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IGT #57 - Mets (Pedro) at Giants (Zito) - 6/3/08

Gwreck Jun 03 2008 07:18 PM

Mets Reyes SS Easley 2B Wright 3B Beltran CF Church RF Tatis LF Delgado 1B Castro C Pedro P Giants Fred Lewis LF Ray Durham 2B Randy Winn RF Benji Molina C Aaron Rowand CF John Bowker 1B Rich Aurilia 3B Omar Vizquel SS Barry Zito P

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2008 07:33 PM

Interesting. I thought Willie said Schneid would go tonite. Not that I'm complaining.

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 07:59 PM

I think a straight platoon is so the way to go. Remember when Castro got two starts in a row with Pedro? And the papers were all, "He's Pedro's personal catcher!" And Willie's all, "He is not!" And the papers are all, "They're so reflexively deferential to Mike that they won't even admit it that Pedro doesn't want to pitch to Mike, and that Mike sucks, and that they kowtow to Latino mafia!" Good times.

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 08:03 PM

Molina is not a slender bird.

metirish Jun 03 2008 08:15 PM

I excited for this , come on Mets.

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 08:18 PM

Two ducks quickly on the pond for Wright-Beltran-Churchie.

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 08:30 PM

Jose, why wasn't that ball caught?

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 08:31 PM

Tied. On a crap rally.

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 08:34 PM

My fat catcher and your fat catcher Sitting by the fire My fat catcher says to your fat catcher You're gross when you perspire

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 08:36 PM

The old 6-5 putout works.

metirish Jun 03 2008 08:48 PM

Pedro hitting 91/92 regularly , a good sign.

Frayed Knot Jun 03 2008 08:50 PM

Also out of the strike zone regularly, not a good sign.

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 08:56 PM

He's one of the great control pitchers of all time. I'm not concerned about his location. If he doesn't have it, he'll find it. Velocity is what we're pursuing.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2008 08:56 PM

AG/DC wrote: My fat catcher and your fat catcher Sitting by the fire My fat catcher says to your fat catcher You're gross when you perspire Castro-Castro Benji Top o' the order coming up, let's score a few and send me to bed happy.

Frayed Knot Jun 03 2008 09:15 PM

Bengie Molina: Slowest #1 ever?

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 09:19 PM

The duck asks you to: Name the five pitchers to be unanimous Cy Young Award winners two or more times. I got Pedro, Carlton, and Clemens. Who else? I'll guess Seaver and, um, Vida Blue?

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 09:20 PM

AG/DC wrote: Jose, why wasn't that ball caught? It's hard to catch with your head up your ass.

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 09:21 PM

Line shot to left by Castro, caught. Grounder up the middle for Pedro, base hit.

Frayed Knot Jun 03 2008 09:24 PM

AG/DC wrote: The duck asks you to: Name the five pitchers to be unanimous Cy Young Award winners two or more times. I got Pedro, Carlton, and Clemens. Who else? I'll guess Seaver and, um, Vida Blue? Santana

metsguyinmichigan Jun 03 2008 09:27 PM

I can't get the game on TV, but it looks like Pedro is pretty strong. Let's get some runs off this bum and get Pedro a win!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2008 09:29 PM

That's what happens when you go around catching everything one-handed.

Willets Point Jun 03 2008 09:30 PM

Nice recovery by Tatis, but not fast enough. Let's make it not matter by getting Vizquel out.

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 09:32 PM

Church runs down a ball in the gap that is out of most parks in center. He plays a helluva right field. Gary is flabbergasted that Willie intentionally walks Vizquel, who was 1 for his last 29.

Gwreck Jun 03 2008 09:34 PM

I like his bat so far, but I can't stress enough how much I'd like to have a real outfielder (read: not Evans, either) out there instead of Tatis. On the other hand, Church's defensive value is on display particularly this series.

metirish Jun 03 2008 09:37 PM

Mets can't keep letting Zito off the hook.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2008 09:37 PM

Here we go. Easley walks and Wright singles hard. Beltran doubles!

