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metirish
May 01 2008 02:38 PM



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It's a classic pops as Anna remembers Guns N' Roses, November Rain

Last week, we put out a call for big-haired classic videos, and were lucky enough to receive this as a suggestion; a true classic from the days when hair was big and ballads were bigger; when videos cost millions but were nine sodding minutes long. Therefore, as a reminder service for those who have not seen it in the 16 years since it was first released, and as a primer for those who have never seen it at all (is that possible?) we will dissect November Rain minute by mindblowing minute.

Minute one: In a darkened bedroom, Axl Rose, lead singer of the enormous Guns N' Roses, is taking tablets.



Sleeping tablets, we imagine, but we don't know how many. We could therefore assume that everything following this is either a drug-induced dream or a memory of events that might have led up to a sleepless/possibly suicidal state. We cut to a large G N' R concert filled with screaming fans, and then, in contrast, to Axl playing the piano alone in a deserted chapel and, for some reason, a desert.

Minute two: Axl tosses and turns in the large lonely bed. We cut to a cathedral, with cute flowergirls throwing rose petals and a statue of the crucified Christ that appears to be weeping blood. Down the aisle walks a beautiful bride who, though she has remembered her corset and train, seems to have succumbed to general memory failure when it came to the lower half of her dress.



Minute three: While the ceremony goes on, we see the happy couple in more relaxed circumstances, sitting in a bar, drinking, laughing, and smoking.



Which will kill you, let's not forget. Smoking, I mean. Laughing's alright.

The woman in the video, we should note, is Axl Rose's girlfriend of the time, Stephanie Seymour, who was hot.

Minute four: After a brief moment of comedy relief when Slash, cigarette hanging out of his mop of hair in that same way that always made you wonder why he didn't set himself on fire, loses the rings, then finds them - the ceremony is completed, and Axl kisses the bride.



Minute five: Is mainly taken up with Slash being a rock god. For those readers who are unfamiliar with this song - which is possibly a criminal act, may I add - you know when Regina Spektor sings "The solo's real long, but it's a pretty song" in On the Radio? This is the solo she means.

A helicopter flies around Slash, giving us rockgodness from all angles, although possibly putting his cigarette out in the process, which is not a bad thing, as it will kill you.
Smoking, I mean, not guitar solos. Although if any guitar solo could kill, it would be this one. You can tell Slash is a rock god because his stance is so wide he is almost doing the splits.



Minute six: With the wedding ceremony over, the bride and groom leave the church. The bride looks inexplicably sad. Slash is still playing his solo, legs akimbo. These two facts may or may not be connected. Elsewhere, apparently in the wild west, Axl Rose walks past a shop selling "guns", looking moody.



As there is no shop next door selling "Nroses", we can safely assume this to be ominous foreshadowing of events to come. Remember this bit, we might have a quiz later.

Minute seven already! And we are at the reception, which looks like a marvellous bash. The bride and groom cut the cake with what looks a bit like a spatula, Axl feeding his bride from the business end - the "spatul", I think it's called - while they are watched by one of the midget waiters that the band have hired in especially to make Axl feel not quite as tiny next to his new supermodel wife.



Everyone dances, drinks, and has a jolly good time.

Suddenly: disaster! Though the outside reception was looking all lovely and sunny, out of nowhere, and spotted first by Slash and one of the midgets, it starts to rain.



Though it would appear to be just normal rain, people react as if it were the purest hydrochloric acid: they run, they scream, and things are knocked over (ominously) ...



... and, in The Best Moment In The Entire Video (officially. Well I say so), someone tries to escape the sudden shower by - I can barely say it out loud, it's so great - leaping face forward through the cake.



I KNOW! How ace is THAT?!

We have no time to enjoy it, however, as, coming into minute eight we find ourselves at a funeral. It is the bride!



She's dead! Sweet child o' mine, was it the rain that did it? Was she, in fact, soluble? Apparently not. The fact that there is a mirror in the coffin, we learn, suggests that it was a terrible, violent death, as this is what they do for dead people when they are missing half a face but still want to have an open casket. Euw.

It's very sad. The same cathedral that witnessed happy nuptials now resonates with weeping rock icons. Including, weirdly, John Denver.




Oh, no, that's Axl Rose. He's very sad. The action moves to the graveside, this time without Axl (apparently due to the fact that he didn't show up for the video shoot that day, rather than any plot-driven reason) but we see him later on. In the ninth minute, in a triumph of symbolism, the bride throws her bouquet in bright sunlight, and as it passes through the air, the white roses turn pink, then red, then land on her grave in the dark and the rain.



This is mightily cool. And that is it. Axl has a bit of a cry, the song performance in the theatre, that we haven't mentioned much because it is comparatively dull, ends and then the video does too. We all burst into spontaneous applause.

