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Tiger Stadium in its death throes

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 09 2008 11:49 AM

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Tiger Stadium’s outfield walls begin coming down

By BEN LEUBSDORF, Associated Press Writer

Demolition equipment stands outside Tiger Stadium in Detroit, Monday, June 30, 2008. Crews began the process of tearing down the baseball stadium Monday; most of the demolition work involved the removal of trash and other debris from the interior of the ballpark. An Aug. 1 deadline still stands for a nonprofit group seeking to raise enough money to save part of the stadium.

DETROIT (AP)Demolition crews smashed the historic walls of Tiger Stadium on Wednesday, punching through to the interior of the ballpark that stood for decades.

Outfield walls cleared by baseball legends Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle as well as Detroit Tiger sluggers Norm Cash and Cecil Fielder came down as two contractors intensified their efforts to bring down the venerable park.

Backhoes and excavators, sometimes hard to see through dust and spraying water, whizzed around the site, picking up debris and dumping it in oversized bins. During one flurry Wednesday morning, an excavator smashed through the exterior wall beyond left field, throwing support girders to the side.

The scene was tough to take for longtime Tigers fan Chas Matreal and his 23-year-old son, Ryan.

"All beautiful memories," Chas Matreal said. "It is something beautiful that we’re destroying, and it’s history."

The 49-year-old bricklayer from Milford said he attended 400 to 500 games at Tiger Stadium, many with his own father, starting in 1966.

Farrow Group owner Michael Farrow said crews planned to spend all day demolishing some of the stadium’s massive concrete walls.

The Detroit contractor and MCM Management Corp. of suburban Bloomfield Hills started demolition of the ballpark last week.

They expect to make an estimated $1 million by selling scrap from the park.

City officials say an Aug. 1 deadline still stands for a nonprofit group to raise enough funds to preserve the field and part of the stadium between first and third base.

AG/DC
Jul 09 2008 12:05 PM

Damn.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 09 2008 12:11 PM

I only attended two games there (both during the same weekend in 1988) but I just loved Tiger Stadium. I liked it better than Wrigley or Fenway. It had all the charms of an older stadium without the bitter taste that trendiness adds.

Of course, if it was as trendy as Wrigley and Fenway, the Tigers would still be playing there.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 09 2008 12:12 PM

Oh, and I was glad to read that Tiger Stadium had some influence on the design of Citi Field. (The overhanging outfield porch.)

metirish
Jul 09 2008 12:13 PM

That's tough , surely one of the great stadiums in the world of sports.

Frayed Knot
Jul 09 2008 12:28 PM

Fans generally loved Tiger Stadium - to which those who played and worked there said; "yeah you love it because you don't have to play or work there"

iow, nice seats but small, cramped and falling apart.

metsguyinmichigan
Jul 09 2008 12:42 PM

Tiger Stadium was a wonderful place. When we lived in Flint, about an hour away, we went to a game once a homestand -- at least until kids arrived. I even got to see the final game, which was neat.

As sad as it is to see it torn down, it has been even sadder to see it falling apart for the past eight years. It's practically downtown, and became a part of the blight that is Detroit.

I liked it much, much better than Comerica Park.

When the All-Star Game was here in 05, one of the columnists -- Gammons, I think -- wrote that people understood that Tiger Stadium needed to be replaced. "But to replace it with this is a disappointment."

I did a story one year about all the work that goes into preparing for the season. A photog and I had total run of the place, the rooms that are usually off-limits. We were even walking around on the roof boxes that were added years ago for the Lions. All kinds of neat things.

G-Fafif
Jul 09 2008 01:03 PM

My only game there was the 14-0 shutout the Mets endured the first year of Interleague play. And I didn't mind more than one bit. What a great place. Like old Comiskey, baseball just oozed out its pores.

I actually planted a kiss (via my hand) on Tiger Stadium as I left. Don't want to think about what I'll do to Shea Stadium its last day (or, come to think of it, what Klapisch will do to MFY II before the authorities drag him away on morals violations).

Anyway, it's time to let Tiger Stadium rest with some dignity. The pictures of it decaying haven't been pretty.

soupcan
Jul 09 2008 01:06 PM

This article and accompanying pictures were in the New York Times in May...


