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metirish
Jun 24 2008 10:56 AM

T.J. Simers seems a bit bitter himself.

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T.J. Simers: Gary Carter is suddenly a dead-end kid

Hall of Fame catcher is managing in Fullerton because no one in the majors will give him the time of day.


June 24 2008


I don't know Gary Carter. Never met the guy until Monday.

I know he's a Hall of Fame catcher, a Dodger for a season, born in Culver City, raised in Fullerton, a local high school field named for him, the most accommodating player to fans and media, but a controversial figure in New York recently and working now as manager of the Orange County Flyers.

Nothing against the Flyers, who are in first place under Carter, but the next step down after games against the Outlaws and Scorpions is out of baseball. There might not be a wider gap than the Hall of Fame and the Golden Baseball League.

And it's pretty hard to explain. It almost makes you wonder if "Kid," as he was known in the big leagues, has been blackballed by baseball.

"Sure does," says Kid.

He has undergone 17 surgeries, and I know this, because I say hello, ask why he's working here, and he launches into "this is my life."

Details, details, and he remembers each one, beginning with his right knee, and what that has to do with managing the Flyers, I don't know.

Eleven surgeries on both knees, he says, and it's on to the thumbs, a little toe, and I'm expecting to learn it's not really a prerequisite to be down on your luck in Fullerton -- as it is to be down for the count.

But he's moving, picking up a case of water and negotiating a flight of stairs in the Flyers' clubhouse that appears aimed to heaven -- back for a second trip on those rebuilt knees for a case of beer. Amazing how folks can push themselves when motivated.

He spent his own money at Costco to fill the refrigerator so the guys who make almost no money playing for the Flyers can get a feel of what Carter is talking about when he mentions "the mountaintop."

He was up there for 18 years, most of them in Montreal, several more in New York before stops in San Francisco and L.A. -- 101 games for the Dodgers in 1991 and then a final year in Montreal. An All-Star 11 times, three Gold Gloves and second in MVP voting one year.

"Baseball has given me my identity," he says, "and everything I could possibly ask for, or dream of having."

But he fibs, and you don't really have to spend much time with Carter to know that, because he's still driven to be a manager in the major leagues, and for some inexplicable reason, he says, his phone is not ringing.

The team he played for most of his career, the Expos, no longer exists, and so much for those opportunities. They became the Nationals, and in Washington they pay homage to the Senators rather than the Expos, so AaronBoone is wearing Carter's retired No. 8 jersey.

Carter's Expos jersey hangs in the arena where the Montreal hockey team plays. And I thought the last rung of the ladder was Fullerton.

He loves the Mets, but they don't seem to think much of him. A few years back, he managed one of their minor league teams and won, a year later did it again and won a title, but then he didn't go along with the plan -- the one that had him advancing to yet another minor league post.

He won't go, he tells them, unless the Mets assure him it will lead to Shea Stadium. He spends the next year out of work.

He admits now, he misplayed his hand. He also gets a chance to interview with Ned Colletti's Dodgers and manage Las Vegas, but gets the brush-off.

"Still no idea why," says Carter, recruited to play quarterback for UCLA before pursuing baseball instead. "Took them less than 30 seconds on the phone to say they didn't need me."

Mike Scioscia could relate.

Carter sent letters to 29 teams with his resume attached, and got 10 responses. "Mostly form letters," he says, coming home at times to ask his wife if anything had come in the mail only to get the message in the most agonizing way. "Nothing."

He begins ticking off the names of others who have been given the chance to manage, mentioning the "pictures Joe Girardi must have on Steinbrenner," and so a job with the Yankees is also probably out of the question.

He doesn't understand any of it, everything he has to offer, and everyone settling for so much less. He goes to work for the Flyers, 22 players, a salary cap of $83,000 for the year and "Roger Clemens makes that with one pitch," Carter says.

He signs a contract allowing him to leave for a job in the majors, and a short time later a radio station calls to ask him about beleaguered Mets manager Willie Randolph.

It takes only a few minutes with Carter to know how confident he is in his own abilities. And why not? He set out to make the majors by age 20, earn $100,000 by age 25 and is now an honored resident of Cooperstown.

He believes he can do anything, telling the story about his time with the Dodgers, "May 7, and I've got 15 at-bats, one start where I went three for four against the Braves, throwing out three runners, one of them Deion Sanders and Tommy is playing Mike [Piazza]. . . ."

There's more, the Dodgers obviously better off with Carter at catcher as he tells it -- the competitive athlete always driven to be the guy no matter what.

And so here he is, being asked what he thinks about Randolph's situation, and of course he thinks he could do a better job. So he wants the Mets to know he's available.

Former teammate Keith Hernandez trashes him, the New York media pile on and Carter backtracks but today contends he did nothing wrong.

"I'm here because I want to manage in the major leagues one day, so what am I supposed to say when asked if I'd be interested?"

Another time, another place and it blows over, but New York is probably his best shot at getting back into big-time baseball, and now it's gone too.

"It hurts," he says, banished to Fullerton and then buried on top of it. "I thought, what the heck did I do to cause this?

"But hey, I'm not bitter, and will not be bitter. I'm too grateful for everything baseball has given me, and if this is it. . . ."

It's time to go, a ballgame in a few hours and his third baseman waiting outside to tell him he has another opportunity and Carter may need to find another infielder.

"Our highest-paid player," but he's not concerned, Carter says, because as manager, the Flyers have the guy to make the best of it.

T.J. Simers can be reached at t.j.simers@latimes.com. To read previous columns by Simers, go to latimes.com/simers.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 24 2008 11:07 AM

]"I thought, what the heck did I do to cause this?


Gary never led the league in self-awareness, did he?