Rockin' Doc Jun 03 2008 09:37 PM

Easley with a lead off walk. Now let's make Zito pay for that mistake.

metirish Jun 03 2008 09:37 PM

Belltran knocks in a run....yes.

Rockin' Doc Jun 03 2008 09:39 PM

The Met's have a rally going. Good to Beltran starting to swing the bat better of late.

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 09:39 PM

Driving the ball on the ground and running is the strategy tonight. The wind is holding up everything in the air.

metsguyinmichigan Jun 03 2008 09:39 PM

Beltran heating up!

Rockin' Doc Jun 03 2008 09:41 PM

Church gets Wright home with a sac fly. Beltran at third with one down. The Mets really need to get him home.

metsguyinmichigan Jun 03 2008 09:45 PM

Nice at-bat by Tatis. I think he was trying to get Zito to 100 pitches all by himself.

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 09:45 PM

Outstanding walk by Tatis. Let's see some power here, Delgado.

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 09:45 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 03 2008 09:47 PM

It's trendy to say the lineup goes as Reyes goes. But long-term it's always going to be about Wright and Beltran. I think it should be obvious given their positions in the lineup.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2008 09:46 PM

Not to have any sympathy for the enemy but Zito is trying out there. His stirrups are also not quite up to major league speed but he's at least showing something.

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 09:46 PM

I was going to berate Tatis for flailing at the first two pitches like a child swinging at a pinata, but he turned it into a great at-bat.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2008 09:48 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 03 2008 09:48 PM

Wow. Delgado fails to hit into a DP spectacularly.

Fman99 Jun 03 2008 09:48 PM

A break there as Delgado gets the RBI FC. Bye bye Mr. Zito.

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 09:50 PM

Not sure why the second basemen on the Giants don't know how to position themselves for a DP. He couldn't get over to cover on Delgado's chopper. Vizquel tried to beat Tatis to the bag and the attempt also meant he couldn't throw out Delgado. I was about to say I'd prefer a Delgado strikeout to a Delgado DP in that spot. I guess it worked out.

Rockin' Doc Jun 03 2008 09:50 PM

I hate to see Zito leave. It was starting to look like a merry-go-round out there for the Mets.

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 09:51 PM

Elster88 wrote: Not sure why the second basemen on the Giants don't know how to position themselves for a DP. I'm pretty certain it's related to the Delgado defensive alignment. Vizquel's failure was probably to commit to one base or the other.

metsguyinmichigan Jun 03 2008 09:51 PM

The best free agent signing we DIDN'T make.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2008 09:51 PM

Chuck Chulk coughs up a bloop single. Now here's Pedro.

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 09:52 PM

Think small, Pedro. (Yeah, right.)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2008 09:52 PM

Pedro just knocked Joba off the back page with that hit.

Fman99 Jun 03 2008 09:53 PM

PETEY! Bloop single and RBI for Pedro. Good stuff.

Willets Point Jun 03 2008 09:53 PM

Criminy! The baby wakes up and I miss three runs. At least the Mets are still batting. Go Pedro!

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 09:53 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: The best free agent signing we DIDN'T make. Mike Hampton is hurt.

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 09:53 PM

Fman99 wrote: A break there as Delgado gets the RBI FC. Bye bye Mr. Zito. Scored a hit.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2008 09:54 PM

Giants revealing why they're 10 games south of .500.

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 09:54 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Pedro just knocked Joba off the back page with that hit. It's probably too late for the papers? Sadness.

Willets Point Jun 03 2008 09:55 PM

AG/DC wrote: ="metsguyinmichigan"]The best free agent signing we DIDN'T make. Mike Hampton is hurt. And has been for the past four seasons.

Fman99 Jun 03 2008 09:55 PM

Nice! An 8 spot and it's 9-1 Mets! Easley with the bases-clearing double to plate 3.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2008 09:55 PM

Easley clears the bases and we've scored 8 this inning.

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 09:55 PM

Lots of screams of pleasure from the crowd when Pedro flipped that hit into right.

