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Jerry Koosman, 'Big, Strong German'
G-Fafif Jun 15 2008 11:33 AM |
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Steve Serby does [url=http://www.nypost.com/seven/06152008/sports/mets/serbys_sunday_qa_with____115569.htm?page=0]Q&A[/url] with Tom Seaver. Seaver sounds like Seaver, which is always a bit more off-center than I'm prepared for.
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MFS62 Jun 15 2008 11:55 AM |
Regarding the thread title (thanks for the post, by the way).
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 16 2008 08:08 AM |
Those remarks on Ryan were interesting. What exactly is he saying?
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metirish Jun 16 2008 08:16 AM |
Never heard that about Ryan and his missus before , had she a stalker?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 16 2008 08:18 AM |
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Oh great, now I have to read this:
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Benjamin Grimm Jun 16 2008 08:28 AM |
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It would be more interesting if it was the other way around. Although, I hear that the chapter that describes the puppet show that Richard Nixon put on for her is especially fascinating.
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AG/DC Jun 16 2008 08:28 AM |
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Ruth Ryan was not only hot, but she was way ahead of her time by wearing baby doll pigtails in public.
That's a strong metaphor.
All that tension in the air and you go for coffee?
Is he implying that this interfered with Ryan's performance through most of his Met career? (I think he is, though he'd probably dial that back on followup.) Also, on one hand he says this frustrated him "to death," and, on the other, he says Ryan was "rightfully bothered." Not a direct contradiction, but something I'd want clarified.
The more I think about it, the more I think that Mets assembling a real offense in the seventies might have put Koosman in the Hall of Fame.
This is cool.
This isn't cool.
I may have this wrong, but he once told a story of Aaron (I think) coming into the clubhouse, mistaking him for a clubhouse assistant, and telling Seaver to get him a Coke, and responding "Get your own fucking Coke; I'm on the team." Was that Aaron? Because that's not really a "scared to death" response."
Bollux. It won't be blown up anyway, but --- now that you're allowed in the Country Club --- it's easy to cheer on the establishment of a Country Club stadium.
Of course. A pro's pro.
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G-Fafif Jun 16 2008 08:32 AM |
Last week, Nolan was a guest with Joe Benigno and Evan Roberts on the FAN, promoting the interactive Minor League FunFest (like All-Star FanFest). Joe asked about his problems with New York. Nolan said that wasn't what held him back, it was his military obligations costing him regular work.
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AG/DC Jun 16 2008 08:38 AM |
Amazon says "80 Used & new from $0.01."
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 16 2008 08:48 AM |
Nobody ever mentions how brutal the second half of 1971 was for Ryan:
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G-Fafif Jun 16 2008 08:48 AM |
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That was Lou Brock. Aaron had, at another time in his rookie year, left him a copy of one of his many autobiographies. The disdain for Grant is remarkably consistent for 31 years. Seaver said many of the same things in a postmortem Sport magazine ran in '77. Either Seaver is a world-class grudgeholder or Grant really was as bad as we've all assumed he was. Or both.
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G-Fafif Jun 16 2008 08:50 AM |
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Don't take my judgment for golden because it was the judgment of a not-quite nine-year-old hung up on stats and skewed by the presence of a 20-10, 289 Ks, 1.76 ERA future Hall of Famer on the same staff, but I swear, when it was announced Nolan Ryan, I was fine with it. "This guy walks too many people and he doesn't win enough" was my nuanced take. To my credit, I asked, in the same breath, "Jim Fregosi? To play third? But he's a shortstop...and kind of old, isn't he?"
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Vince Coleman Firecracker Jun 16 2008 08:54 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 16 2008 09:04 AM |
Cool interview. Found [url=http://www.nydailynews.com/features/bronxisburning/yankees/mets/]this article[/url] while bumping around the internets.
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AG/DC Jun 16 2008 08:56 AM |
Thanks for clearing that up. M. Donald Grant, 94, Dies; Executive Angered Mets Fans
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Benjamin Grimm Jun 16 2008 08:59 AM |
From what I remember of the Ryan trade, it was well received in the press at the time it was made. I hadn't heard of Fregosi, although I did have his 1971 baseball card. I also remember reading on the flip side of Gil Hodges' posthumous 1972 card that with Fregosi, the Mets would be "contenders all the way." (Or something to that effect.)
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G-Fafif Jun 16 2008 09:03 AM |
That obit was taped to the cash register at a midtown hotel barber shop nine years ago. I had to ask the barber if Mr. Grant was a customer. Sure was, he said -- and what a nice man.
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 16 2008 09:12 AM |
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Join? Some of those Mets could probably buy the Country Club.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 16 2008 09:21 AM |
If Grant wasn't an actual blueblood his attitudes were. He behaved until the end that owners were "sportsmen" who ran the team with a spirit of generosity and fairness for the people, and that the "help" had some nerve to interfere with that.
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Frayed Knot Jun 16 2008 10:48 AM |
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That was about my reaction too. For years I didn't regret getting rid of Ryan - only the return we got for him. Even though much of his Angels years I thought of him as a decent (though hardly great) and wildly-inconsistent pitcher whose rep was better than the product on account of the High-K numbers, those occasionally spectacular outings, plus the fact that the networks had just discovered radar guns. And later when he signed with Houston my reaction was that HE was the guy who just became MLB's first $1million dollar/year player?!? What he became, of course, was a much better pitcher in his 30s than he ever was in his twenties, and the longevity he was able to put together is something no one would have bet on.
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Benjamin Grimm Jun 16 2008 11:09 AM |
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Steroids. As I said in another thread, Ryan is very lucky that the hell that has rained down on Clemens hasn't hit him as well.
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metsguyinmichigan Jun 16 2008 12:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 16 2008 01:00 PM |
I always give more rancor to Young than Grant, and I think Seaver hit the nail on the head.
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AG/DC Jun 16 2008 12:14 PM |
Yeah, but it's pretty established that he was sicced on the attack by Grant himself, and had a questionable relationship with Grant that suggested a little tit-for-tat going on.
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