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Ryan Church's Concussion

Gwreck Jun 07 2008 09:49 PM

Gary and Keith did a very fair and even handed analysis of the Ryan Church situation during the 3rd and 4th innings -- apparently he's going to see a neurologist in New York on Monday. He wasn't able to play on Wednesday due to fatigue, and couldn't pinch hit last night. It's abundantly clear that the Mets mishandled his situation from the start by not immediately putting him on the DL. He's done 2 cross-country flights; he's played some but been held out of other games due to symptoms; there was a pinch-hitting appearance that he couldn't even remember. At this point, the fact that they have failed to put Church on the DL is truly incompetence by Omar Minaya and the Mets' staff. All I could keep thinking as Gary and Keith discussed this was "It's not too late! He hasn't played in the last 4 games. Put him on the DL NOW!!!!"

Elster88 Jun 07 2008 09:59 PM

Incompentence.

metirish Jun 07 2008 10:40 PM

It seems like they left it too much up to Ryan himself , never a good thing to ldo that I thnk, especially a guy who just got here and is no doubt a gamer and wants to play. Gary said that when asked Willie said we don't know a lot about this in baseball, I don't buy that, it's 2007 for fecks sake.

AG/DC Jun 07 2008 11:02 PM

Met medical staff.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 08 2008 07:53 AM

And since they know he's not playing on Saturday and Sunday, why are they keeping him in San Diego? Get him back to New York BY GROUND now so he can see a doctor. If they put him on a plane AGAIN after Sunday's game, the entire medical staff should be fired.

metirish Jun 08 2008 10:23 AM

Or as Keith pointed out , why can't Church see a neurologist here in SD?.

TheOldMole Jun 08 2008 01:21 PM

2008.

Zvon Jun 08 2008 01:58 PM Re: Ryan Church's Concussion

="Gwreck"] It's abundantly clear that the Mets mishandled his situation from the start by not immediately putting him on the DL. He's done 2 cross-country flights; he's played some but been held out of other games due to symptoms; there was a pinch-hitting appearance that he couldn't even remember. At this point, the fact that they have failed to put Church on the DL is truly incompetence by Omar Minaya and the Mets' staff. Agreed. Some guys sit out with hang nails and when I see an injury like this.... I was just amazed that he wasn't out for two weeks at least. And when he said he couldn't remember an at-bat after...: BIG RED FLAGS here. This one I'll never understand and I will hang it on Omar and Willie.

Rockin' Doc Jun 08 2008 02:36 PM

It sometimes seems as if the Mets have a hard time finding doctors they trust to evaluate their players. During spring training, they often sent players back to New York to get MRI's and evaluations, as if they couldn't find someone to do the test for them in Florida. Now they keep flying Church around the country so he can sit on the bench and be unavailable to play most days. He should have had a thorough neurological evaluation with an MRI immediately following his injury and appropriate treatment based upon the results of the examination. The American Medical Assoiciation and American Academy of Neurology have established criteria for grading the seriousness of a concussion in athletes and the general public. Protocols as to when an athlete should resume normal activities and resume competition have been established. In general, an athlete suffering a concussion should be withheld from competition until they are completely free of any and all symptoms (headches, nauseau, amnesia, visual disturbances, dizziness, et al) for a minimum of one week. Having suffered a concussion earlier in the spring, Church's condition should have been handled with greater caution since the susceptibilty to subsequent concussions is greatly increased with each prior episode. Who knows what evaluations Church has undergone in the aftermath of this concussion, but it appears the Mets (and/or Church) have been extremely reluctant to take the time off he needs to rest and safely safely recover.

Nymr83 Jun 08 2008 09:32 PM Re: Ryan Church's Concussion

Gwreck wrote: At this point, the fact that they have failed to put Church on the DL is truly incompetence by Omar Minaya and the Mets' staff. its incompetence on the GM's part to not listen to your medical staff, if they say he can play you listen, if they say he can't you listen.

Gwreck Jun 09 2008 06:12 PM

Church [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3434441]to DL[/url], no corresponding roster move announced yet.

themetfairy Jun 09 2008 06:18 PM

FINALLY! I hope that no lasting damage was done in the past couple of weeks when he should have been resting.

AG/DC Jun 09 2008 06:23 PM

About timey. Valentin has come up with a sore elbow and since then has been limited to DHing and not doing a good job of it. Aguilar and Pascucci are in tonight's lineup for New Orleans. Victor Mendez is not, but he's seemingly the least of the options. Raul Gonzalez hasn't been activated yet, so maybe he's going from the Mexican League right back to the show.

