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KTE - The Bronx Bummers (Part I)

soupcan
May 16 2008 10:05 AM
Edited 2 time(s), most recently on May 16 2008 10:32 AM

So here we go – The Amazin’ Mess versus The Bronx Bummers

With the overhyped Subway Serious (as Bugs Bunny may have called it) upon us, there is no shortage of previews and prognostications available in the local rags. The most popular feature of these seems to be to compare each team position by position. I include it (see below) but don’t really get it. It’s not like Jetah and Reyes are gonna have a steel cage match between second and third base.

Both teams stagger into this weekend trying to get something going. The Mets having lost 3 of 4 in excrutiating ways against the lowly Nats and the Yankees having the Tampa Rays (Still Devil Rays or are they now supposed to be the Rays of sunlight?) not acting like their little brothers any longer.

The Yankees, losers of six of nine, are struggling offensively They managed just six runs in the four games against the Rays, only two off starters.


Before I give you the stats and matchups I thought that I would share some personal memories from the formative years of my own personal Mets/Yankee history:


October 1973 – I’m just shy of 10 years old and my dad is watching the World Series on TV in our apartment on the upper west side of Manhattan. Having lived in Manhattan my entire life up to that point I was aware that the Mets and Yankees existed but had no passion one way or the other for either team. Sitting down and watching I just became completely enamored with Willie Mays (or ‘Wille May’s’ as I portrayed him in a drawing I did shortly thereafter ). That series turned it for me. The Mets, the Amazin' Mets were from that point on MY team. They were winners and they would always be. Little did I know

October 1976 – Yankees swept in four straight by the Reds. I can still remember the picture of Johnny Bench soaked in champagne on the back page of the Daily News. HA HA!

Summer 1978 – Guidry strikes out a million Angels in one game and Marcello Conigliaro and I get in a fight about the Yankees being better than the Mets. I punch him in the face and win the fight, fortunately he was two years younger than me. Unfortunately he was right.

October 1978 - My parents divorced, moved to the bland Murray Hill neighborhood of Manhattan, changed schools, Yankees won the World Series again. Had to be one of the worst years of my life.

Cut to high school , 1979 – 1982:

It seemed like Fermin Padilla and I were the only two Mets fans at the High School of Music & Art. He and I would study box scores, dream of Mark Bomback’s potential, put waaaay too much importance on the outcome of the Mayor’s Trophy Game and be completely befuddled about why all the girls were Yankee fans because they thought Bucky Dent was better looking than Lee Mazzilli.

Went to lots of Mets games those years. The 1 or the 2 to Times Square and the 7 out to Flushing. About an hour each way. $5.50 would put you in the front row next to the visitors dugout. $1.50 general admission, $2 to the field level ushers and another $2 bucks put you down in front. Try that in the Boogie Down. Favorite memory of those years in those seats was my Bill Robinson story (posted at UMDB) and my Lenny Randle encounter. Pop-up that drifted from third base back to to the stands where I was sitting. Randle tracking it the whole way. Finally he crashes into the wall right in front of me as the ball lands two rows behind me. ‘FUCK!’ Lenny yells, pretty much right into my 13 or 14 year old face. I thought it was great.

In 1981 I moved to California where following the Mets via The Los Angeles Times and Tribune (was it The Daily News?) was no small feat. Subscribed to The Sporting News just so I could read those stupid off-season half-paragraph team reports. On the upside I did get to read a ton of Jim Murray and Scott Ostler columns.

October 1981 – Tracey Galloway calls me at home: ‘Want to go to the game today?’ ‘Nah, I’m just gonna stay home and watch the Yankees and Dodgers.’ ‘That’s the game I’m talking about, my dad has an extra ticket.”

And that was the first World Series game that I attended. Sat in the right field bleachers at Dodger Stadium and when Goose Gossage drilled Ron Cey in the head with a fastball we could hear it all the way out there. Yankees lost (Yay!) but at least they didn’t continue to suck like another team that wore interlocking ‘NY’s.

