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IGT 5-14-08 Nats at Mets

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 04:57 PM

Nats Lopez 2B Guzman SS Zimmerman 3B Boone 1B Kearns RF Dukes CF Pena LF Flores C Redding SP Mets Reyes SS Church RF Wright 3B Beltran CF Alou LF Delgado 1B Schneider C Easley 2B Vargas P Sticking with the hot hand... RIGHT NOW!

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 05:16 PM

Lopez gets a leadoff double for the first hit off of Vargas. Guzman pops up to Alou

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 05:22 PM

And Lopez is left stranded.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 05:35 PM

Good one-two-three second frame to add to stranding the leadoff hitter in the first.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 05:42 PM

Looks like I'm all alone here tonight. Heh, maybe I should log on as mlbaseballtalk and have a conversation with myself... Yeah, that would be idiotic! End of two, no score. Redding pitching a perfect game.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 05:45 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 14 2008 05:52 PM

Vargas is Traschel like apparantly, according to Hagin. Walked the leadoff man in the third. This can't be good. But Reyes gets a nice grab of Delgado's throw to erase Flores! Lopez is 5 for 9 with a few homers against Vargas BTW, Hagin says that it is good that the lead runner was erased. However a wild pitch AFTER he says it moves Redding to 2nd! AND Lopez walks. Hagin suggests that Vargas wanted to walk him because of Lopez's numbers. Alou gets a decent grab of a Guzman fly. Zimmerman up with 2 on, 2 outs. Zim bounces to a FC, Reyes to Easley.

DocTee May 14 2008 05:48 PM

Meaning? Deliberate I assume?

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 05:53 PM

DocTee wrote: Meaning? Deliberate I assume? Just slow, they didn't use Traschel's name, they just said he works slowly.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 05:59 PM

*sigh* NO HITTER NO HITTER NO HITTER NO HITTER NO HITTER Hey Irish, you wanna chime in here?

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 06:07 PM

Howie is wrong on the "unofficial" title that DiMaggio held. He was voted that "award" in 1969 (my guess you could only vote for retired players) during MLB's centennial celebration. He then took it too his grave because he HAD to be introduced for the rest of his life as "The greatest living player" despite whatever Mays, Aaron, etc did during the rest of his lifetime. So it really was an "official" title.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 06:22 PM

Still scoreless through 4 Going to the NYTimes Archives and a Leonard Koppett article on the BBWAA Baseball Centennial Award event 7/20/1969: Ruth and John McGraw voted greatest player & mgr DiMaggio and Stengel got the living versions Gehrig, Hornsby, Pie Traynor, Wagner in the infield Cobb joins Ruth and DiMaggio in the outfield Mickey Cochrane behind the plate Big Train and Lefty Grove as your top pitchers George Sisler and Musial tied for 1B for the living category Gehringer and Cronin at 2nd and SS, and Traynor was living at the time. DiMaggio was joined by Ted Williams and Willie Mays (only active player) in the outfield, Bill Dickey behind the plate, and Bob Feller along with a still living Grove. Musial, Mays and Feller are the only ones still living nearly 40 years later now. Mays was actually the only active player in the running for the greatest team lineup according to this article!

Valadius May 14 2008 06:37 PM

KABOOM for Schneider! 1-0 Mets.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 06:39 PM

Alou thrown out, not really for arguing, but probably muttered a flagged word as he stormed back to the dugout.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 06:43 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: Alou thrown out, not really for arguing, but probably muttered a flagged word as he stormed back to the dugout. That allowed Hagin to play the "truism" card essentially telling the audience to watch Alou's replacement factor in the winning play, doesn't that always seem to happen, and that baseball is funny that way. Yeah, like the player making the defensive gem to end one frame will end up leading off the next, and so many other truisms that always seem to be played up by announcers.

AG/DC May 14 2008 06:48 PM

That's two nights in a row Delgado's saved some Met skin by digging a DP relay out of the dirt.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 06:49 PM

Ryan Zimmerman makes it a whole new ballgame. Making that DP so much important now.

DocTee May 14 2008 06:51 PM

This is more like an IG Monologue. Soldier on, Steve!