G-Fafif Jun 09 2008 06:27 PM

Alou allegedly ready to come off tomorrow (or any day now, which is Moises' most injury-free day of any week).

metirish Jun 09 2008 07:46 PM

themetfairy wrote: FINALLY! I hope that no lasting damage was done in the past couple of weeks when he should have been resting. yeah I hope he will be OK , sure to take time though , it's different but I remember Eric Lindros was never the same after according to him the Flyers medical staff made a mess of concussions he suffered while paying there.

Gwreck Jun 10 2008 03:07 PM

John Delcos buries Omar and staff on this issue [url=http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/06/10/shameful/]here[/url]. ="John Delcos"] Shameful... The Mets should be ashamed of how they handled the Ryan Church situation. On all levels. Church said he told the team he felt he could play and absolves the team of all blame. He’s being the good soldier. And, don’t forget, he was thinking with a head injury. I asked Omar Minaya, sarcastically, I admit, where Church got his medical degree so he could make such a decision. The Mets weren’t happy with the question and told me so, and my response was to tell them I still thought they mishandled the situation. I even got a nasty e-mail from someone, asking who I was to question Minaya. Whoa. I am supposed to question authority in my business and not drink the Kool-Aid. Of course, I haven’t gotten an apology email from that gutless wonder. Fact is, they never should have flown Church to Colorado. They should have never put him in the situation to make a decision. They should have known after the first concussion not to fool around. He should have been on the DL immediately. All this you can find on this blog’s archives at the time. If what the Mets are saying is true, that the doctors said Church was all right, then those doctors should be fired, and I mean RIGHT NOW. Inexcusable. Then again, why weren’t the Mets smart enough to get a second opinion? For that matter, why didn’t Church’s agent? How about acting in the best interest of your client? Willie Randolph said concussions weren’t common in baseball and little is known about them. When I asked if the team didn’t seek advice from the Giants, Jets or Rangers, who deal with concussions all the time, he said he didn’t think so. Well, why the hell not? And, by the way, plenty is known about concussions. Also, while I’m in full attack mode right now, how as manager can you not know what the front office is doing regarding your best player so far this year? If you don’t know, then ask somebody who does. Minaya is at fault for not making the DL decision earlier and not seeking a second opinion. Randolph is at fault for not benching him completely. The training staff is at fault for not insisting Church should sit or finding out more. The Wilpons are at fault for letting this nonsense go on underneath their ownership. And, while we’re at it, the players association is at fault for being asleep at the switch. They make a big stink out of limiting the testing for steroids and even suggesting collusion in not signing Barry Bonds, but when the health of one of their members is at question, where is Don Fehr? He’ll say this is a team’s business, but that’s bull. As a union, your first priority is to protect your membership. The Mets got chippy when I and other reporters questioned what the team’s priority was, the health of the player or putting the best team on the field. Can’t see an apology coming from them, either. Just dumb and arrogant from top to bottom. They should be ashamed, but I doubt they have that capability.

HahnSolo Jun 10 2008 03:11 PM

It troubles me somewhat that the Mets went out of their way to go after a writer, or blogger, for a sarcastic, though not meritless, question. Also, I should say that I think Delcos is spot on, particularly regarding the players association.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 10 2008 03:21 PM

I've never heard of this Delcos guy. (Who is he?) He sounds like a jerk, but I do agree with what he's saying.

Gwreck Jun 10 2008 03:36 PM

Delcos is the Mets beat reporter for the Journal News (the Westchester/Rockland paper). In my opinion, his blog is among the best of the Mets beat reporters (only Adam Rubin of the Daily News and perhaps David Lennon of Newsday have better ones).

bmfc1 Jun 10 2008 04:26 PM

Gwreck wrote: Delcos is the Mets beat reporter for the Journal News (the Westchester/Rockland paper). In my opinion, his blog is among the best of the Mets beat reporters (only Adam Rubin of the Daily News and perhaps David Lennon of Newsday have better ones). Delcos does a great job. He answers questions from fans during the game and seems to enjoy reading fans comments. It's pathetic that a Mets staffer went after him for asking a tough question.

AG/DC Jun 10 2008 08:49 PM

Sounds intolerable.

Elster88 Jul 01 2008 10:02 PM

I think Ryan Church's return makes this an above-average lineup. Even though it's not going to happen, Alou makes it a very good lineup.

AG/DC Jul 01 2008 10:17 PM

I'm going to go ahead and declare that Delcos being right (after the fact) about the Mets' decisions doesn't mean he can abuse his media access by being a sarcastic jerk to folks giving him media access.