1982 – graduated from high school and moved back east. Instead of going to college right away I took a job at Rizzoli bookstore on 5th Avenue, catering to ex-pat Italians who hated me because I didn’t speak Italian. They’d come in every day for their copy of ‘Corriere Della Sport’ simply to keep up with AC Milan or whatever Italian Footbal team they followed. The Italians won the World Cup that year and I remember getting to work that morning and seeing a line around the corner of people waiting to buy their copy of the paper simply so they could revel in the championship. That’s what its like when your team wins the big one . That’s what Yankee fans get. Boy did I want that for the Mets.

1983-1987 – My years at Syracuse University coincided with the rise of the Mets and the fall of the Yankees. My only regrets from those years is that I wasn’t in the City to personally witness happy, boastful Mets fans and downtrodden Yankee fans. The Mets had Straw, Doc, Mex, Nails, and a World Championship. The Yankees had Don Mattingly, ‘Mr. May’ Winfield and Howie Spira. A glorious time.

September 1987 – On the first day of my first job out of college. Co-worker and Mets fan Ed Melendez questioned my baseball allegiance. I pulled a Ron Darling baseball card out of my wallet and he and I were simpatico for the next 5 years.


Part II to be presented prior to the second installment of this Series June 27, 28, 29.

FRIDAY
7 p.m., SNY/CH. 9
Weather: 70 percent chance of rain, High 57°

Johan Santana (4-2, 3.10)
vs.
Darrell Rasner (2-0, 3.00)

Santana is 3-0 with a 2.66 ERA against the Yanks in his career He's also 2-0 with a 1.17 ERA in four regular season appearances at Yankee Stadium

In last years Subway Series, Rasner gave up two runs and two hits without recording an out before he took a one- hopper off the bat of Endy Chavez off his right index finger, causing a fracture and ending his season.

SATURDAY
1 p.m., SNY/YES
Weather: Afternoon showers, High 70°

Oliver Perez (3-3, 4.61)
vs.
Andy Pettitte (3-4, 4.40)

Pettitte is 0-2 with an ERA of 6.10 in his last two games.

Perez numbers aren’t much better – 1-1 with an ERA of exactly 6.00 in his last two.

SUNDAY
8 p.m., ESPN
Weather: Showers, High 67°

John Maine (5-2, 2.81)
vs.
Chien-Ming Wang (6-1, 2.90)

John Maine has won his past four starts, each following a Mets loss. He's allowed two runs or fewer in seven straight starts Maine is 3-0 with a 1.77 ERA so far in May

After starting the season 6-0 Wang has gone 1-2, giving up 4 earned runs in his last 14 innings pitched. In his only prior start against the Mets, Wang struck out a career-high 10 in an 8-2 win June 17, 2007.

Noteworthy:

ARod (right quadriceps) and Posada will miss the series as both are currently on the DL.

Introduced in 1997, the Yankees lead the Subway Series, 35-25, but haven't won a Series since 2003 when they went 6-0. The Mets won four of six in 2004 and the teams have split the six games the past three seasons.






X-Factor

Bummers
None!

Mess
El Duque
Willie Randolph

metirish
May 16 2008 10:24 AM

Nice work , I 'm looking forward to this series with a mixture of fear and dread.


Love the personal memories Soup.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 16 2008 10:33 AM

Carrying a Ron Darling card in your wallet also gets you into ghey clubs I hear.

soupcan
May 16 2008 10:35 AM

I was 22. I was confused.

AG/DC
May 16 2008 10:42 AM

Maine and Wang have been respectively saving their teams' bacon. Something's gotta give.

Fman99
May 16 2008 10:45 AM

AG/DC wrote:
Maine and Wang have been respectively saving their teams' bacon. Something's gotta give.


Wang and bacon finally together, if only for a sentence.

themetfairy
May 16 2008 11:33 AM

Great job soup! You're our resident expert in douchebag neighbors.

Frayed Knot
May 16 2008 12:37 PM

Rasner's been quite good in his two starts since he was called up to replace "the kids" who weren't pitching well.
Pressure is definitely on the NYM - and Santana specifically - in this game since the matchup favors us.


Pettitte started out OK but has been lousy lately. He gets 3 good innings in then starts falling apart in the 4th.


Wang's been very good this year and deserves every bit of his good record - as opposed to the last few years where he won games when he pitched well but also won a bunch of them when he pitched lousy.

