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IGT 5/13/2008 Nats at Mets

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 04:13 PM

Nats Lopez 2B Guzman SS Zimmerman 3B Johnson 1B Milledge CF Kearns RF Dukes LF Nieves C Lannan SP Mets Reyes SS Church RF Wright 3B Beltran CF Alou LF Delgado 1B Easley 2B Schneider C Maine SP One another board I suggested that something the Mets really could use this year is a nice win streak, or a stretch where they run off 20 out of 25 or something. Well, no better time than...

Benjamin Grimm May 13 2008 04:14 PM Re: IGT 5/13/2008 Nats at Mets

SteveJRogers wrote: On another board I suggested that something the Mets really could use this year is a nice win streak, or a stretch where they run off 20 out of 25 or something. How come you don't share that kind of keen insight with us?

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 04:15 PM Re: IGT 5/13/2008 Nats at Mets

Benjamin Grimm wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]On another board I suggested that something the Mets really could use this year is a nice win streak, or a stretch where they run off 20 out of 25 or something. How come you don't share that kind of keen insight with us? Because I'd get flammed for being too pessimistic. I ended that post feeling that the Mets probably don't have it in them this year.

Elster88 May 13 2008 04:20 PM

Keep it on the other board then. If you're not going to say it here, why even bring it up?

Frayed Knot May 13 2008 05:12 PM

Maine plunks first batter with first pitch. Payback for last night cheerleading session no doubt.

Frayed Knot May 13 2008 05:19 PM

"Because I'd get flammed for being too pessimistic" When talking about the suggestion that this (or any) team could benefit from a 20 of 25 streak I don't think "pessimistic" is the phrase you're looking for. Seems to me that "absurdly obvious" works better.

Edgy DC May 13 2008 05:23 PM

Seems to me that by saying the "I said this on another board," you are saying it here.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 05:26 PM

="Frayed Knot"]"Because I'd get flammed for being too pessimistic" When talking about the suggestion that this (or any) team could benefit from a 20 of 25 streak I don't think "pessimistic" is the phrase you're looking for. Seems to me that "absurdly obvious" works better. No, the fact that I ended that post by saying that I don't see this team pulling that off at all this year would have been overly pessimistic. In any event, Wright extends his hit streak, but Mets strand him.

Frayed Knot May 13 2008 05:31 PM

Predicting that a team will NOT pull off a 20 or 25 (or such similar streak) is not exactly going out on a limb. We now return you to your regular game already in progress.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 05:36 PM

Speaking of absurdly obvious, a DP would be nice right here.

AG/DC May 13 2008 05:39 PM

The old 6-5 works.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 05:40 PM

AG/DC wrote: The old 6-5 works. That IS one way of doing it!

AG/DC May 13 2008 05:42 PM

Washington Post says waaah: With the Trash Flying, Nats Take Out Mets Nationals 10, Mets 4 NEW YORK, May 12 -- Shea Stadium, decrepit and months from demolition, deserved a game like this one -- filled with both trash and trash talk. Shea's walkways around the visitor's clubhouse are a dump of discarded energy drinks and tangled extension cords. On Monday, a 20-mph wind ripped in from the outfield, at one point causing a garbage bag to tumble-weed across the infield. In a strange way, though, the Washington Nationals used those aesthetics -- on a night when the game itself resembled the setting -- to remedy one of their most miserable stretches of the season. The Nationals defeated New York, 10-4, in large part because the Mets' sloppiness exceeded their own. Two Mets errors led to two Nationals unearned runs. New York starting pitcher Nelson Figueroa, over five innings and 108 pitches, walked five batters and hit two more. And even after exiting the game, Figueroa decided to attempt a few more shots, upset about what he felt was exaggerated cheering from the Nationals' dugout. "They were cheerleading in the dugout like a bunch of softball girls," Figueroa said. "I'm a professional just like anybody else. I take huge offense to that. If that's what a last-place team needs to do to fire themselves up, so be it. They could show a little more class, a little more professionalism now that they won tonight, but in the long run, they're still who they are." The belabored play-by-play that filled this game's 3 hours 15 minutes explained part of Figueroa's postgame disposition. Most of his time on the mound was serenaded by the jeering of 45,321. The Mets right-hander allowed three hits to Washington pitcher Odalis Pérez and a decisive sixth-inning two-run double to Lastings Milledge, who broke from what Manager Manny Acta called "a tailspin." The Nationals had arrived in New York needing any sort of win, in-artful or not. Since May 4, they had dropped from four games out of first to a season-high 8 1/2 . In the weekend series against the Marlins, they got blown out and got their hearts broken. And the only thing worse than extending a losing streak is doing so at Shea on a night when the temperature fell well below 50 degrees. So the Nationals found an unlikely formula to avoid such misery, and it included both a starting pitcher, Pérez, who had earned his last win since Aug. 18, and a reserve outfielder, Elijah Dukes, who decided around the third inning to start some clapping from his dugout seat. "Just changing the feeling in the clubhouse," Dukes said. "It was funny, though. Kind of softballish." "What [were] we going to do?" Milledge said. "We're not going to cater to anybody on the opposition. We're not going to cater to him or anybody else. We've been down the last couple days. We got to get something going." Pérez took care of things on his end, too, surviving 6 1/3 innings filled with 11 hits, two of them home runs. This season, the left-hander had gained a reputation for reliability, with a 3.43 ERA. But he'd also found a penchant for no-decisions. In his last four starts, he'd departed games with scores of 1-1, 3-2, 2-2 and 3-3. Bloody hell. Energy bar wrappers. Oh, the humanity.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 05:50 PM

