to Wright, has not affected Jose's attitude in some way. I picture Ricky Henderson gettin in Reye's ear and sayin " You listen to Ricky. You make this team go, not that Wrightboy. You should be makin mo money than him. He's only makin mo cuz he's Wright. That ain't right. You listen to Ricky..."

*62 Apr 25 2008 04:15 PM

Over his career, Jose scores almost exactly forty percent of the time he reaches base!! That's an amazing stat in and of itself. All he needs to do is forget his home run trot and get on base and the rest will always take care of itself. And having "the team go as Jose goes" is a dangerous proposition when the guy in question is prone to moping and regular lapses in concentration; on the field and at bat.

metsmarathon Apr 25 2008 04:17 PM

*62 wrote: You could look at it that way ..... or you could also say he's the friggin' six-year incumbent starter at the position with a career OBP identical to Bud Harrelson. Perspective is all. bud harrelson? through the season of his 24th year, bud harrelson had a career obp of about 0.291 and an OPS+ of 68 i don't think that's a remotely fair comparison

*62 Apr 25 2008 04:20 PM

Bud Harrelson ..... Career OBP of .327 Jose Reyes .............................. .328 http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/harrebu01.shtml And Bud had to face REAL pitching five days of five. You're right .... no comparison. Bud wins .... fight stopped on cuts. Is Jose's glass half full of half empty? And why isn't it full by now?

batmagadanleadoff Apr 25 2008 04:30 PM

*62 wrote: Bud Harrelson ..... Career OBP of .327 Jose Reyes .............................. .328 http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/harrebu01.shtml And Bud had to face REAL pitching five days of five. Yup. And play in the Astrodome six games and a year, and a couple of other parks that are no longer here, having been replaced by even comfier stadiums that Reyes gets to hit in. Reyes' road games include Coors, The New Coors in Philly, and on and on, etc.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 25 2008 04:37 PM

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Yup. And play in the Astrodome six games.... Actually, it was nine games prior to divisional play. And then, that would also include games at Forbes Field, another tough mother of a place to hit in.

KC Apr 25 2008 05:03 PM

Bud's unscientific avg OBP for his first four years was about .260 -- if we're going to start comparing the two of them -- which is kinda dumm imo. If you could magically poll each NL team and offer them Bud at 24 or Jose at 24 --- come on, really, who do you think they'd pick. And for one to say they don't fret more than ten minutes after a Mets loss and then blame Jose for the 2007 collapse makes parts of this thread seem more like muckraking than anything else.

Frayed Knot Apr 25 2008 05:04 PM

]terrible on-base percentage .... no power .... In the interest of accuracy, his last two seasons (the ones he turned 23 & 24) have shown better than league average OBPs (.354 to .334) and Slg Avgs (.454 vs .423) ... not "terrible" and "none".

KC Apr 25 2008 05:12 PM

Also, who would you rather have up at bat on a carpeted Astrodome like field? Bud or Jose? Christ, Jose could have an inside the park homer at a joint like that every game.

AG/DC Apr 25 2008 05:21 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 25 2008 06:26 PM

*62 wrote: He has played in two AS games but had only one (my words precisely) 'All-Star-caliber season'. Yes, I can read. And you saying something is so doesn't make it so. Two seasons like that have never happened for the Mets before. Ever.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 25 2008 05:31 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 25 2008 05:36 PM

KC wrote: Also, who would you rather have up at bat on a carpeted Astrodome like field? Bud or Jose? Christ, Jose could have an inside the park homer at a joint like that every game. I'd rather have Reyes who overall is like Hank Friggin' Aaron compared to Harrelson, when you take power into account. But those OBP numbers are what they are. If his OBP is equal to Harrelson's, well that's a bad thing. Plus, when you adjust, Reyes loses out some more because a .327 OBP had more value in Buddy's day. I love rooting for Reyes, and I believe that at 24 years, there should be significant upside here. But there's also some truth to what 62 wrote about Reyes. In many ways, Reyes hasn't lived up to the hype. On the other hand, the notion that Reyes might be costing Randolph his job is a chicken-egg sort of argument. Maybe Randolph deserves some blame for letting Reyes bat leadoff every single day in 2005 even though all signs up to that point indicated that Reyes was clueless on all matters involving strike zone judgment. Back then, he was dead in the waters once he had two strikes against him. With two strikes, he was just as likely to strike out swinging on a 50 foot curve that needed two bounces to get to the catcher as on an eye-level fast ball.

*62 Apr 25 2008 05:36 PM

I don't dislike the guy; I root for him just as hard each and every night, just as I did for far lesser players through the years ..... his learning curve, though, has been a disappointment. That's all.

KC Apr 25 2008 06:01 PM

bml: >>>If his OBP is equal to Harrelson's, well that's a bad thing<<< I'm not going to discuss it if we're not going to focus. I approximated that Bud's OBP over his first four years was .260 and *62 said somewhere that Jose's was ~ .330. It's not equal, it's not even close.

*62 Apr 25 2008 06:05 PM

Kaz Matsui ...... MLB OBP ...... .325

batmagadanleadoff Apr 25 2008 06:11 PM

KC wrote: I approximated that Bud's OBP over his first four years was .260 and *62 said somewhere that Jose's was ~ .330. It's not equal, it's not even close. OK. I didn't verify anything. I saw the figures posted and assumed they were accurate. But yeah ... I see ... one OBP is career and another OBP is a first four years figure. Gotcha. Well, I'd still rather have Reyes hitting over Buddy in The Astrodome. Snicker.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 25 2008 06:14 PM

*62 wrote: Kaz Matsui ...... MLB OBP ...... .325 He was Willie's #2 batter in 2005, whenever he was healthy, to be replaced by the equally crappy Miguel Cairo as Willie's other #2 hitter. But maybe this is fodder for that Pitchfork thread that's running simultaneously with this one.

