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IGT, 6/12, The first game of the rest of our lives

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 10:10 AM

Let's steamroll. According to bfmc, it's SS Jose Reyes RF Endy Chavez 3B David Wright CF Carlos Beltran 1B Carlos Delgado 2B Damion Easley C Ramon Castro LF Fernando Tatis LH Johan Santana

bmfc1 Jun 12 2008 10:20 AM

Thanks for the nod, but it's according to John Delcos: http://mets.lohudblogs.com/

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 10:26 AM

Oh, you thought that was you, bmfc1? No, that was another source of mine named "bfmc."

metirish Jun 12 2008 10:31 AM

From the blog linked above. ] It’s not official, but count on Moises Alou going on the DL again. The Mets are waiting for the MRI results, but Alou just said, “I think the DL is a possibility … I know my body and this feels like more than a few days away.”

Farmer Ted Jun 12 2008 10:38 AM

WTF? Alou plays one game and he's shelved again?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 10:40 AM

That's incorrect: He only played half a game.

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 10:45 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I beliive he's extending a career DL record. Can hardly guess at who'd be close.

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 11:19 AM

And... we're under way. Chris Young goes down swinging. Augie Ojeda is hit by a pitch and reaches. Orlando Hudson flies out to Beltran. Conor Jackson goes down looking at a fastball on the inside part of the plate.

Centerfield Jun 12 2008 11:31 AM

Not a very intimidating lineup the Mets are running out there these days.

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 11:33 AM

A hit and two lineouts in the first inning. We'll see where that gets us.

Gwreck Jun 12 2008 11:41 AM

I like Johan striking out the side in the 2nd. I wish he wouldn't take 22 pitches to do so.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 11:42 AM

Wow. Santana strikes out the side in the second. (And had two in the first.) That's the way to do it when you have Fernando Tatis in left field.

themetfairy Jun 12 2008 11:43 AM

Farmer Ted wrote: WTF? Alou plays one game and he's shelved again? To steal from, um, I mean to quote from [url=http://faithandfear.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2008/6/11/3739914.html]Greg's column yesterday[/url] - ] Alou isn't available (the sun shifted imperceptibly this afternoon, requiring Moises to undergo an MRI).

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 11:46 AM

I guess that means that Alou will go on the DL about 11 days from now.

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 11:47 AM

Castro says: 'Welcome to the house, Haren'

Farmer Ted Jun 12 2008 11:52 AM

Ka-Fucking-Boom

G-Fafif Jun 12 2008 11:53 AM

Ramon loves Eastern Time.

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 11:53 AM

Yeah, he revolted against that 94-MPH fastball. It was pitch number nine also (or two innings for Greg Maddux). I dig when pitchers go that deep into a matchup only to give up a shot. I mean, I dig when opposing pitchers go that deep into a matchup only to give up a shot.

G-Fafif Jun 12 2008 11:54 AM

Ralph and Ron arguing (actually mildly contentious) over Willie removing Pelfrey in the ninth last night. Nice when Kiner is treated like one of the guys.

bmfc1 Jun 12 2008 11:56 AM

G-Fafif wrote: Ramon loves Eastern Time. Admit it: you were sitting there, waiting and hoping to use that line.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 12:00 PM

G-Fafif wrote: Ralph and Ron arguing (actually mildly contentious) over Willie removing Pelfrey in the ninth last night. Nice when Kiner is treated like one of the guys. Who took which position? Me, I would have kept Pelfrey in until there was one more baserunner.

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 12:04 PM

A well-rested David Wright slides into third safely. But we don't have that guy. Honestly, he's been a frequent violator in this year's Great List of Basepath Outs.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 12:16 PM

AG/DC wrote: A well-rested David Wright slides into third safely. But we don't have that guy. Honestly, he's been a frequent violator in this year's Great List of Basepath Outs. Radio guys were saying that not only should Upton have caught Wright's hit, but Wright shoulda been on 3rd but coasted. Laziness all around. Let's thank Orlando Hudson for returning an idiotic favor.

metirish Jun 12 2008 12:18 PM

Wright never coasted like that when Floyd was here.

