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Gary Cohen chastises fans for booing

Grote15 May 10 2008 08:44 PM

The fans were getting on Duaner during game 2 and Cohen thought the booing was inappropriate and unfair..He then said all Duaner has done is pitch well as a Met and get hurt...Keith agreed and I believe a little lightbulb hit him about the nature of the car accident and he shut up. We fans expect much from a team that is built to win now and with Citifield coming will be for a long time....ah..expectations... Am I less of a Mets fan for booing my own team..Heck no...They are playing poorly....they are not hitting well..they are not pitching well,not playing fundamentally well and the manager looks half asleep. At this early point I see an aging also ran team. A few wins can change expectation in a hurry...but for now it is what it is..Kinda ugly.. So to Gary Cohen BOO To the Mets...just try to wake up and get out of bed..we are pulling for you.

G-Fafif May 10 2008 09:09 PM

Hard to get inside the heads of every booing fan. I took the eighth-inning dismay as just booing of the general unraveling of events, not of Sanchez per se. He wasn't throwing hard but he didn't give up a single scorcher. If the booing was of the "you suck, Sanchez" variety, then I'm with Gary on this one.

Number 6 May 10 2008 10:13 PM Re: Gary Cohen chastises fans for booing

Grote15 wrote: Am I less of a Mets fan for booing my own team..Heck no... I don't really know what "less of a fan" means. I think a more compelling argument is whether virtually indiscriminate booing makes one sound like a spoiled child. I would argue that it does.

AG/DC May 10 2008 10:56 PM Re: Gary Cohen chastises fans for booing

Grote15 wrote: To the Mets...just try to wake up and get out of bed..we are pulling for you. Actually, you're not, and that's the point.

Grote15 May 10 2008 11:29 PM Re: Gary Cohen chastises fans for booing

AG/DC wrote: ="Grote15"]To the Mets...just try to wake up and get out of bed..we are pulling for you. Actually, you're not, and that's the point. I totally disagree...Please don't try a circular logic attack..You missed my point entirely...

AG/DC May 10 2008 11:35 PM

It's neither circular logic nor an attack.

Grote15 May 11 2008 06:11 AM

AG/DC wrote: It's neither circular logic nor an attack. I would ask..Have you ever booed a Met at a game? The Brewers fans went after Gagne pretty hard yesterday..Arod gets his share. I remember when Rey Ordonez and Kaz Matsui we're blistered...possibly by many members of this group..Billy Wagner got shelled after blowing a save against the MFY's 2 years ago..I was there and it was lound. I would say those Brewer fans and MFY fans are true to their team and venting their frustrations...Heck..Ryan Howards' been hearing it. I think I was surprised to hear Cohen bringing it up and sounding abit like Michael Kay shilling for the boss. I think most booing of ballplayers and teams comes from the frustration of losing and maybe just an edgier society in general. Having said that...Happy Mothers day to all and we'll all be watching on TV. Cheers!

Kong76 May 11 2008 06:27 AM

I don't really care if fans boo as much as some fans do, we've been through all this many times. I don't like stupid booing for booings sake. Heilman had a decent road trip and looked like maybe he was coming out of his funk. Him getting booed just for taking the hill yesterday was stupid and the last thing a player needs when trying to come out of a funk. It may not be a popular think to say, but I think there are more assholes at Shea than at a lot of other ballparks. Maybe I'm getting old and cranky. It used to be a guy with no outs move run- ners at first and second over and get a polite golf clap for doing a good job. Now he gets booed and called names from a lot of fans at Shea.

holychicken May 11 2008 07:56 AM

I feel like every experience of my life where I have been part of a team or part of a group working together towards a common goal, the equivalent of booing those in your group for lack of performance, especially publicly, was frowned upon because it does not help the cause. . . and that is only when it doesn't hurt your cause. I understand the whole "venting frustration," but do that here. Do that on the talk radio shows. Do that to your friends. No reason to create a hostile work environment by booing every times someone doesn't live up to expectations. I totally agree with Cohen. Booing Sanchez is ridiculous. The guy goes out every time and tries hard. The guy is one of the few on this team that wears his desire to go out on the field and pitch right on his sleeve. Why boo him? Why boo a guy who wants to go out and succeed for you? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Why do you think people boo opposing players? I think it is clearly because it creates a hostile environment for them; they are trying to shake them; they are trying to get them off their game. (proper use of semicolon?) Why would anyone want to create a hostile environment for home team that they root for? That being said, I don't think it makes you less of a fan, but I do think it is terrible counterproductive and should be reserved only for those who don't want to be playing for your team.