]May 11, 2008

Tiger Stadium Faces Partial Demolition Amid Opposition

By JOE LAPOINTE

DETROIT — After the Tigers played on opening day, a pickup truck full of guys drove across Woodward Avenue from Comerica Park on the near East Side to old Tiger Stadium on the near West Side, a mile or so away.

They entered the abandoned stadium through a large locked door by using an attachment to the front of their vehicle as a battering ram. They crashed the gate and took an unguided tour until approached by a security guard.

“My guard said, ‘What are you guys doing?’ ” said Fred Rottach, who supervises the place for the city. “They jumped back in the truck and drove away.”

This is extreme behavior even for touchy-feely fans whose affection for the ballpark is well known. Before the Tigers left in 1999, a booster club sponsored two group hugs in which devotees linked arms and gave the stadium a squeeze.

Since then, various plans for redevelopment have come and gone. The stadium sits empty. Late last year, the city auctioned mementos like grandstand seats, a dugout urinal, Al Kaline’s locker and the fence in front of the right-center-field light tower, hit by a Reggie Jackson home run in the 1971 All-Star Game. Last month, the city tentatively awarded a partial demolition contract for the stadium, which opened in 1912 as Navin Field.

An opposition group, the Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy, has until June 1 to raise $369,000 to try to save part of Tiger Stadium, even temporarily. The group includes Ernie Harwell, the retired Tigers radio broadcaster.

If that goal is reached, Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, said he would seek greater financing in the 2009 federal budget to preserve the oldest part of the structure around the infield and redevelop the playing field for amateur teams.

“The field is sort of sacred ground,” Levin said in a telephone interview.

Levin, who grew up in Detroit, said he attended the 1945 World Series in the ballpark, then known as Briggs Stadium, after Hank Greenberg returned from World War II to help clinch the pennant. The grounds around Michigan and Trumbull need a commercial development plan, Levin said, to coincide with a historical renovation, even if only the stadium’s corner footprint is saved.

Jeff Wattrick, a spokesman for the conservancy, said three “civic-minded philanthropic groups” had discussed contributing money to stave off a full demolition that may begin in weeks. But he said he could not reveal their names because he did not want to spread false optimism.

“So many different plans have come and gone,” he said. “We sensed a real fatigue.”

Wattrick said the Tigers had not expressed much interest in the effort. A team spokesman, Rob Matwick, said he wished the group well but added little else. “We do not have an active role,” he said.

Complicating everyone’s calculations is the deal the Detroit Economic Development Corporation made with the two demolition companies that have promised to tear down Tiger Stadium for the scrap steel, copper, aluminum, brass and nickel they can salvage.

It would take less than a year to demolish, said Waymon Guillebeaux, a vice president of the Detroit Economic Growth Corporation. But it would be even faster and cheaper, he said, to tear the place down without preserving even a corner.

So the demolition companies have promised to pay the city $300,000 if they do not have to preserve the corner piece, Guillebeaux said. But they want an answer by June 1, he said. The companies — MCM Management Corporation of Bloomfield Hills and the Farrow Group of Detroit — did not respond to a request for comment.

Guillebeaux said that his group was cooperating with the preservationists, but that the economic downturn discouraged such plans. Detroit has been hit harder than many cities. “To try to raise money to just hold on to a portion of an old stadium might not be easy,” he said, adding that developers would be more interested if the site were cleared.

The stadium’s outfield is thick and green but much shaggier than a major league field. Dandelions speckle it with yellow. A short, skinny tree protrudes from the concrete in the lower deck where the box seats used to be. What was once the pitcher’s mound is now round and flat.

The lower deck and parts of the upper deck have almost no seats. Rottach, the city’s overseer of the property and a native East Sider, walked across the field and recalled the 1968 Tigers winning a World Series game there and all the championship football games between the city’s public and Catholic leagues.

He also turned a measured eye to the present and said that remaining structural pieces are valuable. They are from the first half of the 20th century. “The steel is the highest of the high grades,” he said. “Steel was cheap then.”

Adding that all metal prices had “gone through the roof,” Rottach said the demolition would be a green project with about 85 percent of the materials recycled.

Under sun and blue sky, he walked beneath the upper deck in right field, which hangs over the warning track and once turned apparent flyouts into home runs.