Although the video - still, apparently, the 13th most expensive ever made, and head and shoulders above most offerings in terms of cinematography - is ostensibly based on a short story by Del James called Without You, it is really just a retelling of that age-old tale: boy meets girl; boy marries girl; reception gets rained on; girl gets shot in the face.

But my GOD it's bombastic. They just don't make 'em like this any more. But then, they don't really make rock ballads any more. Perhaps when new album Chinese Democracy finally surfaces (it's been 15 years in the making so far. Dr Pepper have promised a free drink to every single person in the USA if it actually gets released this year; I will match that with a can of Irn Bru for everyone in this office) those times will come again. But I doubt it.



http://music.guardian.co.uk/pickardofthepops/page/0,,2277192,00.html

AG/DC
May 01 2008 03:01 PM

Two things they fail to mention:

(1) Mr. Face-Plant-in-the-Cake is Ricky Ratchman, who parlayed his Axl-hanger-on livestyle into a job as an MTV VJ and that strange cake cameo.

(2) Slash has three solos. He has to say good-bye to everyone at the alter in order to leave the church early to play one. It's insane.

It's all insane.

metirish
May 01 2008 04:28 PM

Good call on Ricky , a fun article I thought.

Triple Dee
May 01 2008 08:07 PM

The video clip to November Rain has issues, but Estranged is an incoherent mess beyond interpretation (esp the last 3 mins). This however, doesn't detract from it being one of the best rock songs ever written (imo).

Batty31
May 01 2008 08:17 PM

="AG/DC"]Two things they fail to mention:

(1) Mr. Face-Plant-in-the-Cake is Ricky Ratchman, who parlayed his Axl-hanger-on livestyle into a job as an MTV VJ and that strange cake cameo.

(2) Slash has three solos. He has to say good-bye to everyone at the alter in order to leave the church early to play one. It's insane.

It's all insane.


You mean Riki Rachtman? :P Maybe they were trying to forget him, like most of us. Him and and ex of mine had some kind of beef going between each other...they did not get along.

I love this video...never get sick of it. Or Slash's solos. Thanks for posting, irish.

metirish
May 01 2008 08:31 PM

Maybe the person who wrote this is a Brit, it's from a Brit paper ,if so like me she would not have seen RR on MTV , IIRC he was not on MTV Europe , a lot of the Americn MTV shows were shown there but with Euro trash hosts.

Triple Dee
May 01 2008 09:20 PM

metirish wrote:
Maybe the person who wrote this is a Brit, it's from a Brit paper


The person who wrote this article seems to have plagiarized most of it from the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_Rain]November Rain[/url] wikipedia article. That's pretty pathetic on the Guardian's part.

Number 6
May 01 2008 11:00 PM

When November Rain was released, I thought it was fantastic. Now, I think it's possibly the most pretentious and overblown song I've ever heard. An opus written by a band utterly in love with itself and its success.

Not that anyone asked me, but y'know, here it is, the internet, and I'm opinioning.

metirish
May 02 2008 07:07 AM

Good call 3D and that's pretty funny Number 6.


Axl does look like John Denver ,yes?

AG/DC
May 02 2008 07:24 AM

I 'm going to confess I came around to Number 6's position about 90 seconds into the first time I saw the video. You can throw all the production money at a video you want, but that's not going to make your power ballad into "Stairway." You've got to road-test it and let the legend build or not. That's the risk.

Will any band ever again ride the road from impress to success to excess to ugly dress to regress to bad press to digress to convalesce so quickly and so spectacularly? An entire generation has gone from being a kid just discovering music to being too old to go to shows while that stupid album has been in the can.

metirish
May 02 2008 07:35 AM

Axl's obsession at what Slash called becoming the next Elton John helped cause the downfall of GNR .


I agree with D ,Estranged is the better song.

seawolf17
May 02 2008 07:46 AM

From their inception, GNR has really been one of the most interesting bands out there. They released maybe the best hard rock record ever, and then completely imploded. The story's so convoluted, with so many versions of the truth out there, that the output will never match the legend. One huge hit record, an EP, a double-double-disc set, a pathetic covers album, a two-disc live set, and a greatest hits. That's it. Hardly HoF-worthy output, but you can't dispute their place in rock history, and you can't dispute the fact that a reunited GNR (Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff, and either drummer) would sell out soccer stadiums across the world.

November Rain is still one of my favorite songs of all time.

Willets Point
May 02 2008 11:27 AM

]For those readers who are unfamiliar with this song - which is possibly a criminal act, may I add - you know when Regina Spektor sings "The solo's real long, but it's a pretty song" in On the Radio? This is the solo she means.