Rockin' Doc Jun 03 2008 09:56 PM

Where's vlad's Bugs Bunnie cartoon when you need it?

Fman99 Jun 03 2008 09:56 PM

Elster88 wrote: ="Fman99"]A break there as Delgado gets the RBI FC. Bye bye Mr. Zito. Scored a hit. Odd. He'd have been out by a country mile if Vizquel had gone right to first with the throw, instead of trying to get the force at 2nd.

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 09:56 PM

AG/DC wrote: ="Elster88"]Not sure why the second basemen on the Giants don't know how to position themselves for a DP. I'm pretty certain it's related to the Delgado defensive alignment. Good call.

Willets Point Jun 03 2008 09:56 PM

I told you that the Mets left all their suck on the field last night.

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 09:56 PM

My dear. Damion's game of the year tonight.

Gwreck Jun 03 2008 09:56 PM

Great game for Easley.

Willets Point Jun 03 2008 09:57 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote: I hate to see Zito leave. It was starting to look like a merry-go-round out there for the Mets. The merry-go-round is still spinning.

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 09:57 PM

Willets Point wrote: I told you that the Mets left all their suck on the field last night. And the Giants picked it up. Ouch, quite a dig at Zito by Cohen.

Rockin' Doc Jun 03 2008 09:57 PM

I like this Chulk guy even better than Zito. Easley clears the bases with a double. Apparently Easley likes Chulk too.

Nymr83 Jun 03 2008 10:03 PM

very nice inning. off to bed

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 10:05 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 03 2008 10:13 PM

It's the best feeling when you're an out-of-town Mets fan coming out to see them as the visiting team, then seeing the Mets open up like this. The home crowd dissapates and you find yourself surrounded by a city of Met fans you never knew about that had been hiding within your own city. All of a sudden the Mets score nine, and AT&T park is Agee, Theodore, & Throneberry Park. Nine-run scoring Mets, I salute you.

DocTee Jun 03 2008 10:12 PM

There were a number of Mets fans in attendance last night,

Frayed Knot Jun 03 2008 10:35 PM

Be nice to get out of this inning scoreless end his eveing on a high note.

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 10:35 PM

Pedro stopped pitching effectively after 100 pitches about five years ago. This is also the first regular season game he's gone more than 3 innings in since September. Can we shut him down please before he hurts himself again. Edit: And he shuts me up with two straight strikeouts. Edit2: But why is an oft-injured Pedro the only guy Willie is willing to stretch out. Shouldn't he be the last guy? Especially in his first game back? Or am I just overtired?

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 10:41 PM

He's had 109 pitches, the last 40 in zero-pressure.

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 10:42 PM

Evans one for 19. Pas cue shee.

TransMonk Jun 03 2008 10:43 PM

Elster88 wrote: Edit2: But why is an oft-injured Pedro the only guy Willie is willing to stretch out. Shouldn't he be the last guy? Especially in his first game back? Or am I just overtired? Howie and Eddie on the radio were opining that the one thing that Willie leaving him in must prove is that there is no doubt about Pedro's health (arm or hammy), otherwise he probably would have been taken out earlier. But, I agree, I would have not have pressed my luck up by 6.

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 10:44 PM

AG/DC wrote: He's had 109 pitches, the last 40 in zero-pressure. 109 doesn't seem unusual given the way Willie has been quick with the hook on other starters this year? Or does the huge lead and no pressure mean it doesn't matter?

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 10:47 PM

I think it means it matters less.

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 10:52 PM

Seaver in the house.

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 10:59 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 03 2008 11:05 PM

It may matter less, but it still makes me nervous. And it still doesn't match the way Willie has pulled the rest of his starting pitchers. I guess I just need more consistency in my life. GREAT intervietw from Pedro. Thoughtful, long answers. And I'm not just saying that because he took the time at the end to thank everyone who had been rooting for him. And Pedro paused and smiled at the camera after his last sentence. He knows exactly how I like my belly scractched. And he looks thrilled to be back. Edit: changed "starters" to "starting pitchers"

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 11:02 PM

Well, I'd've liked a few starters pulled the last two innings. Get Casanova an inning or two.

