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AG/DC Jul 13 2008 07:15 PM

Anybody who had given up on Easley and would've been fine to release him this year, get your hands up. Way up so we can see 'em.

SteveJRogers Jul 13 2008 07:32 PM

Always quick with the Met pom-poms, huh Edgy?

AG/DC Jul 13 2008 07:37 PM

No. Don't know what you mean. Thanks for trying to emasculate me, though.

Nymr83 Jul 13 2008 07:39 PM

where are the "pom poms"? he's pointing out that many on this board wrote Easley off before he got hot.

Frayed Knot Jul 13 2008 07:40 PM Re: Side-topic

="AG/DC"]Anybody who had given up on **Delgado** and would've been fine to release him this year, get your hands up. Way up so we can see 'em.

AG/DC Jul 13 2008 07:47 PM

Steve isn't the first who wanted to see me in my cheerleader uniform.

metirish Jul 13 2008 07:52 PM

I should start the Delgado thread. Hands raised on Easley.

soupcan Jul 13 2008 07:54 PM Re: Side-topic

AG/DC wrote: Anybody who had given up on Easley and would've been fine to release him this year, get your hands up. Way up so we can see 'em. I guess there were some but I don't know why. He had some big hits last year and was really productive until that ugly ankle injury.

SteveJRogers Jul 13 2008 07:54 PM

Nymr83 wrote: where are the "pom poms"? he's pointing out that many on this board wrote Easley off before he got hot. One hot streak does not make everyone who wrote him off as being wrong. And Edgy does tend to be one of those "cheer loudly and proudly even when the team is horrid" types that likes to prove how "right" they were when things turn around.

Zvon Jul 13 2008 07:57 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: one of those "cheer loudly and proudly even when the team is horrid" types Hey..thats me. Thats what they call "a fan".

soupcan Jul 13 2008 07:57 PM

="SteveJRogers"]And Edgy does tend to be one of those "cheer loudly and proudly even when the team is horrid" types that likes to prove how "right" they were when things turn around. But if/when the team does turn it around doesn't that mean that person was right?

Nymr83 Jul 13 2008 08:01 PM

steve is just a bitter yankee fan in 3rd place trying to make met fans feel bad

SteveJRogers Jul 13 2008 08:02 PM

Zvon wrote: ="SteveJRogers"] one of those "cheer loudly and proudly even when the team is horrid" types Hey..thats me. Thats what they call "a fan". Yeah but it means you are not being a realist when it comes to the fortunes of your team.

AG/DC Jul 13 2008 08:02 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: ="Nymr83"]where are the "pom poms"? he's pointing out that many on this board wrote Easley off before he got hot. One hot streak does not make everyone who wrote him off as being wrong. And Edgy does tend to be one of those "cheer loudly and proudly even when the team is horrid" types that likes to prove how "right" they were when things turn around. Steve, put yourself in a box. I ain't goin'.

SteveJRogers Jul 13 2008 08:04 PM

="soupcan"] ="SteveJRogers"]And Edgy does tend to be one of those "cheer loudly and proudly even when the team is horrid" types that likes to prove how "right" they were when things turn around. But if/when the team does turn it around doesn't that mean that person was right? No it means that every once in a while a blind acorn finds the nut. If a team or a player stinks and someone keeps banging the drums by saying "no, its NOT a slump" despite no logical evidence to the contrary, then yeah that does not make the person right.

Nymr83 Jul 13 2008 08:07 PM

]No it means that every once in a while a blind acorn finds the nut where do i find a sighted acorn?

soupcan Jul 13 2008 08:08 PM

But if the guy/team come out of the slump and goes on to be productive then that person was right. You may have pooh-poohed them during the slump saying they were being blinded by loyalty, but the ultimate positive result says that you were the one not being realistic.

Frayed Knot Jul 13 2008 08:10 PM

If a team or a player stinks and someone keeps banging the drums by saying "no, its NOT a slump" despite no logical evidence to the contrary, then yeah that does not make the person right = zero sense

SteveJRogers Jul 13 2008 08:10 PM

="Nymr83"] ]No it means that every once in a while a blind acorn finds the nut where do i find a sighted acorn? Blind squirrel finds an acorn I mean.