Grote15
May 16 2008 01:13 PM

Crash Davis We need a rainout..and we're gonna get it.

Doubleheader Saturday or Sunday?

I really wanted to watch this tonight..poop

Grote15
May 16 2008 01:15 PM

soupcan wrote:
I was 22. I was confused.


Not that there's anything wrong with it

metirish
May 16 2008 01:31 PM

Dave Mlicki remembers , nice article.



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Jim Baumbach



The annual installments of the Subway Series surely don't pass without Mets fans thinking of Dave Mlicki and that memorable shutout he pitched in the first ever Mets-Yankees regular-season game in 1997.

And you know what? Mlicki still thinks about that game a lot, too.

"It was one of the most fun days I could have ever had," Mlicki said Friday from his Dublin, Ohio home.

The most recent reminder of the gem he threw in a 6-0 win on June 16, 1997 came when he opened his local newspaper Friday morning. He saw the Mets and Yankees were starting another series in the Bronx, which


It's a story he has probably told hundreds of times to so many strangers, but he doesn't mind one bit.

"When I first saw the schedule for that year, I knew I really wanted to pitch in that series. I really wanted to be one of those three guys. I had it penciled in my calendar," Mlicki said. "Then, when Bobby [Valentine] told me I would be the first one, I was ecstatic. I wasn't nervous. It was weird."

Mlicki recalled getting to Yankee Stadium early that day, because it was the first time he had ever been there. He walked out to Monument Park and checked out the plaques and monuments, allowing himself to take in the illustrious history from that stadium just hours before he would make a bit of history himself.

He said he felt only the usual bit of nerves before the game, then instantly found a sense of calm on the mound. Of course the 3-0 lead his teammates gave him before he even threw a pitch helped, too.

"It was just was one of those days when everything felt right," he said. "It's hard even for me to explain."

Fans still send him letters about that game, including articles they've kept for more than a decade now.

"The front page of Newsday, I still get that," Mlicki said.

He said he has a special room in his house where he said he keeps everything, including framed articles, front pages and pictures. He has the game ball as well as a cup of dirt he took from the Yankee Stadium pitcher's mound long after the game ended.

This is the sixth season that Mlicki has been retired for, and he said he spends most of his time now playing golf and being a father to his two sons, Avery (6½) and Gavin (5½). They're just starting Tee Ball now, and he said he's enjoying baseball now through them. He even is thinking about bringing them to New York this summer so they can see Shea Stadium, his old workplace, before it's torn down.

Just recently Mlicki's parents surprised him by playing a video of that memorable game for his sons, who had never seen it.

"They think I'm the best pitcher in the world, which is pretty cool," Mlicki said.

For one night some 11 years ago, Mets fans would agree.

Fman99
May 16 2008 01:36 PM

Mmmmm, licky.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 16 2008 01:46 PM

Similar numbers and younger than Mike Jacobs on up the line. Jacobs you may recall repeated AA a few times but essentially arrived at Shea via Bingo and did alright.

I wouldn't sell Carp short in terms of his last-resortness, particularly if he's asked to replace a Delgado who's a No. 7 hitter and underperforming free agent to be, which he essentially is/would be were he to break his leg tonight.

metsguyinmichigan
May 16 2008 02:24 PM

themetfairy wrote:
Great job soup! You're our resident expert in douchebag neighbors.


POST OF THE YEAR NOMINEE!!!!

Benjamin Grimm
May 16 2008 02:34 PM

="National Weather Service"]Late Afternoon: Periods of rain. Patchy fog. High near 58. Northeast wind around 9 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts of less than a tenth of an inch possible.

Tonight:
Periods of rain, mainly before 2am. Patchy fog before 2am. Low around 47. North wind between 10 and 13 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New rainfall amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.


Sounds like a nasty, sloppy evening, but one in which a game can be played.

I remember Patchy Fog! Whatever happened to him?

Frayed Knot
May 16 2008 02:34 PM

Yanx pen is LHP-less these days (unless they've kept off-Kei Igawa around, I've lost track) so that might be a help to us.

