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AG/DC
Jul 09 2008 09:40 PM

Deafening silence on the "disgraceful" scandal of the manner in which Willie was let go.

SteveJRogers
Jul 09 2008 11:21 PM

Come on Edgy, you know better than that.

Even if the Mets dropped ALL of their games since Willie was fired the media would be on the next story du jour and the disgraceful manner would have been "forgotten."

It still will be brought up all the time though as a "knock" on how the Wilpons run the team.

No one's opinions about the manner in which Willie got fired are changed by the team's performance.

G-Fafif
Jul 10 2008 05:19 AM

As they say in the senior section of the zoo, old gnus. As Steve indicates, there's no reason it would be brought up three-plus weeks later (three-plus light years in the course of a season, especially a season in New York, especially a season that has, for the moment at least, changed course). Don't worry, it will be brought up next time a Klapisch "must think of disparate examples to back up today's shaky hypothesis" column needs to be written ("and then there was the time Brian and Theo sat on a panel together...which proves Mariano must start the All-Star Game and be applauded like soft rain").

themetfairy
Jul 10 2008 05:39 AM

It's not like we were arguing that Willie should not have been fired.

There's just no point in continuing to beat that dead horse.

AG/DC
Jul 10 2008 06:09 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 10 2008 07:33 AM

And I'm not saying he should have been.

I'm saying winning weakens the tabloid thesis, and if they had been losing, the tabloids would have loved to keep pumping the story as some sort of cosmic payback for the transgression. And Jerry Manuel would be labeled as public enemy number one.

And I applaud the Mets for winning in that environment.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 10 2008 07:23 AM

Filip Bondy today admits the hysteria was overblown and in an article quick to damn Mets' progress due to the rest of the divison struggling gets around to making a good case for Manuel's superiority.

]Parity is a parody in NL East

Thursday, July 10th 2008, 4:00 AM

The Mets have won five straight and Jerry Manuel is suddenly Bob Lemon rescuing a fractured New York baseball franchise back in 1978. A different role player is a star each day, the bats get smarter with two outs and then last night even Johan Santana got runs and a victory.

It was all smiles on a summer eve again. The Mets are just 1-1/2 games out of first, a lesson in good timing. New managers should always be appointed just as the rest of the division is about to collapse into a heap of mediocrity.

It is Einstein's theory of relativity, applied to the National League East. When Manuel replaced Willie Randolph back in June, the Mets were in fourth place, 34-35, 6-1/2 games behind the Phillies at 42-30. Since then, here are the records of the four relevant teams:

Phillies, 7-13; Marlins, 10-11; Braves, 7-13; Mets, 13-9.

What has happened, basically, is that the Mets played decent baseball - nothing special, until their offense caught fire this past week. Meanwhile, the rest of the NL East has gone down the toilet, through the pipes, into the filtration system.

"We were extremely fortunate," David Wright was saying, before the Mets beat the sad-sack Giants, 5-0, for their second straight shutout win. "We were playing .500 baseball and were only a handful of games out. Jerry will be the first to tell you that. And now we have to push. This is the time to show we belong among the top teams in the league."

The Mets have made a real move on the Phillies, who have made an even bigger move down to the Mets. What does this say about Manuel, and about the Mets' decision to dump Randolph? Nothing definitive. "It's not what anything that anybody is saying," Wright said.

They'd likely be closing in on their bumbling rivals, anyway. But clearly the change in the manager's office didn't harm the team in the least. Initial reactions of outrage were grandly overstated.

We already know that Manuel is far more adept at handling the media than Randolph. He is relaxed and given to detailed explanations about his tactics. The clubhouse and dugout are now practically SNY's own private television studios. Starting pitchers are interviewed soon after being removed from games. Manuel informs the press when he lectures his players, often revealing the subject of his sermons.

Manuel Wednesday spoke about a couple of things he has changed since ascending to the throne. He is making an effort to keep his players' heads late in games by being more aggressive, looking for the extra run instead of sitting on three-run leads. Manuel said he was simply following the example of managers such as Bobby Cox and Tony La Russa.

"They take over the game at that time for the fourth run," Manuel said. "Get ready for the hit-and-run, regardless of what the score is. That keeps the offense focused on the game."

Manuel also says he has been busy convincing traditional role players such as Endy Chavez, Damion Easley and last night's hero, Ramon Castro, that they are capable of becoming more than fill-ins for injured players.

"They all feel to a man, 'Hey, I can do this every day,'" Manuel said. "We have to promote this."

It all sounds very nice, as long as the Mets keep averaging seven runs per game. The Mets' offense had been coming on lately, with one notable exception. Whenever Santana started, he received no help whatsoever. The Mets were defeated in all six of Santana's previous outings, averaging just two runs per game.

Then last night Giants manager Bruce Bochy made the mistake of pitching to Castro with two on and two outs, instead of walking him intentionally to face Santana. Castro smashed a three-run homer to left off a fat slider from Jonathan Sanchez in the fourth, and the Mets' bullpen held firm.

Santana threw just 78 pitches in five innings before the rain came. He said he could pitch some more, but was convinced otherwise. Not a hard night's work for a $137.5 million signee.

Santana is now 8-7 and not creating Cy Young buzz. Doesn't matter.

"Now you'll start to see the W's come behind his name," Manuel said. "He'll run off a big streak for us."

In the NL East, even a little streak may be enough.

fjbondy@netscape.net

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 10 2008 07:35 AM

I thought this part was particularly interesting:

]Manuel Wednesday spoke about a couple of things he has changed since ascending to the throne. He is making an effort to keep his players' heads late in games by being more aggressive, looking for the extra run instead of sitting on three-run leads. Manuel said he was simply following the example of managers such as Bobby Cox and Tony La Russa.

"They take over the game at that time for the fourth run," Manuel said. "Get ready for the hit-and-run, regardless of what the score is. That keeps the offense focused on the game."


It pretty much implies that the Mets inability to get "tack on" runs for much of the season was because Willie Randolph would take his foot off the gas pedal. I'm not sure how much weight to give that; it's not like Willie would tell his players not to try to hit the ball, but it's something to ponder.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 10 2008 07:56 AM

Yes, and after stoopitly sacrifice bunting for the 4th run twice last night.