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 12:20 PM

I'm going to guess David doesn't get pulled for a failure to hustle.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 12:27 PM

Santana's thrown 72 pitches through four. Hopefully he'll get a quick inning or two so we can get him through the 7th inning.

G-Fafif Jun 12 2008 12:27 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: ="G-Fafif"]Ralph and Ron arguing (actually mildly contentious) over Willie removing Pelfrey in the ninth last night. Nice when Kiner is treated like one of the guys. Who took which position? Me, I would have kept Pelfrey in until there was one more baserunner. Ralph didn't want him taken out. Ron thought with a losing streak in progress you go to your closer. Ralph brought up Warren Spahn. You can't argue with Warren Spahn.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 12:28 PM

I'm with Ralph!

G-Fafif Jun 12 2008 12:29 PM

Ralph now giving advice on how to steal signs at second and transmit them to the batter (it's all in how you step off the bag).

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 12:32 PM

What is up with Tatis? As m y cousin Vinny would say, "I got no more use for this guy."

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 12:42 PM

Two out and two on and you're not excited to see him come up, huh? I'm cahnfident that Pascucci gets called when Alou hits the shelf again. Then the two of them are locked in mortal combat with Aguila until Pagan is ready. You don't want to be in mortal combat with a Samoan. Their centers of gravity are wicked low.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 12:51 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 12 2008 12:51 PM

I guess what I don;t get is why Tatis today when Aguila hasta be the better fielder and Santana such a flyballer. Plus, everyone loves Aguila and hates Tatis (today). Santana btw 9 K's, 96 pitches thru 6

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 12:51 PM

Santana through 6: 96 pitches, 9 strikeouts, 2 walks, 2 hits. The pitch count is probably too high to expect him to go the distance, but I do like to see a CG/ShO.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 12:52 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I guess what I don;t get is why Tatis today when Aguila hasta be the better fielder and Santana such a flyballer. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Tatis should only play left field in an emergency. Treat him like he's Rusty Staub in 1985.

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 12:54 PM

Or like he's Dave Kingman in... well, any year after 1975, I guess.

Gwreck Jun 12 2008 01:02 PM

Time for Santana to bear down and get this last out...

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 01:03 PM

Mitsubishi Montero displeasing me.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 01:03 PM

Owings hitting for Haren. Does Valadius have an erection right now?

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 01:04 PM

Bammer.

G-Fafif Jun 12 2008 01:04 PM

AG/DC wrote: Or like he's Dave Kingman in... well, any year after 1975, I guess. Favorite yearbook page of all-time: 1976 Kingman picture with cutouts of boxscores demonstrating his versatility: He plays left! He plays first! He plays third! Rusty treatment for Tatis crossed my mind last week. Nothing's too crazy if it helps win a game.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 01:04 PM

HE STRUCK HIM OUT! Ten K's in 7 innings for Johan.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 01:05 PM

They PHed Owings. Geez. Thanks Bob Melvin!

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 01:08 PM

At least he didn't bunt.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 01:11 PM

Easley's now been plunked twice today. I'm assuming that Willie will PH for Santana this inning. I'm sorta hoping he doesn't.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 01:11 PM

Easley's been drilled twice now. Will he throw down?

bmfc1 Jun 12 2008 01:13 PM

BLASTRO!

G-Fafif Jun 12 2008 01:14 PM

Tony Womack couldn't handle Shea's outfield sun either.

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 01:15 PM

Hug me! Squeeze me! Love me! Tatis me!

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 01:16 PM

Aguila hits for Santana. (Pssst, Willie: Keep in him the game in left field! Late inning defense! Do it!)