Mets draw first blood. 1-0 in the second after a Schneider infield hit. OE: From one SS who replaced a World Series champion to another! <--

AG/DC May 13 2008 05:58 PM

Schneider brought the run home on a groundout. The two infield hits in the rally were Alou to the shortstop and Delgado bunting.

bmfc1 May 13 2008 05:59 PM

Thanks Damion.

KC May 13 2008 06:00 PM

That Ryan Zimmerman is a pain in the ass.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 06:02 PM

KC wrote: That Ryan Zimmerman is a pain in the ass. Thought this was going to be re-arranging the sock drawer night?

bmfc1 May 13 2008 06:07 PM

Churchy for the All-Star Game!

Elster88 May 13 2008 06:07 PM

We robbed the Nats in that Ryan Church deal.

Elster88 May 13 2008 06:08 PM

I am normally dead-set against the kind of comment I'm about to make: After the Church home run they went to the dugout camera...and there was no excitement at all.

KC May 13 2008 06:08 PM

*** throws sneaker at Rogers ***

bmfc1 May 13 2008 06:08 PM

On MASN, some bimbo is interviewing the Nationals pitcher's HS coach... during this time--HR and double. Keep the interview going!

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 06:09 PM

***Hurls bunch of office supplies at KC***

KC May 13 2008 06:10 PM

E88: >>>dugout camera...and there was no excitement at all<<< That was kinda weird, I wonder what Reyes said to Delgado (I think) almost kinda emphatically or something -- I don't know if that's the word I'm looking for exactly -- almost like I told you so or something.

Elster88 May 13 2008 06:14 PM

I like HoJo's mustache.

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2008 06:18 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: OE: From one SS who replaced a World Series champion to another! What does "OE" mean?

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 06:19 PM

batmagadanleadoff wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]OE: From one SS who replaced a World Series champion to another! What does "OE" mean? On Edit. After my post I saw that I had moved from Kevin Elster to Frank Taveras, and rather than making a brand new post noting that neat little item, I went back and added it to the post.

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2008 06:23 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: ="batmagadanleadoff"]What does "OE" mean? On Edit. After my post I saw that I had moved from Kevin Elster to Frank Taveras, and rather than making a brand new post noting that neat little item, I went back and added it to the post. Thanks. SteveJRogers wrote: Mets draw first blood. 1-0 in the second after a Schneider infield hit. OE: From one SS who replaced a World Series champion to another! <-- So what does that mean? The part about the shortstops?