bmfc1 May 11 2008 09:39 AM

They weren't booing, they were saluting Boog Powell. I agree with G-Fafif... it's frustration from the events of the game, not "you suck player X! We hate you and everything you stand for!" The fans weren't booing Sanchez or Wagner, they were pissed that they spent $200 for tickets, $100 on food and souvenirs, an hour each way on transportation, all to see a sucky game. That doesn't make it right, it just means that it's not about the individual player. Unless Doug Sisk is involved... then scratch the above statement.

Fman99 May 11 2008 10:33 AM

They're not booing, they're saying "Boo-urns."

AG/DC May 11 2008 11:31 AM

Grote15 wrote: ="AG/DC"]It's neither circular logic nor an attack. I would ask..Have you ever booed a Met at a game? I guess I've booed the other team.

attgig May 12 2008 06:56 AM

great use of semi colon holy chicken. and agree with you completely. Venting frustration is a great argument if the guy just blew a game, and totally screwed everything up. But there's too many boos before the guy even does anything. as the guy's coming from the pen, or stepping up to the box. you can't boo for something he hasn't done yet.

Elster88 May 12 2008 05:27 PM

]To the Mets...just try to wake up and get out of bed..we are pulling for you. I'm speechless. Edit: Edgy beat me to it.

Elster88 May 12 2008 05:56 PM

Why did they boo Milledge? Basically let's boo anyone who ever wore a Met uniform?

Grote15 May 12 2008 07:06 PM

Well..they are booing tonight....In my opinion general frustration and I guess figgy is personally getting it.

Grote15 May 12 2008 07:07 PM

Elster88 wrote: ]To the Mets...just try to wake up and get out of bed..we are pulling for you. I'm speechless. Edit: Edgy beat me to it. Thanks for the vote of confidence folks...Some people are more equal than others I guess.

metsmarathon May 12 2008 07:23 PM

if anyone can provide me with a solid explanation, based on predictions of the responses and behaviors of actual real human beings, of how booing a struggling and/or slumping player is more likely to help him than hinder him, than i'd be all for listening to it. until that happens, i cannot shake the notion that booing and generally creating a negative environment for the team whose positive performance we would hope for is a bad, counterproductive thing. and while booing may not make you less of a fan, it may make you part of the problem. and the enemy of winning.

AG/DC May 12 2008 07:45 PM

Grote15 wrote: ="Elster88"] ]To the Mets...just try to wake up and get out of bed..we are pulling for you. I'm speechless. Edit: Edgy beat me to it. Thanks for the vote of confidence folks...Some people are more equal than others I guess. I don't understand that any more than the "circular logic attack" comment.

G-Fafif May 12 2008 10:20 PM

It struck me tonight, as I was among the 800 or so who remained at game's end that Carlos Delgado would be the last out and therefore would bear the brunt of the futility. But he wasn't booed at all. Because when there are 800 people, you can be picked out of a crowd by a large man with a bat. Also because once we dipped into triple-digits, we were all kind of in this loss together.

Nymr83 May 12 2008 11:25 PM

]But he wasn't booed at all. Because when there are 800 people, you can be picked out of a crowd by a large man with a bat. are you joking? when i think they can hear me is when i'd really like to yell something at players

AG/DC May 13 2008 06:25 AM

You've never met a bully who likes to hide in crowds? I tell you they're all around you. Harmless alone, turning savage in crowds: more than half, for sure. --- Wislawa Szymborska ("A Word on Statistics")

soupcan May 13 2008 07:34 AM

I was there until the 7th (I had an excuse - two 11 year-olds on a school night in tow), and I was perplexed by the Milledge booing. I mean I guess I can understand it - visiting player and all but its not like the guy chose to leave. The other booing towards the Mets, I thought, was clearly focused on the subpar play of the team as opposed to any one player. In fact, when Figgy finally came out of the game I was expecting him to be booed but he really wasn't. A smattering here and there but nothing extreme.