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 01:18 PM

He strikes out, Jose doubles, and Endy has two "ribeye steaks" in scoring position with one out.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 01:20 PM

My gamecast is stuck on ball 1 to Tatis. Need rundown

holychicken Jun 12 2008 01:21 PM

Scoring? Past the 6th inning? Against a BP? I don't believe it.

Gwreck Jun 12 2008 01:22 PM

Tatis singles on soft line drive to center field (2 RBI) Aguila strikes out. Reyes double, Tatis to third. Endy up, full count -- and he walks on 11 pitches.

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 01:24 PM

Chavez reaches on the old base on balls. Coaching visit to the mound as Wright approaches the batters box and obsesessively rubs his nose on the inside of his uniform.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 01:28 PM

Wright has to be among the league leaders in fouling out this year.

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 01:31 PM

Aguila in left.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 01:32 PM

AG/DC wrote: Aguila in left. Good move.

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 01:33 PM

AG/DC wrote: Aguila in left. A double-switch which actually brings the pitcher's spot up a bit earlier -- but that's of little concern right now.

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 01:34 PM

Wonder where he got the idea. That was Santana's Cy Youngiest performance of the year, wasn't it? Seven innings, three hits, three walks, ten whiffs, no runs. One can build on that sorta shit.

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 01:35 PM

Somewhere, there's a horse daring Billy Wagner to get back on him.

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 01:37 PM

I was kind of wondering how big a lead we need here. 4 runs is a bit iffy.

metirish Jun 12 2008 01:38 PM

We need those tack on runs , do it damn it.

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 01:39 PM

As I think I was just saying ...

bmfc1 Jun 12 2008 01:40 PM

Wow. After a great run, the BP has become a problem (thank you, Captain Obvious).

metirish Jun 12 2008 01:41 PM

What happened ?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 01:42 PM

Looks like Mark F.U. Reynolds tripled home two runs, that's what.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 01:42 PM

metirish wrote: What happened ? - J. Smith relieved J. Santana - C. Aguila in left field - C. Young grounded out to shortstop - A. Ojeda walked - O. Hudson grounded into fielder's choice, A. Ojeda out at second - C. Jackson singled to right, O. Hudson to second - M. Reynolds tripled to deep center, O. Hudson and C. Jackson scored - J. Upton walked

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 01:43 PM

I suspect the crowd blasting Willie for using Heilman rather than Smith last week (back during Heilman's last bad outing) will suddenly lose their memory over this one.

metirish Jun 12 2008 01:43 PM

Thanks lads , shit is what happened.

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 01:47 PM

- Melvin goes to a lefty PH - so Willie goes to Schoeneweis - so Melvin goes to his remaining righty PH (catcher Casey) ... who flies out on a 3-0 count

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 01:48 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 12 2008 01:48 PM

Y'all be cool, OK? That's what tack-on runs are for, and we gave some to our bullpen to work with today. That's what good teams do.

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 01:48 PM

Listen to me. I've been a winner my whole life.

TransMonk Jun 12 2008 01:49 PM

Schoe-enuff!

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 01:51 PM

AG/DC wrote: That's what tack-on runs are for, and we gave some to our bullpen to work with today. That's what good teams do. Which is why it was annoying when our 3 & 4 hitters popped out with bases loaded the previous frame.

metirish Jun 12 2008 01:52 PM

AG/DC wrote: Listen to me. I've been a winner my whole life. It's true. [url=http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-sppow125724081jun12,0,272636.column]Winner[/url]

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 01:55 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: ="AG/DC"]That's what tack-on runs are for, and we gave some to our bullpen to work with today. That's what good teams do. Which is why it was annoying when our 3 & 4 hitters popped out with bases loaded the previous frame. That's because they didn't listen to my winning ass and give Wright a day off.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 02:02 PM

Mets don't score in the 8th. Fasten your seatbelts, we're going to the ninth! Oh Mister Sandman...?

attgig Jun 12 2008 02:05 PM

way to start off the inning...