- Mariano & Joba are their main guys obviously.
- Fransworth has actually been better this year after most fans wanted him not only cut but deported as well.
- Ohlendorf is just OK even though Yanqui-nation wants to tell us how good he'll be one day so they'll have something to show for the Randy Johnson deal
- Edwar Ramirez is the skinny-looking dude w/glasses who lives off a good change-up which means he tends to be either good for an inning or get totally bombed.
- Dave Veras and LaTroy Hawkins are basically being used for mop-up

themetfairy
May 16 2008 02:39 PM
Edited 2 time(s), most recently on May 16 2008 02:40 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
="themetfairy"]Great job soup! You're our resident expert in douchebag neighbors.


POST OF THE YEAR NOMINEE!!!!


Thanks, but I shamelessly stole the line from Edgy.

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soupcan, tell us about the Mets' douchebag neighbors.

[url]http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8593&start=60[/url]

Frayed Knot
May 16 2008 02:39 PM

Rumor has it that the make-up (if needed) will be played Saturday (D/N DH of course) rather than Sunday.
The Saturday game is surprisingly NOT a 4PM FOX start (Boston-Milw is) so a D/N DH is now in play on that day where usually it wouldn't be in a subway series.

metsguyinmichigan
May 16 2008 03:08 PM

themetfairy wrote:
="metsguyinmichigan"]
themetfairy wrote:
Great job soup! You're our resident expert in douchebag neighbors.


POST OF THE YEAR NOMINEE!!!!


Thanks, but I shamelessly stole the line from Edgy.

]

soupcan, tell us about the Mets' douchebag neighbors.

[url]http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8593&start=60[/url]


Oops, I missed the original. Props all around.

Speaking of the neighbors, is the rink gone? Did they replant the grass or do just see a lot of dirt?

Willets Point
May 16 2008 03:20 PM

It's now the site of Mr. & Mrs. Douchebag's BMX racing course.

themetfairy
May 16 2008 03:29 PM

[url=http://www.sportsline.com/spin/story/10819500]10 Types of MFY Fans[/url]

Willets Point
May 16 2008 03:40 PM

themetfairy wrote:
[url=http://www.sportsline.com/spin/story/10819500]10 Types of MFY Fans[/url]


1. Assholes
2. Douchebags
3. Schmucks
4. Bastards
5. Bullies
6. Dickwads
7. Fucktards
8. Bandwagon Hoppers
9. The rare devoted baseball fan who grew up with the Yankees and knows a lot about the team.
10. My mom

Did I get it right?

metsguyinmichigan
May 16 2008 04:36 PM

10. My mom

Did I get it right?

One of the best lines from the old "Family Ties" show was when the parents spoke about the time Alex ran away from home.

"How could I stay? They were voting for McGovern."

I suspect you were tempted!

Willets Point
May 16 2008 04:40 PM

My mother was a big fan growing up in the Bronx, but fortunately for me, by the time she reached adulthood her interest in baseball had waned to a mere token appreciation of the Yanks.

I had to make a category for her since I couldn't wouldn't shouldn't ever call her any of those names.

DocTee
May 16 2008 05:32 PM

any chance they do a two stadium dealio again?

TransMonk
May 16 2008 05:33 PM

God I hope not. Anything more they do to make this meaningless series appear any more exciting is irritating.

Benjamin Grimm
May 16 2008 05:39 PM

DocTee wrote:
any chance they do a two stadium dealio again?


I think it's entirely possible.

What they SHOULD do is try to squeeze it in this weekend. I'm surprised that they haven't announced that yet. Maybe it's because of the poor forecast for the next couple of days.

cooby
May 16 2008 05:54 PM

Wow!

Frayed Knot
May 17 2008 06:27 AM

Yanx will skip Rasner, Mets to keep rotation as is.

So Saturday it's Santana v Pettitte

Sunday = Perez v Wang

AG/DC
May 17 2008 08:00 AM

Not for nuttin', but by the next Yankee series, Number 45 could well be back in uniform.

DocTee
May 17 2008 09:21 AM

You really think Carl Pavano will be back by then?

AG/DC
May 17 2008 09:58 AM

SNAP!

AG/DC
May 19 2008 10:39 AM

How can the Yankees win when their trash-talking mooks are unable to really bring it?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 19 2008 10:47 AM

Let's trade this guy anyway

metirish
May 19 2008 10:53 AM