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 06:51 PM

Inning ends with no extra damage. 1-1 through 5 and a half.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 06:57 PM

According to Hagin, Ryan Church's brother is heading off to Iraq for a tour. Missed which armed forces Church's brother is in. OE: Sasser, Phillips, Hodges. Quite a threesome of catchers to go through in posting levels! <---

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 07:00 PM

Vargas still going in the 7th, Heilman is warming up in the pen

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 07:04 PM

And Vargas departs to a nice hand. Like Figueroa before him last month.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 07:10 PM

DocTee wrote: This is more like an IG Monologue. Soldier on, Steve! HA! Well I've seen plenty of peeps come and go this night, but only four seperate posts by three different non-me posters in this thread! Plus I spent 4 bucks searching the NY Times archive for that All-Time Centennial Award info!

Frayed Knot May 14 2008 07:14 PM

Story of the year so far for Heilman: He almost gets out of the inning.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 07:16 PM

Smith gets warm in the pen... UGH, Lopez with a two run double. Flores gets in under the tag. 3-1 Nats.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 07:18 PM

Heilman might be at Doug Sisk/Gene Walter/Mel Rojas level (putting aside the closers like Franco and Looper) in terms of hated Met relievers.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 07:19 PM

And its 5-1 Nats, and here comes the hook and here comes Joe Smith.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 07:23 PM

Okay Willie, from now on, Smith deserves to be in Heliman's role!

Mendoza Line May 14 2008 07:24 PM

Smith K's Zimmerman on three pitches, and makes it look easy.

TransMonk May 14 2008 07:26 PM

I didn't want to interrupt Steve's conversation...but I would have left Vargas in. Heilman is just brutal so far.

MFS62 May 14 2008 07:27 PM

Nice job, Aaron. I've seen better performances by Tori Spelling. Later

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 07:32 PM

Okay, heart of the order here in the bottom of the 7th. Beltran skies out. Thats a nice chopper for a hit for Endy. ANOTHER bloopish hit for Delgado, first and third for Schneider!

Centerfield May 14 2008 07:33 PM

Heilman may suck, but it pisses me off how Willie is the only one in the Stadium who doesn't realize it. At 3-1, two runners in scoring position, you have to give him the hook before a base hit puts it out of reach. I hate Willie. Fire the asshole.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 07:34 PM

Run scoring single, 5-2 now DAMN! But they were nibbling all inning there. Six more tries to get at least 3 runs.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 07:42 PM

Nice brisk 1-2-3 by Smith in the 8th.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 07:50 PM

Aright, one on for Reyes. And Reyes flies out. Come on Ryan... Ball 4! Here is Wright with the tying run and Acta goes to the pen, and from Zvon's Photobucket account comes John Cleese!

AG/DC May 14 2008 07:51 PM

It's a good day to be a hero David. Oh, it's a fine day.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 14 2008 07:52 PM

Yeah, I think we got a shot still here.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 07:54 PM

Note to self, maybe its not good to play with other's karma related things...

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 07:57 PM

ALRIGHT BELTRAN! 5-3 as Beltran ropes a hit off of Rauch

AG/DC May 14 2008 07:57 PM

It's a good day to be a hero, Carlos. Oh, it's a fine day.

Willets Point May 14 2008 07:58 PM

Holy shit, I'm actually watching a live Mets game for the first time in ages. Yay Carlos!

AG/DC May 14 2008 07:58 PM

Can Moises come back? No matter, I like lefties against Rauch.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 08:01 PM

UGH! DAMN COCK TEASING METS!

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 14 2008 08:01 PM

Shut up Rogers. The game isn;t over. Our game at least.

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 08:03 PM

Take it easy JCL, I'm not declaring the game over, just reacting to the end of the inning.

batmagadanleadoff May 14 2008 08:06 PM

MFS62 wrote: Nice job, Aaron. I've seen better performances by Tori Spelling. I didn't know that Aaron Spelling couldn't act.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 14 2008 08:12 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: Take it easy JCL, I'm not declaring the game over, just reacting to the end of the inning. That was a good inning though.

AG/DC May 14 2008 08:13 PM

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 08:14 PM

Well this game is making me feel like having...ehem... One burbon, one scotch, one beer...

SteveJRogers May 14 2008 08:17 PM

BLEH! 5-3 loss Fast forward to the piano part at the end of Layla

Fman99 May 14 2008 08:18 PM

How does Willie keep going to Heilman in close games, while Smith and Feliciano and every other live arm just sitting in the pen? This shit drives me ca ca coo coo.

metirish May 14 2008 08:25 PM

Fman99 wrote: How does Willie keep going to Heilman in close games, while Smith and Feliciano and every other live arm just sitting in the pen? This shit drives me ca ca coo coo. Willie trusts his gut , remember he's a winner.

