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Jerry Manuel
John Cougar Lunchbucket May 25 2008 09:04 PM |
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I gotta be honest: Other than a vague memory of owning a few of his baseball cards in the 1970s, I didn't till just now know him from Charlie Manuel.
[code:1]I think Manual was ok dealing with the media and with GM/Owner, but ((compared to Guillen)), he was terrible with his in game management, and terrible in dealing with the players (defending 'his guys'). [/code:1]
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John Cougar Lunchbucket May 25 2008 09:06 PM |
Here's an interesting, if too familiar, article. Advocating a particular guy as a manager is like arguing for a lottery winner. But interesting in that it shows he's not necessarily a "Willie Guy":
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AG/DC May 25 2008 11:26 PM Re: Jerry Manuel |
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I guess Willie's moment may someday be framed in the Humber start. They like Guillen as an in-game strategist?
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Frayed Knot May 26 2008 05:50 AM |
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He's also been known to quote Ghandi (ML King also) which is much of what leads to his 'nice guy/cerebral' image. Kind of like the baseball version of the Colts' Tony Dungy in that he isn't cut from the mold of the old fashioned macho-type coach. On the other hand he did lead the AL in ejections one year. What's funny is that you could take most of those quotes and substitute the name 'Willie' and think they came from Met boards this year: defending "his guys"; 'battling'; 'too laid back'; etc.. "Mismanaged the bullpen" is an almost universal complaint and is frequently code for, 'he brought in a guy I don't like'. Fans often want a manager to limit his choices to the same 2 or 3 top guys except during 12 run blowouts -- right up until the point they cite him for over-use if/when those guys falter. I think I remember that 'Cotts' game. He was real young and had had some good pen outings so they tried him starting and he got bombed to the tune of about a 10 spot within 2 innings. Losing to Lou's 114-win Seattle team in 2000 can't be the biggest sin in the history of managerial-com. Does anyone get along with Frank Thomas?
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SteveJRogers May 26 2008 06:52 AM |
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The 116 wins was in 2001. In 2000 the Ms won 91 games, ended up winning the Wild Card due to the A's record against them in the regular season, and the White Sox won 95 games, which was the best record in the AL and tied for the second best record in the majors that year. The Mariners ended up sweeping the Sox in the [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2000_ALDS2.shtml]ALDS[/url].
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metirish May 26 2008 09:16 AM |
Howie of the Fan yesterday talked about the supposed similarity between Manuel and Randolph and that Manuel has being trying to dismiss those misgivings the past few days , letting people know that he has led the AL in getting tossed and has a very fiery side.
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A Boy Named Seo May 26 2008 11:07 AM |
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Nice homework, JCL. I was wondering the same about Manuel and my Sox friend sez this, while referencing that same pic in that ESPN article.
When you add in the fieriness, Manuel sounds like the sticky, men's room romance love child of Willie, Rick Peterson, and Lou Piniella.
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AG/DC May 26 2008 11:58 AM |
I'm OK with managing the man inside the player and the player inside the man. It can be over-stated, but those aren't Strat-o-Matic cards out there every day.
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A Boy Named Seo May 26 2008 12:23 PM |
I'm all for it, too. I also think tirades and turning over Gatorade bins is overrated, too. Don't think Willie Randolph kicking dirt on the blue is going to make Damion Easley or whoever more likely to get a hit next inning.
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AG/DC May 26 2008 12:29 PM |
I could take all of Willie if I could just extract the bunting. It's not like that's everything I disagree with him on, it isn't, but letting this team get the most from its at-bats could change a lot of the outlook.
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Farmer Ted May 26 2008 02:54 PM |
I'll give Jerry credit for showing some spark. When Delgado's homer was called foul in the Bronx, I thought it was an opportunity for Willie to show some balls and get into it with the umps. He backed down and it was Jerry who got tossed.
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AG/DC May 26 2008 06:22 PM |
I don't know that its a question of balls.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 17 2008 08:08 AM |
bumpity bump
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smg58 Jun 17 2008 08:17 AM |
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And the fans seem to have blamed Manuel for Frank Thomas going 0 for 9, and the team batting .185 as a whole. That seems a bit harsh to me. Then again, managers always get too much credit when things go well and too much blame when they don't. Willie's certainly no exception.
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G-Fafif Jun 17 2008 08:28 AM |
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SI [url=http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1019993/index.htm]profile[/url] of Manuel, by William Nack, from the high-flying Sox summer of 2000.
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bmfc1 Jun 17 2008 09:43 AM |
Jerry read Martin Luther King's works:
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Benjamin Grimm Jun 17 2008 09:45 AM |
Not that it matters at all, but is Jerry black or Hispanic?
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AG/DC Jun 17 2008 09:48 AM |
Wikipedia quotes his 2003 Topps baseball card: "Manuel and Ken Williams form the first African-American GM/manager tandem in MLB history."
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Vince Coleman Firecracker Jun 17 2008 09:49 AM |
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He's in the California Black Sports Hall of Fame, if that helps.
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TheOldMole Jun 17 2008 05:33 PM |
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Well, at least he has Bobby V's politics.
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Nymr83 Jun 17 2008 06:07 PM |
I hope he has Bobby V's managing skills.
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bmfc1 Jun 17 2008 08:59 PM |
Jerry is only 54 but looks older because of the white in his beard. He needs the hair dye that Keith plugs.
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attgig Jun 17 2008 11:50 PM |
so when do the fire Jerry chants start at shea?
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TheOldMole Jun 18 2008 09:22 PM |
I'm thinking the Mets should hire Giuseppe Franco, because he won't put his name on a product unless he knows it really works.
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duan Jun 19 2008 02:52 AM "Play Hard" |
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