AG/DC Apr 25 2008 06:46 PM

Comparing a full career to a guy who is not yet 25 isn't very meaningful. Harrelson's OBP through the age of 24 was .295. Slugging isn''t even worth crunching.

seawolf17 Apr 25 2008 07:15 PM

Comparing him to Harrelson, despite the team and the position, is really arbitrary. David Wright's only driven in 384 runs in his career; hell, Wayne Garrett drove in 340. The Mets have to get Wright out of there ASAP, because he's a drain on the offense. batmagadanleadoff wrote: I love rooting for Reyes, and I believe that at 24 years, there should be significant upside here. But there's also some truth to what 62 wrote about Reyes. In many ways, Reyes hasn't lived up to the hype. ="*62"]I don't dislike the guy; I root for him just as hard each and every night, just as I did for far lesser players through the years ..... his learning curve, though, has been a disappointment. That's all. I think there's a lot of merit to this. The hype made sense; if you look at baseball-reference.com, Jose's most similar batter at age 22 was Joe Morgan, which would obviously be a best-case scenario. But by age 24, he's most similar to some guy from the 1800s. But the closest modern player, by age, to Jose is Edgar Renteria. I'd be perfectly fine with somewhere between Renteria and Morgan. ="*62"]Kaz Matsui ...... MLB OBP ...... .325 Again, an arbitrary comparison. Matsui came over here as an established hitter at 28 years old. ="Zvon"]I personally don't think Reyes will be going anywhere soon, tho I do believe he needs to mature a bit more to be able to reach his true potential. In regards to the quote above, I have wondered if the contract status, or differential compared to Wright, has not affected Jose's attitude in some way. Knowing what we know about Jose's psyche, which, realistically, is very little, I think there might be some sense to this also. But you know what? HE'S 24. You have to give this guy time.

seawolf17 Apr 25 2008 07:34 PM

For what it's worth... if you compare Jeter (96-97) and Reyes' (05-06) first two full seasons, they're surprisingly close. They have a similarity score of 968 over those two years. The major discrepancies are in BA (Jeter .302-.286), SLG (Reyes .435-.417), SB (Reyes 124-37), and triples (Reyes 34-13). Everything else -- runs, hits, ABs, home runs, doubles, RBIs... within a few either way. Jeets hit into 27 DPs; Reyes 13. Jeets walked more (so his OBP is higher), but K'ed a LOT more. I'll take some combination of Jeter, Renteria, and Joe Morgan, which makes a lot more statistical sense than Bud Harrelson. But thanks for trying.

AG/DC Apr 25 2008 07:36 PM

If the Mets had a shortstop performing like Harrelson today, he'd be grossly unpopular.

*62 Apr 25 2008 07:43 PM

Maybe not if they had a team ERA of 2.60. Reyes generates far more runs than Bud but, you know, the game has changed a lot in 40 years. I swear, though, I never once saw Harrelson make a stupid play, be out of position, or look disinterested.

AG/DC Apr 25 2008 07:49 PM

Well, that's where perspective enters into it. I know the game has changed, and I stand by my statement. Fans grow frustrated and they magnify perceived moral failings of players. It happes every time. And we glorify the past when the future dries up. It happens every time.

AG/DC Apr 25 2008 07:52 PM

Reyes makes a very good play on McCann. Position, execution, intelligence, moral rectitude. The whole nine yards.

*62 Apr 25 2008 08:33 PM

AG/DC wrote: And we glorify the past when the future dries up. [url=http://www.rentafool.com/fashoo%204x5%20web.gif]No, you didn't[/url]

AG/DC Apr 25 2008 08:37 PM

Which means what?

mario25 Apr 25 2008 08:50 PM

I love Reyes but lets face the facts....He is at times the most exciting player in the game who is electric with the bat, glove and his speed. But at other times he looks lost at the plate, doesnt seem to have a grasp on the game and just going thru the motions. Unfortunately we are seeing the bad side of Reyes at the end of last year and beginning of this year. With that said when he learns this game and matures he will be fine. I can see him being an All star for the forseeable future....give it time

*62 Apr 25 2008 08:54 PM

Everything Jose has done to date has been based on raw physical ability. And when he put up a strong six months in 2006 I apologized to everyone who would listen on my own site. It was a joy. Seven months of his last nine have been either ordinary or depressing. He swung at the 1st three ptrches he saw in one AB tonight and popped up, only to be followed by Castillo, who looked at five straight pitches en route to a 7-pitch walk. And the pitcher walked three more in succession. It's a recurring theme; tired, even. Poor Jose didn't get to play with his teammates that inning, and the contrast between he and Castillo, he and DW, is stark. What has Reyes learned, as compared to DW, about "hitting"? He's regressing, and I have a personal issue with anyone who is 24, healthy, loved, talented, and immensely rich .... and still not happy. It starts at the top of the lineup for the Mets, even if it dies with Beltran and Delgado, and Jose is only starting to piss me off. Beltran had better start doing some of that baseball shit, or he's next.

*62 Apr 25 2008 08:55 PM

="AG/DC"]Which means what? Bono?

AG/DC Apr 25 2008 09:07 PM

Your argument just shifts and shifts. Find me a shortstop who is superlative every month for under $300 million and maybe we're in business. In the meantime, that article was factually wrong seven days a week and you know it.

*62 Apr 25 2008 09:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 26 2008 05:44 AM

Yeah, he does that to me. Tonight's 'ten minutes' is up. Still a good article. Tomorrow's another day. Go Mets! (and I won't even say "and take the Knicks with you")

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 25 2008 09:16 PM

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