Rockin' Doc May 14 2008 09:17 PM

Though Willie states the Mets don't have room for specialists, he seems to view Feliciano and Smith just as that. I particularly don't understand his hesitancy to use Feliciano more in the late innings of close games.

Gwreck May 14 2008 09:46 PM

Alou's ejection (1st of the year for the Mets) wasn't just for arguing, it was for him slamming the bat down on the plate as soon as he was called out. After he went back into the dugout, some equipment (probably his helmet and bat) got thrown onto the field. Terrible crowd. They not only booed the crap out of Aaron, the also booed Willie heavily as he walked back to the dugout after giving the ball to Smith.

Fman99 May 15 2008 06:57 AM

metirish wrote: ="Fman99"]How does Willie keep going to Heilman in close games, while Smith and Feliciano and every other live arm just sitting in the pen? This shit drives me ca ca coo coo. Willie trusts his gut , remember he's a winner. Oh yeah, that's right. I tend to forget that during all of the losing and idiotic moves he makes.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 15 2008 07:29 AM

Papers today say Wise was unavailable since he worked the day before, and Schoeneweis was hospirtalized yesterday with a stomach thingy that "turned his arms blue." Though it's definitely getting to the point where in that situation, there's every reason just to go to Smiff and try for a DP. That prolly means seeing Heilman later, however, which is why on a game-by-game basis it's hard to kill Willie for bullpen moves.

Benjamin Grimm May 15 2008 07:32 AM

I'm starting to think that Heilman might be well-served by being Trachseled. In other words, sent to AAA for a few weeks to get himself turned around.

AG/DC May 15 2008 07:35 AM

Yup. (OE: Yup to understanding the greater context of Heilman's status.) If we insist on being in a hanging mood, we should save some for the offense that asks our pitchers to go out there with no margin for error.

Frayed Knot May 15 2008 07:38 AM

Two hits off of Tim freakin' Redding can't be dismissed.

metirish May 15 2008 07:39 AM

Fair point there edgy , although there is plenty of booing saved for them as well . It's tough watching Easley play second , he's got no range at all.

AG/DC May 15 2008 07:49 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 15 2008 08:01 AM

I don't hear people who are jumping on Heilman saving booing for anybody. There's really only one possible (and seemingly desired) outcome here is that he plays himself out of the picture under the duress of the the fan vitriol, and when he's traded below value to another team or limps home in his walk year, he finds his abilitites again not with the Mets, but with some other team, at which point the boo-birds open another metophorical vein, and start talking about him not having what it takes to pitch in New York.

themetfairy May 15 2008 07:55 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: and Schoeneweis was hospirtalized yesterday with a stomach thingy that "turned his arms blue." WTF?

Benjamin Grimm May 15 2008 07:56 AM

That does sound a bit disturbing.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 15 2008 07:58 AM

Adfam Rubin sez: ]Randolph’s bullpen was woefully shorthanded. Scott Schoeneweis had been hospitalized from 7 a.m. to about 1 p.m. with severe abdominal pain that doctors feared at one point might be appendicitis. Meanwhile, Matt Wise – coming off the DL – shouldn’t have prudently pitched a third straight day. Wise had pitched Monday with St. Lucie when Mets brass presumed he wouldn’t be activated until Thursday. He then pitched Tuesday in his return from the DL. Heilman actually had been pitching fairly well. Over his previous six appearances, he had allowed one run and four hits in 7 1/3 innings. Schoeneweis, a testicular cancer survivor, said he was legitimately scared for his well-being on Tuesday night because he was alone in his Greenwich, Conn., house. There’s been a flu bug going around the team, and Schoeneweis was dealing with that as he got home Tuesday night. Feeling ill, he went to a drug store at 2 a.m. and bought some medicine to calm his bloated stomach. Schoeneweis thought that medication might have been spoiled and complicated matters since it “tasted like moldy towels.” At one point, he said, his arms turned blue and his hands were numb. He called an ambulance at 7 a.m. “I thought I was going to die,” he said. Doctors thought at one point he had appendicitis, but ruled that out when they pressed the area and Schoeneweis wasn’t in intolerable pain. Turns out Joe Smith had the same symptoms, only far less severe, in L.A. during the most recent road trip. “Joe’s the carrier,” Schoeneweis good-naturedly said.

AG/DC May 15 2008 08:04 AM

That's scary. Reports had said that his testicular cancer had already spread to his lymph nodes by the time he received treatment. How does he know what moldy towels taste like?