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 02:06 PM

Leadoff walk to the 8 hitter. S. Drew pinch hitting for the pitcher.

attgig Jun 12 2008 02:07 PM

gameday doesn't tell much. how did he get a single to reyes, and not even a force out?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 02:07 PM

Meldown is on

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 02:08 PM

Cmon we need the triple play...

HahnSolo Jun 12 2008 02:09 PM

Oh, boy.

attgig Jun 12 2008 02:09 PM

attgig wrote: gameday doesn't tell much. how did he get a single to reyes, and not even a force out? anyone? on drew's single? and now it's down to 1 run.

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 02:10 PM

Walk - infield chop - double - walk unfreakinbelievable

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 02:12 PM

And nobody out. Redneck loudmouth punk

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 02:13 PM

Force at home -- 1 out

attgig Jun 12 2008 02:14 PM

blah!

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 02:15 PM

Another fuckin infield chop and they can't turn the DP -- tie game, 1st & 3rd, 2 outs

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 02:16 PM

All set up for Reynolds to hit another 3-run bomb.

holychicken Jun 12 2008 02:16 PM

God damn it. WTF?

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 02:17 PM

And now our friend Mr. Reynolds again -- and he Ks this time. Hero time, with the top of the order due up.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 02:18 PM

More disgust and contempt.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 02:18 PM

BoooOoooOOOOOOoOooOoOOOoo

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 02:19 PM

Let's get that walk-off homer in the 9th, save us some angst.

Gwreck Jun 12 2008 02:21 PM

Leadoff single works.

holychicken Jun 12 2008 02:22 PM

If it doesn't get done before him, Wright better get it done. That pop-out with the bases juiced a culprit in the blown lead as well.

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 02:24 PM

Well, he went with the Chavez sac bunt. 1 out, Reyes on 2nd I hate this bunt LESS than most others.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 02:27 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: I hate this bunt LESS than most others. True. This is the kind of situation where playing for one run isn't so bad. Still don't like giving up the out, though.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 02:27 PM

Wright and Wagner have got to end their love affair with killing me

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 02:27 PM

Wright robbed of shot down 3B line! 2 outs and they're walking Beltran to get to Delgado.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 02:27 PM

Wright grounds out. Do they pitch to Beltran? Or walk him to get to Delgado. I'd walk him.

G-Fafif Jun 12 2008 02:31 PM

Of course.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 02:31 PM

Delgado walks. Up to Easley now.

G-Fafif Jun 12 2008 02:32 PM

That is of course Delgado is out by the least hairy of hairs.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 02:32 PM

This team is miserable. I can feel myself disconnecting.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 02:33 PM

I'm flashing back to the days of Rick Baldwin and Dwight Bernard.

G-Fafif Jun 12 2008 02:33 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 12 2008 02:43 PM

Aaron sees a red jersey and wants to paint the black...

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 02:35 PM

Heilman coming off 2 innings last ngiht. Upton leding off ... and he doubles

Farmer Ted Jun 12 2008 02:39 PM

It was 4-2 when I left work. I hat this team.

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 02:39 PM

And they follow that with a sac bunt and sac fly and Arizona leads 5-4

Vic Sage Jun 12 2008 02:40 PM

3 blown save in a row, in under a week. wow. When Billy is good, he's very very good, but when he is bad... he is horrid.

Gwreck Jun 12 2008 02:41 PM

Farmer Ted wrote: It was 4-2 when I left work. I hat this team. Banker's hours, huh? We're gonna look really bad for not getting that run in in the 9th inning. ...among other things.

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 02:41 PM

Bring back Mota.

attgig Jun 12 2008 02:41 PM

Gwreck wrote: ="Farmer Ted"]It was 4-2 when I left work. I hat this team. Banker's hours, huh? We're gonna look really bad for not getting that run in in the 9th inning. ...among other things. and the 8th...