This is me, I'm guilty of this crime. I had no idea what song Spektor is referring to until now. And I still haven't found time to sit through it's extraordinary length.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 02 2008 12:37 PM

Number 6 wrote:
When November Rain was released, I thought it was fantastic. Now, I think it's possibly the most pretentious and overblown song I've ever heard. An opus written by a band utterly in love with itself and its success.

Not that anyone asked me, but y'know, here it is, the internet, and I'm opinioning.


What I recall about that was Axl Rose telling Rolling Stone in an interview that he'd written a song called November Rain and that if "wasn't recorded right, he'd retire." I was well over them by the time it finally came out.

Soewhere in the bound copies of my kollege newspaper is my review of "Appetite" -- taken from a cassette version with the original sexist cover art -- welcoming the record as the rawest and realest of the fake 80s metal revolution. Nirvana gets credit for killing hairmetal dead but Appetite dealt it a deadly blow, years ahead.

metirish
May 02 2008 12:45 PM

IMO the riff to Welcome to the jungle is the best opening ever to an album........it just rips......saw them at Slane Castle in 1991/2 and they rocked , especially Slash....


Terrible audio but somewhere in that crowd up front is a 19 year old me.....fuck yeah.....



better audio




Memories....

AG/DC
May 02 2008 12:54 PM

That second clip is confusing. It's like they fired the guitarists and Axl had some calypso players backing him on "Knocking on Heaven's Door."

seawolf17
May 02 2008 01:29 PM

That's pretty much the way they've played "Knockin'" live forever.

GNR was, and is, hair metal. Just because they didn't wear makeup doesn't mean they weren't part of that scene. They can distance themselves from Motley Crue and Poison all they want, but they're all in the same boat.

AG/DC
May 02 2008 01:31 PM

Well, I know they do it with the reggae upbeat going, but didn't realize that they hired Van Morrison's keyboardist and let him dominate the mix while the guitars were all turned practially off.

Heck, maybe it's my speakers.

Triple Dee
May 03 2008 03:08 AM

="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]
What I recall about that was Axl Rose telling Rolling Stone in an interview that he'd written a song called November Rain and that if "wasn't recorded right, he'd retire."


I don't consider myself qualified to give an objective opinion on November Rain because the song has symbolic meaning to me, but for a song that took 10 years to write, I can certainly understand why people would think it's overrated.

I think one reason why it has aged so poorly is that the backing vocals make it sound too soppy. When it is performed live, it has more venom and the lack of backing vocals brings it more in-line with a classic rock ballad.

Elster88
May 05 2008 08:25 PM

Fer cripes sake. Would all of you old men go back to pontificating on Steely Dan and ELO? :-)

Elster88
May 05 2008 08:28 PM

seawolf17 wrote:
GNR was, and is, hair metal. Just because they didn't wear makeup doesn't mean they weren't part of that scene. They can distance themselves from Motley Crue and Poison all they want, but they're all in the same boat.


Please tell me you're kidding??? Please? I thought you were on my side. How can you possible go from "Appetite is possibly the greatest hard metal album of all time" to "they're in the same boat as Crue and Poison"???

AG/DC
May 05 2008 09:10 PM

They may be far better than their genre-mates but that doesn't disqualify them from the tag.

List "hair metal" as a genre characterized by an affectative attention to hairstyle and fashion that attempted to straddle the line between effete and rebelliously bad-ass, and they just can't be ignored.

TransMonk
May 05 2008 09:38 PM

I wouldn't go quite as far as cornering them with Poison and Crue, but I'd agree that GNR is hair-metal. Axl's "Welcome to the Jungle" hair-do sealed that for them.

AG/DC
May 05 2008 09:43 PM

Oh, at that point, I'd tag Adler as the worst offender.

Frayed Knot
May 05 2008 09:58 PM

Strange sensations coming over me
Something I can't explain
Suddenly there's an endless void where I used to keep my brain
I gotta see a doctor, but I'm too wasted to phone one
I wanna customize my van and I don't even own one

Metal head, I'm a metal head and I wanna rock and roll

I get up in the morning and I wanna shave my chest,
Get myself a skull tattoo, wear a denim vest
My friends are getting worried they don't know me anymore
I smash my head against the wall I don't even know what for

Metal head, I'm a metal head and I wanna rock and roll

When I go to a rock show I wanna raise my fist
Show my band of leather and the spikes around my wrist
I've got my Harley T-shirt, my wine skin and a six pack,
Some homegrown for the ride back home, Van Halen on the 8-track

Metal head, I'm a metal head and I wanna rock and roll


-- Blotto

HahnSolo
May 06 2008 10:30 AM

I don't know whether it's appropriate to the discussion, but me, the wife, and the wedding party entered our reception to 'Welcome to the Jungle.'

AG/DC
May 06 2008 10:34 AM

You're gonna DIE!

Sniff. So sweet.