Elster88 Jun 03 2008 11:06 PM

I'm getting yelled at. Time for bed. Can't wait for tomorrow's game.

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 11:17 PM

Sleep well, my friends. Dream not that Scott Schoeneweis just pitched the Giants back into this show.

Nymr83 Jun 03 2008 11:22 PM

wow. with a 6 run lead i can't think of anything worse than the sequence "walk, walk, homer" to start off the 9th inning. i'd rather see 3 straight solo shots, at least then he'd be giving them a chance to make outs by putting the ball over the plate

Nymr83 Jun 03 2008 11:23 PM

Wagner comes on and gets the double play to end it on the 2nd pitch. its a save because the tying run was on deck. pretty pathetic that Wagner had to throw at all tonight, not that he's been overworked.

AG/DC Jun 03 2008 11:24 PM

No, I actually thought he should have thrown the ninth anyway, just to get some work in. Thanks, Bill.

Gwreck Jun 03 2008 11:30 PM

Y'know, Schoeneweis has pitched so well this year, I'm willing to just forget that last inning ever happened. I too appreciated the Pedro interview, and the looking at the camera to thank his supporters was a classy touch.

soupcan Jun 04 2008 08:49 AM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I can't get the game on TV... That's just a crying shame. Why is that? I can't imagine that an out of town diehard does not have Extra Innings. Was the game not on for some reason? ="Nymr83"]Wagner comes on and gets the double play to end it on the 2nd pitch. its a save because the tying run was on deck. I fell asleep amid the 8-run inning so didn't see the rest of the game but wasn't it a save because it was 9-6 (3 run diff) when Wags came in?

AG/DC Jun 04 2008 09:08 AM

I think the current rules is that a three-run difference qualifies it as a save only if he pitches at least an inning. So it took the tying run on deck to qualify it.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 04 2008 09:14 AM

Yes, that's right. Three ways to get a save: Pitch the final three innings Pitch the final full inning with a three-run lead or less Come into the game with the tying run on base, at the plate, or on deck

soupcan Jun 04 2008 09:21 AM

Ah. Didn't realize that a full innning had to be pitched. Thanks. As an old family friend used to say - 'Don't a day go by when you don't learn sumthin' 'bout sumthin'.

Frayed Knot Jun 04 2008 10:12 AM

="Benjamin Grimm"]Three ways to get a save: Pitch the final three innings Pitch the final full inning with a three-run lead or less Come into the game with the tying run on base, at the plate, or on deck Are we sure that full inning thing is correct?

seawolf17 Jun 04 2008 10:14 AM

Yep. There was a guy a week or two ago (don't remember the team) who had a save credited, then taken away the next day. He came in with one out in the ninth and a three-run lead and should not have gotten a save.

AG/DC Jun 04 2008 10:17 AM

With a two-run lead, any fraction of the ninth inning counts, because the tying run will always be at least on deck, if not at bat or on the basepaths, when you enter.

seawolf17 Jun 04 2008 11:12 AM

Found it. [url=http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jPUfyPCR4je0YGFmjSiyXr67bsMAD90HKA2G1]Manny Acosta[/url]: Acosta's third save taken away May 8, 2008 ATLANTA (AP) — Manny Acosta lost a save Thursday when an official scorer realized he mistakenly awarded one in the previous night following the Atlanta Braves' 5-2 win over the San Diego Padres. Acosta, the Braves' fill-in closer with Rafael Soriano on the disabled list, entered with a 5-2 lead Wednesday after Will Ohman got the first out of the ninth inning. Soriano retired Callix Crabbe and Khalil Greene to end the game. Braves official scorer Jack Wilkinson awarded Acosta his third save, and the save was included on the boxscore and postgame report. The save was removed following a review by the commissioner's office and the Elias Sports Bureau, baseball's statistician. To qualify for the save, Acosta would have had to start the inning with a three-run lead or enter the game with the potential tying run on base, at the plate or on deck.