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 02:42 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 12 2008 02:43 PM

"3 blown save in a row, in under a week. wow. When Billy is good, he's very very good, but when he is bad... he is horrid." Also doesn't help that even when he's not pitching the rest of the pen has been horrid.

attgig Jun 12 2008 02:43 PM

I'm going to make a 'bold prediction'. Aguila comes up big this inning. (optimism doesn't hurt right?)

bmfc1 Jun 12 2008 02:44 PM

That wuss in the white hat should have reached for it as soon as it was over the bar--it might have impeded Jackson.

G-Fafif Jun 12 2008 02:44 PM

Die...mondbacks.

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 02:45 PM

- Castro pops out - Castillo PHing for pitcher - Aguila due up

AG/DC Jun 12 2008 02:46 PM

Castillo, a knock.

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 02:47 PM

SHITFUCK!!!!

holychicken Jun 12 2008 02:47 PM

Ugh, I can' t believe how close we are to LOSING this game. Santana pitches an absolute gem and we STILL fucking try our best to lose.

attgig Jun 12 2008 02:47 PM

i guess optimism does hurt...

bmfc1 Jun 12 2008 02:49 PM

Wright walks right past Aguila in the dugout. The new guy must feel horrible and I pat on the back would have been nice.

holychicken Jun 12 2008 02:49 PM

Serious fucking fuckshit. God damn this team. I have tickets for tomorrow and I pretty much am just going to throw them in the trash.

HahnSolo Jun 12 2008 02:50 PM

Hmm...Day game loss, well over 24 hours now to sit on this...no travel... would anybody be really surprised if we had someone new filling out the lineup card against the Rangers tomorrow night?

Frayed Knot Jun 12 2008 02:51 PM

Had runners on in the 8th (loaded - 1 out), in the 9th (loaded - 2 outs), and in the 10th (1st - 1 out) and scored NONE of them.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 12 2008 02:55 PM

All they hadda do to win today was to put it in their blueprint to win this game. Then, the D-Backs wouldn'ta had any other choice but to lose this game, what with it being ordained in the blueprint and all. This team can't even make a proper blueprint. I blame Willie.

Vic Sage Jun 12 2008 02:59 PM

show me the plan!

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jun 12 2008 03:06 PM

Ugh. My insides hurt.

holychicken Jun 12 2008 03:16 PM

When do Willie and Omar admit that this season is done and start dismantling the team for prospects?

Centerfield Jun 12 2008 03:18 PM

Worst game of the year. And it's a pretty shitty year at that.

Vic Sage Jun 12 2008 03:35 PM

who, exactly, could they trade for prospects? Your not trading young vets in their prime like Wright and Reyes, or Maine. Not Santana. Church? you just traded a prospect to get him, and he's produced, when healthy. Your not getting any prospects for Schneider, Delgado, Alou or Castillo. Beltran? He's still one of our most productive players, even if he's not having an MVP year. What's the point of having Santana if you don't have support like Beltran? The bench? please. The rest of the rotation? Pelfrey IS a prospect. Ollie and Pedro are FAs. Maybe we can get something for them as rentals, but probably nothing worth losing their upside for the balance of the season. The bullpen? Have you seen it lately? Maybe somebody wants Wags' $10M contract, but its not like we have somebody to step in any time soon. I don't see any moves. There'll be some off-season moves, certainly, but more like tweaking. They are not going to tear down the middle of the team after they just traded for and signed Santana. they're not going to move into their new stadium with a team of prospects and suspects.

bmfc1 Jun 12 2008 03:38 PM

Billy Wagner, whatever you say about him, is tougher than most of the ballplayers. He has a weekly (paid) interview on ESPN radio in NY and he's there now. He could have made something up but he didn't. He also said that if he does his job, the team is doing OK--"I'm not doing my job."

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 03:44 PM

So he has a better brand image than Benitez. BFD.