One spectator impressed by this architectural feature in the 1960s was Jeff Wilpon, the chief operating officer of the Mets. He used to visit Detroit to see his grandfather, who would take him to baseball games in the summer and to Lions games on Thanksgiving.

So Wilpon insisted that the new Mets stadium have a similar overhang in right field. “You’re in fair territory,” Wilpon said of those seats. “We copied that a little bit.”

Whatever the stadium’s fate, the neighbors are eager for something to happen because the area is not dormant. The land lies near a casino hotel, a recent arrival.

Nearby residential neighborhoods include a new subdivision with streets named after Motown artists like Marvin Gaye and Martha Reeves and a revived 19th-century neighborhood called Corktown, once populated by Irish immigrants.

Timothy J. McKay, executive director of the Greater Corktown Development Corporation, said he supported the preservation attempt but added that the conservancy would have to entice investors.

“We want to see some changes,” he said.

Knowledge of history is a critical part of healing an inner city, McKay said.

He added: “This is an old city. But history here is discounted by a lot of people.”



What used to be the pitcher’s mound
is now round and flat amid the weeds.





Tiger Stadium, which opened in 1912 as Navin Field, may be nearing its final days. Last year, the city of Detroit
tentatively awarded a partial demolition contract for the stadium.



The structure has been empty since 1999 when the Detroit Tigers moved to Comerica Park, about a mile away.
Dandelions grow in the outfield, which is thick, green and much shaggier than a major league field.



Late last year, the city auctioned mementos like grandstand seats, a dugout urinal, Al Kaline's locker and the fence in
front of the right-center-field light tower, hit by a Reggie Jackson home run in the 1971 All-Star Game.



There are almost no seats left in the lower decks and parts of the upper deck.



The remaining structural pieces are valuable. The steel, from the first half of the 20th century, is of the highest grade.


Two demolition companies have promised to tear the stadium down in exchange for the scrap steel, copper, aluminum,
brass and nickel they can salvage.



Demolition would take less than a year, but would happen even faster
and cheaper without preserving any corner of it.



About 85 percent of the materials would be recycled, making the demolition a green project.


But fans have a strong attachment to the stadium. Before the Tigers left, a booster club sponsored two group hugs in
which devotees linked arms and gave it a squeeze.



The Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy, a group opposed to the demolition, has until June 1 to raise $369,000 to try to
save part of the stadium.



If the money can be raised, Senator Carl Levin said he would seek federal funding to preserve the oldest part of the
structure around the infield and redevelop the playing field for amateur teams.



While the stadium is dormant, the area surrounding it is not. Whatever the stadium's fate, neighbors are eager for
something to happen.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 09 2008 01:14 PM

I may not be remembering correctly, and Michigan can correct me if I'm wrong, but when I was there in 1988, it seemed like Tiger Stadium was in a depressed area. If, as the article suggests, the surrounding area has become vibrant, then it's even more of a shame that Tiger Stadium couldn't have been saved instead of replaced.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 09 2008 01:18 PM

Parts may be vibrant, but chances are economically Detroit is worse off than the last time you visited.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 09 2008 01:24 PM

That would be my assumption too. But Detroit didn't look so hot in 1988 either.

When I was there it looked like all of downtown's prosperity was clustered in just one building. I think it was called the Renaissance Center, a big gleaming skyscraper with offices, shopping, restaurants, etc.

Outside the immediate area of the Renaissance Center, there were a lot of closed up stores and empty streets.

I haven't heard anything about a Detroit revival at all, but the article did make it sound like the Tiger Stadium area, at least, has improved in the last twenty years.

metirish
Jul 09 2008 01:36 PM

Jeter played on that field IIRC.

AG/DC
Jul 09 2008 01:39 PM

Met J. Irish.

metsguyinmichigan
Jul 09 2008 01:46 PM

Those photos have me all choked up. And I'm horrified that there are any chairs left. I would have loved to buy one, but the prices were just so over-the-top expensive that I couldn't afford it. So now a bunch will end up unsold because they were greedy the first time around.

As for the city, it's is pretty run down all over. There is a spot downtown that they show off as kind of hopping, with some corporate buildings and a Hard Rock Cafe. There are some new restaurants and things around Comerica, most of them developed by the Tigers owners. I saw some new housing not far -- close enough to park in last time I went to a game.