AG/DC Jul 13 2008 08:13 PM

="SteveJRogers"] ="soupcan"] ="SteveJRogers"]And Edgy does tend to be one of those "cheer loudly and proudly even when the team is horrid" types that likes to prove how "right" they were when things turn around. But if/when the team does turn it around doesn't that mean that person was right? No it means that every once in a while a blind acorn finds the nut. If a team or a player stinks and someone keeps banging the drums by saying "no, its NOT a slump" despite no logical evidence to the contrary, then yeah that does not make the person right. Steve, for your own sake, get sober. For my sake, shut up.

Frayed Knot Jul 13 2008 08:31 PM

One good thing about the mini-resurgence from Delgado is that Joe Badabingo "boldly" bet so heavily against it. Following his 9-RBI game vs NYY, JB went out on a limb to predict he wouldn't get 9 more over the next 20 games. So not only is that not not a very bold prediction in the first place (9 in 20 isn't that bad a pace) but he'll probably lose it anyway. Delgado's 2 tonight give him 8 in the 17 games since.

AG/DC Jul 13 2008 08:37 PM

Steve, I take back the "shut up" part. Sorry. Just take it easy and re-read your words for clarity before ripping me.

Zvon Jul 13 2008 08:41 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: ="Zvon"] SteveJRogers wrote: one of those "cheer loudly and proudly even when the team is horrid" types Hey..thats me. Thats what they call "a fan". Yeah but it means you are not being a realist when it comes to the fortunes of your team. Realistically, if that was the case I would not be saying they are not horrid. I'd still be loudly and proudly cheering them. Positively for the most part. They are my team come what may. Ive been a Met fan for a loooong looong time Steve, and I have suffered thru many horrid teams and seasons. So it goes. If they are wearing a Met uniform, I'm cheering em on. Might feel the need to boo here and there. Even that I'll do proudly. I love a winning team but thats not the reason I am a Met fan. Needing your team to win is a Yankee fan mindset. I just ask my team to play the game.

themetfairy Jul 13 2008 08:43 PM

Zvon - I love you, man!

Valadius Jul 13 2008 08:46 PM

Steve, you're supposed to root for your team through good times and bad. That's what being a fan is. The way you're advocating is the way of the Yankee Fan.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 13 2008 08:50 PM Re: Side-topic

="Frayed Knot"] ="AG/DC"]Anybody who had given up on **Delgado** and would've been fine to release him this year, get your hands up. Way up so we can see 'em. I confess. And I was wrong. Happily.

seawolf17 Jul 14 2008 05:04 AM

Hands up on Easley and Delgado, but this is the old "you're never as good as you are when you're winning, and you're never as bad as you are when you're losing" thing. That said, I'm enjoying the ride.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 14 2008 06:11 AM

Hand way up on Delgado, not so much Easley; although I didn't think either of them would ever be playing like this again. Delgado's on pace to repeat his 2007 performance, but a league-wide downturn in offense transforms his .330 OBP/.450 SLG from a 103 OPS+ to a 107. On top of that, we can reasonably expect his results to improve in the second half: his 22.1% line drive rate (his highest since 2005) has only resulted in a .271 BABiP, with Lady Luck taking away about 7% of his hits. While he'll never have another year like 2000 again (not many will), he could easily wind up with a year like 1996 or 97, which is more than was I hoping for in spring training.

AG/DC Jul 14 2008 06:28 AM

seawolf17 wrote: Hands up on Easley and Delgado, but this is the old "you're never as good as you are when you're winning, and you're never as bad as you are when you're losing" thing. That said, I'm enjoying the ride. I'mnot saying Easley is generally as good as he's been the last two (or three??) weeks, only that releasing him would have most likely kept us from enjoying what goodness there was. On Delgado, I always felt he'd be pretty much as good as last year, health permitting. Yeah, he's in decline, but he took two steps backward last year, so I thought a year stabilizing his decline was most likely.

Frayed Knot Jul 14 2008 06:49 AM

And my only point in bringing Delgado up wasn't to 'out' those who trashed him before but merely to show how the 'addition-by-subtraction' route usually isn't as obvious as it sometimes seems and that the answer to the question; 'Can we do any worse?' is quite often, "Yes".