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 06:26 PM

[url=http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=268]Everything you wanted to know about all 500+ different posting levels here at The Cranepool Forum.[/url] I went from the posting level that Elster (who replaced 1986's Rafael Santana) to that of Taveras (who replaced 1969's Bud Harrelson)

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 06:26 PM

And the arrow was letting the reader know I was referring to the posting level.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 06:36 PM

Mets have wasted a couple of good chances this game. One would have thought the Mets would be stomping a mudhole in the Nats after last night, other than that first pitch it seems like last night didn't happen. 2-2 as we are in the bottom of the 5th

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2008 06:39 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: I went from the posting level that Elster (who replaced 1986's Rafael Santana) to that of Taveras (who replaced 1969's Bud Harrelson).... And the arrow was letting the reader know I was referring to the posting level. I see. I'm Tom Sturdivant. Or I should say: Tom Sturdivant <--- He was once a World Champion, too. He was one of baseball's best pitchers during the '56 & '57 seasons, but more so in 1956. He was a Met for three weeks in 1964 and pitched a few scorelesss innings in the famous Mets-Giants marathon extra inning game that featured a triple play against the Mets. Like too many of Casey's other players, the Mets would be the last Major League team Sturdivant would ever play for. Those Mets had a real niche for acquiring players on their very last legs.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 06:40 PM

batmagadanleadoff wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]I went from the posting level that Elster (who replaced 1986's Rafael Santana) to that of Taveras (who replaced 1969's Bud Harrelson).... And the arrow was letting the reader know I was referring to the posting level. I see. I'm Tom Sturdivant. Or I should say: Tom Sturdivant <--- He was once a World Champion, too. He was one of baseball's best pitchers during the '56 & '57 seasons, but more so in 1956. He was a Met for three weeks in 1964 and pitched a few scorelesss innings in the famous Mets-Giants marathon extra inning game that featured a triple play against the Mets. Like too many of Casey's other players, the Mets would be the last Major League team Sturdivant would ever play for. Those Mets had a real niche for acquiring players on their very last legs. Indeed. Not a fan of The Old Perfessor are we Mags?

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 06:43 PM

Milledge with a nifty catch.

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2008 06:44 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: One would have thought the Mets would be stomping a mudhole in the Nats after last night.... Yeah. Cause all it takes for a team to stomp up the other team is them wanting to stomp the other team up. That's it. All they gotta do is wanna stomp up the other team. The other team never has any say-so in whether they're gonna get stomped up into a mudhole. Once the Mets figure this out, I bet they could go like 162-0 or something.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 06:47 PM

batmagadanleadoff wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]One would have thought the Mets would be stomping a mudhole in the Nats after last night.... Yeah. Cause all it takes for a team to stomp up the other team is them wanting to stomp the other team up. That's it. All they gotta do is wanna stomp up the other team. The other team never has any say-so in whether they're gonna get stomped up into a mudhole. Once the Mets figure this out, I bet they could go like 162-0 or something. So it all really was Glavine's fault 9/27/2007? The Marlins being super pysched to destroy the Mets had NOTHING to do with how they came out like gangbusters that first inning, snuffing out any chance of the Mets doing anything that afternoon? No that was 100% Glavine wetting the bed huh?

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 06:52 PM

Lets go over the details: The Mets go into tonight with A) Their #2 starter going, who has been pitching very well this month B) Anger because of the mudhole that got stomped into them last night, plus the antics of the Nats bench last night and C) The fact that on paper the Mets should wipe the floor with the Nats, and all things being equal, the vaunted Met offense should be feasting on the young Lannan. Therefore, yes, the recipie was there for a good old fashioned orange and blue ass whupping tonight.

Grote15 May 13 2008 06:55 PM

Elster88 wrote: I like HoJo's mustache. So does Piazza..not that there's anything wrong with it

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2008 07:00 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: So it all really was Glavine's fault 9/27/2007? The Marlins being super pysched to destroy the Mets had NOTHING to do with how they came out like gangbusters that first inning, snuffing out any chance of the Mets doing anything that afternoon? [sarcasm] No. It was mostly all the Mets fault because they didn't want to win that game. In fact, before that game, the Mets voted in secrecy to allow the Marlins to stomp them into a mudhole. If you could replay that same game under the same conditions 1,000 times, the Marlins would stomp the Mets into the mudhole 1,000 more times. All because the Marlins wanted to. Wanna know why the '62 Mets lost 120 games? Because they wanted to. Figgy in AAA? He wants to be there.[/sarcasm]

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 07:05 PM

So all this "Well they wanted it more" that we hear from all athletes explaining tough losses is just BS huh? Okay I get that you can't play the games if you aren't up, but lets not act like emotion doesn't play SOME part in a team winning and loosing. Hell, thats why there are threads about the effects of booing on players.

Grote15 May 13 2008 07:05 PM

Ryan Church is working his way onto the allstar team.