But I don't feel especially safe walking around there without a crowd, and I'm not one who generally feels unsafe in cities. I hear the casinos do well, but I've never been to them.

The area around Tiger Stadium, called "Corktown" was hit and miss. A number of blocks that used to have houses were leveled and used for parking. There were neighborhoods across the Interstate -- connected by a footbridge -- that weren't places where too many of us would live, but were safe enough to park in.

There weren't too many game-related businesses around the stadium. The was a glorious old souvenir store that I used to love going to, partly to look at the ancient stuff they were still selling. I'd buy things like Rusty Staub buttons. It was also one of the few places where you could get caps and t-shirts from any team in the league. Another, newer, store was at the other end of the stadium, and they operated some smaller shops that were more like booths built in the fronts of houses.

There were a couple hole-in-the-wall bars, including one that was a famous Billy Martin hang-out, but we never went to them.

The gripe from the city was that suburban residents would come to the city, see a game and get right back on the freeway. That was true, partly because the stadium had fantastic access to the freeways. But largely it was because there was nothing to do anyway. It wasn't like the area around Wrigley or Fenway.

metsguyinmichigan
Jul 09 2008 01:47 PM

metirish wrote:
Jeter played on that field IIRC.


Badass!

OlerudOwned
Jul 09 2008 01:58 PM

]But fans have a strong attachment to the stadium. Before the Tigers left, a booster club sponsored two group hugs in
which devotees linked arms and gave it a squeeze.


Oh.

G-Fafif
Jul 09 2008 02:00 PM

What a shame it's too late for Mariano Rivera to start the final game there.

seawolf17
Jul 09 2008 02:06 PM

Let the record show yet again that I plan on bawling like a six-year-old with a dead kitten when they tear down Shea Stadium.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 09 2008 02:26 PM

I'm glad there won't be an implosion (of Shea). It's not something I'd care to see.

metsguyinmichigan
Jul 09 2008 02:30 PM

Have the Mets announced if anything will mark the place where Shea stood? I know it's going to be parking. But will home plate or the basepaths be marked?

The White Sox have a marker where home plate was, I think the Braves have some elements remaining, the Reds have some things marked -- including a rose garden with a white bush where Pete's record hit landed.

The Brewers have an awesome mini stadium on the parking lot that I think -- but can't swear to it -- was the location of the County Stadium field.

The remnants of Forbes Field are fun to see if you ever get to University of Pittsburgh.

soupcan
Jul 09 2008 02:32 PM

It will be parking but I believe the Mets have said that they will paint the bases and basepaths of where the infield was/is.

Can't wait to recreate Mookie/Buckner with my kids while dodging minivans!

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 09 2008 02:38 PM

soupcan wrote:
It will be parking but I believe the Mets have said that they will paint the bases and basepaths of where the infield was/is.


Yes, they're going to do that.

I'd like to also see them include a dotted line to show the path of Mookie's grounder and something to indicate where Cleon Jones was when he caught the last out of Game 5 and also the location of Ron Swoboda's diving catch.

And while they're at it, the circle commemorating Tommie Agee's upper deck home run should be preserved, right where it is, atop a tall pole.

metsguyinmichigan
Jul 09 2008 02:44 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
="soupcan"]It will be parking but I believe the Mets have said that they will paint the bases and basepaths of where the infield was/is.



And while they're at it, the circle commemorating Tommie Agee's upper deck home run should be preserved, right where it is, atop a tall pole.


There's a chair high up on a wall in the amusement park section of the Mall of America that's roughly in the spot where a Harmon Killebrew blast hit. Pretty cool!

The Reds Hall of Fame/museum has to be seen to be believed. If the Mets do anything even half as good, it will be a treat.

Nymr83
Jul 09 2008 02:58 PM

]The gripe from the city was that suburban residents would come to the city, see a game and get right back on the freeway. That was true, partly because the stadium had fantastic access to the freeways. But largely it was because there was nothing to do anyway. It wasn't like the area around Wrigley or Fenway.


the same can be said about Shea

AG/DC
Jul 09 2008 03:56 PM

Black people must do something.

Korean people in New York, while I'm at it.