G-Fafif Jun 12 2008 03:56 PM

I've noticed a couple of times that as soon as the SNYcast is thrown to Matt Yallof, after a horrendous loss, he makes a big point that Heilman or Wagner (those two in particular) is a good guy who we know will be at his locker answering whatever is asked of him. As JCL said, BFD.

holychicken Jun 12 2008 03:59 PM

Vic Sage wrote: who, exactly, could they trade for prospects? Your not trading young vets in their prime like Wright and Reyes, or Maine. Not Santana. Church? you just traded a prospect to get him, and he's produced, when healthy. Your not getting any prospects for Schneider, Delgado, Alou or Castillo. Beltran? He's still one of our most productive players, even if he's not having an MVP year. What's the point of having Santana if you don't have support like Beltran? The bench? please. The rest of the rotation? Pelfrey IS a prospect. Ollie and Pedro are FAs. Maybe we can get something for them as rentals, but probably nothing worth losing their upside for the balance of the season. The bullpen? Have you seen it lately? Maybe somebody wants Wags' $10M contract, but its not like we have somebody to step in any time soon. I don't see any moves. There'll be some off-season moves, certainly, but more like tweaking. They are not going to tear down the middle of the team after they just traded for and signed Santana. they're not going to move into their new stadium with a team of prospects and suspects. BAH! Stop raining on my parade of hate!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 05:24 PM

G-Fafif wrote: I've noticed a couple of times that as soon as the SNYcast is thrown to Matt Yallof, after a horrendous loss, he makes a big point that Heilman or Wagner (those two in particular) is a good guy who we know will be at his locker answering whatever is asked of him. As JCL said, BFD. I in fact blame Matt Yallof for everything. He's the cheerleader disguised as a journalist who goosed everyone's expectations.

Nymr83 Jun 12 2008 05:56 PM

]Billy Wagner, whatever you say about him, is tougher than most of the ballplayers. He has a weekly (paid) interview on ESPN radio in NY and he's there screw that, you're not tough for showing up to a PAID interview. go on, for free, with evan and joe or mike and the mad dog tommorow.

bmfc1 Jun 12 2008 05:57 PM

You guys are right. I give him credit for saying "I suck" after the game but F him.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 12 2008 06:40 PM

Wow! All this venom! Is Wagner a former Atlanta Brave or something?

metirish Jun 12 2008 07:08 PM

I would bet that he is a future Brave.

Grote15 Jun 12 2008 07:57 PM

I guess we are the laughingstock of MLB...The Mets have been perrenial losers since the beginning with several extreme highs. My gripe is that management sold me a bill of goods that 2006 til the present would be something special and the talent appears there As Johhny Rotten said after the last Sex Pistols gig "Did you ever feel cheated" I've never felt cheated by the Mets..but I do by this corporate built to win team that has turned into a nightmare the comes back every night. Heck lets get a few prospects..oops Moises hurt again..and just relax and enjoy the summer

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2008 08:50 PM

="metirish"]I would bet that he is a future Brave. We won't be that lucky. I'm totally unfair to Wags but he was never my favorite guy. My complaint about is part about him being a loudmouth with a history of wearing out his welcomes; and part with the Mets for having solved the "closer problem" they had so lazily and uncreatively: They simply threw the most money at the biggest name, and that happened to be Wagner. And while he brings obvious talent to the mix, the main argument for bringing him in was to take everyone off the hook, allowing the org to throw up their hands and say "What?!? We did the best we could!" when he falters like all closers eventually do. They didn't want the pressure of a "quarterback controversy." They didn't have the courage to give the job to a guy like Heilman. They could have learned from the Looper years that any dude with a decent arm could save 40 games -- as long as he was healthy. They didn't. Of course to get Wagner they not only gave too much $$ but way too much security, basically giving him carte blanche to act like a jackass when it suits him, get the manager fired if he doesn't like him, "courage" to stand up before reporters and blow them away with his humility when he screws up, and a forum to polish his public brand image which he knows will come in handy when those writers consider him on their HOF ballots.