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2008 07:06 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: So all this "Well they wanted it more" that we hear from all athletes explaining tough losses is just BS huh? Uhh .... yeah.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 07:06 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 13 2008 07:09 PM

Now that is a lucky break! 4-2 Mets

Frayed Knot May 13 2008 07:06 PM

Reyes seems like he's in one of those modes again where he decides beforehand whether he's going to swing at the pitch or not. As a result, he's letting a lot of hitters' pitches go by on counts where he should be agressive and, instead, swinging at the pitcher's pitch too often. That's the '06 and prior Jose.

AG/DC May 13 2008 07:07 PM

That's what I'm talking about.

AG/DC May 13 2008 07:08 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: Now that is a lucky break! 4-3 Mets Or 4-2.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 07:15 PM

AG/DC wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]Now that is a lucky break! 4-3 Mets Or 4-2. Well, NOW its 4-3

AG/DC May 13 2008 07:18 PM

Twelve hits and I'm looking for more than four runs.

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2008 07:20 PM

Grote15 wrote: Ryan Church is working his way onto the allstar team. The way Met fans have voted recently, so is Reyes.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 07:21 PM

="batmagadanleadoff"] ="Grote15"]Ryan Church is working his way onto the allstar team. The way the Internet and other fans that don't follow the sport closely day-in and day-out vote, so is Reyes. Fixed.

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2008 07:25 PM

="SteveJRogers"] ="SteveJRogers misquoting batmagadanleadoff"] ="Grote15"]Ryan Church is working his way onto the allstar team. The way the Internet and other fans that don't follow the sport closely day-in and day-out vote, so is Reyes. Fixed. No. I wouldn't have ever written that. For starters, the internet doesn't vote.

Frayed Knot May 13 2008 07:25 PM

This IGT may set a record for the most off-topic discussions contained within. Meanwhile Willie opts for Duaner over Heilman and is rewarded with a leadoff walk. Arrggh!

AG/DC May 13 2008 07:26 PM

Moises still in left in a one-run game in the eighth.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 07:26 PM

="batmagadanleadoff"] ="SteveJRogers"] ="SteveJRogers misquoting batmagadanleadoff"] ="Grote15"]Ryan Church is working his way onto the allstar team. The way the Internet and other fans that don't follow the sport closely day-in and day-out vote, so is Reyes. Fixed. No. I wouldn't have ever written that. For starters, the internet doesn't vote. Oh really? So what the heck is that thing on MLB.com where you can vote for the All Star Game starters?

AG/DC May 13 2008 07:28 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: This IGT may set a record for the most off-topic discussions contained within. Steve needs to use his blog.

Frayed Knot May 13 2008 07:29 PM

AG/DC wrote: Moises still in left in a one-run game in the eighth. Probably won't bat in the 8th, but could very well be needed in the 9th.

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2008 07:32 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: Oh really? So what the heck is that thing on MLB.com where you can vote for the All Star Game starters? Sigh. It's like that saying that goes: "Guns don't kill. People do". So ... Fans are to the Internet as People are to Guns. Or if you prefer this post in SAT style: Fans:Internet People:Guns or Fans:Internet:Vote People:Guns:Kill

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 07:33 PM

1 for 10 with RISP. This has been the story just about all year. Lack of a killer instinct. Yes Mags, there is such a thing as a killer instinct in sports. In any event, the Mets just don't seem to have it yet this season.

AG/DC May 13 2008 07:34 PM

Looks like no. Hopefully the flu hasn't disabled Endy.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 07:35 PM

YOU know I meant fans voting ON the internet. What are you some kind of College English professor or something?

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2008 07:36 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: 1 for 10 with RISP. This has been the story just about all year. Lack of a killer instinct. Yes Mags, there is such a thing as a killer instinct in sports. In any event, the Mets just don't seem to have it yet this season. I would say that that's also bullshit. The part about not hitting with men in RISP. Just say the Mets aren't hitting and leave it at that. Because the Mets aren't hitting.

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2008 07:39 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: 1 for 10 with RISP. This has been the story just about all year. Lack of a killer instinct. Yes Mags, there is such a thing as a killer instinct in sports. In any event, the Mets just don't seem to have it yet this season. So why bother with stats? Why don't teams just send all the prospects to the cardiologist to have their hearts measured?