AG/DC
Jun 24 2008 11:18 AM

]He begins ticking off the names of others who have been given the chance to manage, mentioning the "pictures Joe Girardi must have on Steinbrenner," and so a job with the Yankees is also probably out of the question.


That's sort of a new low, isn't it?

I've said it before, but lack of self-awareness is epidemic these days.

seawolf17
Jun 24 2008 11:50 AM

I love Gary Carter, but he isn't entitled to anything, and he's acting like a spoiled baby.

AG/DC
Jun 24 2008 11:58 AM

Don't forget being obscenely dishonest, and grossly underestimating the intelligence of his audience.

seawolf17
Jun 24 2008 12:07 PM

AG/DC wrote:
Don't forget being obscenely dishonest, and grossly underestimating the intelligence of his audience.

But really, isn't that what you want in a major league manager?

Or for that matter, any employee? Sorry, Gary.

Nymr83
Jun 24 2008 01:02 PM

AG/DC wrote:
]He begins ticking off the names of others who have been given the chance to manage, mentioning the "pictures Joe Girardi must have on Steinbrenner," and so a job with the Yankees is also probably out of the question.


That's sort of a new low, isn't it?

I've said it before, but lack of self-awareness is epidemic these days.


i was about to copy and paste the same section of the article. this guy burns bridges and lobbies for jobs that belong to other people and then he is dumbfounded that nobody wants him

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 24 2008 01:06 PM

This must be what Keith means by "unconscious."

AG/DC
Sep 07 2008 12:38 PM
Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Sep 08 2008 09:07 AM

From The Gamer: An 11-Time All-Star's Inside Story of the Pain, Grit, Guts, and Glory of Life in the Majors by Gary Carter, with Ken Abraham.



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Dodger Blues



I
f I had known then what I know now, I may have told the Dodgers, "thanks, but no thanks." I supppose I should have seen the signposts, pointing the direction the Dodgers were going, but my vision was impaired by my passion to play professional baseball. Or perhaps, I just didn't want to be confused by the facts.

I didn't expect any special treatment by the Dodgers just because I was a veteran ballplayer. I've never expected special treatment anywhere I have played. I've never made unusual demands of management, my fellow players, or the clubhouse boy who collects our uniforms after each game for cleaning. It's just not part of my nature to presume upon people, especially for privileges or perks.

Nevertheless, I was suprised the first day of spring training by the lack of respect with which I was greeted by the Dodgers. I've seen rookies who were given more respect than I was. It started early, with the distribution of the uniform numbers. I requested a uniform with the number eight. Instead, I was given number twelve and told that I couldn't have eight because that was Joey Amalfitano's number. Joey Amalfitano is almost as much of a mainstay with the Dodgers as is Tommy Lasorda. He's been there for ages as a coach. I could understand his being possessive about his number.

But between you and me, who really cares what number a coach wears on his uniform? Quick. Can you give the number of a single coach in the big leagues (of those not yet in the hall of fame)? even most managers' uniform numbers are totally forgettable, unless they choose number one, or, as in Tommy Lasorda's case, number two.

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But to most players, their uniform number holds some special significance. I'm not superstitious at all, but the number eight has always been meaningful to me. For one thing, I was born in Culver City on April 8, 1954. Sandy and I married on February 8, 1975. We moved into our first home in California on November 8 of that same year. Except for my rookie year, eight is the only number I have ever worn as a major leaguer. My business interests are incorporated as Kid-8 Worldwide. I have a KID-8 license plate on my car... okay, so maybe I'm fonder of eight than the average guy.

The uniform numbers game can be real touchy subject with ballplayers. Darryl Strawberry, my former Mets teammate with whom I was happy to be reunited as a Dodger, had to change number from eighteen to forty-four when he made the transition to L.A. Bill Russell, a Dodgers' coach, has worn number eighteen for years, and was not about to give it to Darryl. Strawberry settled for number forty-four, the number of his good freind and onetime Cincinnati Reds' star, Eric Davis. Ironically, a year later Eric was traded to the Dodgers and had to settle for thirty-three.

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Rockin' Doc
Sep 07 2008 03:46 PM

Kid needs a btter prouf reader and editer.

TheOldMole
Sep 07 2008 04:14 PM

Somebody's gotta stick up for the Kid. He turned the Mets around, and he knows baseball. I'd give him a shot.

AG/DC
Sep 07 2008 08:46 PM

That's the thing. This is him sticking up for himself. It's not like I added anything.

I have no doubt that he knows baseball. But the Mets gave him a shot, and it came to the end of the line when he made it clear he had to put his own interests first. Which he's entitled to do.

Yes, he knows the game. But he didn't turn the Mets around. The team had reversed field the season before. I have no doubt that he helped them get better, but it's also not that hard to imagine them doing just as well with Hubie.

Centerfield
Sep 08 2008 08:27 AM

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
This must be what Keith means by "unconscious."


Interesting choice of words. I refer to it as "stupid".

attgig
Sep 08 2008 08:51 AM

I'm with the mole.... why does everyone on this board hate him so much?

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 08 2008 08:55 AM

I think it's refreshing that we Mets fans will call out one of our old heroes when he acts like a jerk.

And he's been acting like a jerk.

AG/DC
Sep 08 2008 08:59 AM

Let me know where the hate is when you find it. At least one poster carries his picture as an avatar

Carter has complained publickly that he got a bad deal from the Mets --- putting Met fans in a position of having to judge between them in this matter.

Gary is:

1) A Hall of Famer
2) A key part (catcher and clean-up hitter) on the best squad the Mets ever rolled out.
3) A hard worker in his day
4) A notable self-promoter

In that last role, he asks us to judge whether he is what he says he is, or whether his situation is what he claims it to be.

I read his 13-year-old or so book. I posted a relevant excerpt. The only hateful thing there is that I might supress sales. But it's out of print anyhow.