Frayed Knot May 13 2008 07:40 PM

AG/DC wrote: Looks like no. Hopefully the flu hasn't disabled Endy. I'm just not sure I'd want to pull Alou so early in a 1-run game. HIs bat may come in handy more than Endy's glove. Plus we're short on the bench (Castillo). Now seeing as how we made it (barely) through the 8th unscathed I'd go to Endy in top-9

AG/DC May 13 2008 07:40 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: YOU know I meant fans voting ON the internet. What are you some kind of College English professor or something? I had written the same thing as Mags, then erased it. There's this gamey thing going on.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 07:41 PM

Insurance run! Good, lets get to Sandman Time!

AG/DC May 13 2008 07:42 PM

Everybody clap for Milledge.

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2008 07:43 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: 1 for 10 with RISP. This has been the story just about all year. Lack of a killer instinct. The Mets would be better off if a lot of their doubles and triples were singles, instead. Or outs. Then they'd have a better % of baserunners driven in from scoring position.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 07:44 PM

The Mets right now are on Pace to do some more more damage here in this inning, with RISP.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 07:46 PM

HA, essentially Rose just called Hanrahan Steve Traschel! Nice job getting another run, but Jose Reyes makes a baserunning error.

AG/DC May 13 2008 07:47 PM

No he didn't. His criticism was as much about his wildness as about his slow-workingness. More, maybe.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 07:50 PM

Sleep with one eye open...

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2008 07:51 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: YOU know I meant fans voting ON the internet. What are you some kind of College English professor or something? I would ordinarily give you the benefit of the doubt. However, you wrote that thing and attributed it to me. Also, I am no longer Tom Sturdivant. Tom Sturdivant <---

Frayed Knot May 13 2008 07:53 PM

You can still Sturdivant if you want to (inside joke from before your time here)

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 07:54 PM

batmagadanleadoff wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]YOU know I meant fans voting ON the internet. What are you some kind of College English professor or something? I would ordinarily give you the benefit of the doubt. However, you wrote that thing and attributed it to me. Also, I am no longer Tom Sturdivant. Tom Sturdivant <--- Its called a joke, quoting, highlighting the changed text and saying Fixed. In any event, 2 more outs to books time. Golden oppertunity for the Mets to turn over a new leaf with a win here.

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 07:54 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 13 2008 07:55 PM

Aaron Bleeping Boone! I wonder if Sox fans still refer to him as that though? In any event, lets get this one over Wags!

Frayed Knot May 13 2008 07:55 PM

Would you two get a room!

SteveJRogers May 13 2008 07:57 PM

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2008 08:17 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: Its called a joke.... I know. I was joking, too.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 13 2008 08:24 PM

Funniest IGT ever, guys. Sorry I missed it!

Gwreck May 13 2008 09:03 PM

Some actual notes about the game played tonight: Loved the Delgado bunt. Of course, he squared and pulled back after the first pitch was a strike...and they still didn't take the shift off. Good for Delgado. Was listening to the post-game press conference on Mets Extra and Willie confirmed that 1. Delgado did it on his own and -- in Willie's words -- 2. "He probably should've been doing that a long time ago." Church is an absolute stud. Inspired choice by the in-game music people, too to use "Modern Love" after a big hit by Church. (I also very much like the choice of the X version of "Wild Thing" for Duaner). I might've used Endy to pinch-run for Schneider in the bottom of the 8th, but he did score form second on Reyes' single, so I guess it didn't hurt us to not put the PR in. Loved Maine's effort tonight (retiring 10 in a row after the homer) but I'd like him to finish off the hitters a little faster. 18 of his 108 pitches tonight were foul-offs when Maine already had 2 strikes on the hitter. Quiet crowd and a bit chilly but fun game. Makes me want to go tomorrow night too.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 13 2008 09:06 PM

I have to say, Maine pitching well is about the most encouraging thing that could be happening now. I was convinced this spring he'd have a monster year and he still just might.

AG/DC May 13 2008 09:30 PM

His effort in game 161 should not be forgot. It was a statement. One the team still has to answer.

Elster88 May 13 2008 09:36 PM

I would love for some starters to go more than 6 innings.

Frayed Knot May 14 2008 07:09 AM

So would I, although PH-ing for Maine at that point was definitely the right move and Tatis's hit was a big part of the winning rally.