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="metirish":2dyomupq]Jesus H Christ , FOX are showing a parade they had up 6th Avenue today with players past and present.Mulder from The X Files was on during an Ad talking about the history of the stadium , is that a hint of things to come tonight....puke .[/quote:2dyomupq]
What he said.
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AG/DC
Jul 15 2008 09:34 PM
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For an objective view, here's a no-talent with a stupid movie to promote.
Oh, yeah, it's a stupid 20th Century Fox movie.
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Vince Coleman Firecracker
Jul 16 2008 05:49 AM
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="AG/DC":3mxrfghh]For an objective view, here's a no-talent with a stupid movie to promote.[/quote:3mxrfghh]
No-talent? He's a hand model, mama. A finger jockey. He thinks differently than the face and body boys... he's a different breed.
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SteveJRogers
Jul 16 2008 06:20 AM
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="Benjamin Grimm":1dmliro0]All this talk of it being a "cathedral" makes my skin crawl.
I'm glad they're knocking it down.
Unfortunately, nothing will prevent the replacement from also being called a "cathedral."[/quote:1dmliro0]
Just say you are sick of any religious imagry when it comes to baseball. It's not just Yankee Stadium that is refered to as a "cathedral."
I've seen books about baseball stadiums referred to as "Green Cathedrals."
I've called places like original MFYS, Wrigley, Fenway, Shibe, Crosely, Forbes, Sportsman's Park baseball's "Mother Churches" as compared to your local congregation that their replacements and "younger" ballparks are (Shea, Dodger, etc).
It's one thing to get sick of the overhype that is making it seem that the ballpark is as much the story as the game is (also see Fenway in 1999 and Wrigley in 1990), but its another to let your hatred of religious imagry enter into the debate.
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HahnSolo
Jul 16 2008 06:59 AM
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="SteveJRogers":d6ojfst0]It's one thing to get sick of the overhype that is making it seem that the ballpark is as much the story as the game is (also see Fenway in 1999 and Wrigley in 1990), but its another to let your hatred of religious imagry enter into the debate.[/quote:d6ojfst0]
They hype about Wrigley in 1990 was nowhere near what we got this year. The Fenway hype was closer, but not comparable to what we heard about YS this time.
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metirish
Jul 16 2008 07:01 AM
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I've called places like original MFYS, Wrigley, Fenway, Shibe, Crosely, Forbes, Sportsman's Park baseball's "Mother Churches" as compared to your local congregation that their replacements and "younger" ballparks are (Shea, Dodger, etc).
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I was wondering who coined that phrase
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Elster88
Jul 16 2008 07:12 AM
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="SteveJRogers":1ehjt4p8]="Benjamin Grimm":1ehjt4p8]All this talk of it being a "cathedral" makes my skin crawl.
I'm glad they're knocking it down.
Unfortunately, nothing will prevent the replacement from also being called a "cathedral."[/quote:1ehjt4p8]
Just say you are sick of any religious imagry when it comes to baseball. It's not just Yankee Stadium that is refered to as a "cathedral...
...It's one thing to get sick of the overhype that is making it seem that the ballpark is as much the story as the game is (also see Fenway in 1999 and Wrigley in 1990), but its another to let your hatred of religious imagry enter into the debate.[/quote:1ehjt4p8]
Shut up. Seriously.
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metirish
Jul 16 2008 07:16 AM
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FOX Sports President Ed Goren said this ,
" One of the most memorable All-Star Games , or events , on Fox Sports was in Boston(1999) honoring Ted Williams , I believe this will outdo that".
Not for me at least , it was not even close.The game was good though.
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Benjamin Grimm
Jul 16 2008 07:30 AM
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="Elster88":1ht43dc9]Shut up. Seriously.[/quote:1ht43dc9]
Thank you. That's the best way to respond to Steve.
I foolishly toyed with the idea of actually addressing what he said, but your response was so much more pithy.
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AG/DC
Jul 16 2008 07:33 AM
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There's nothing necessarily wrong with speaking of a ballpark as a cathedral. What's wrong is (1) expecting us to by it because it's the party line, and (2) callinig it that as you make plans to destroy it.
It's nuance, Steve.
Things that help make such a characterization more valid.
1) Elegance in the architecture.
2) Old-world styles: gothic, byzantine, etc.
3) Passion in the upkeep.
4) Respect and reverent behavior by visitors and locals.
5) Populist outcry when the very idea of replacing it --- even updating it --- comes up.
6) Associations of the place with something pure and better, that has a redemptive quality to those who visit it.
Now, Michael Kay and John Sterling may say check-check-check--check--check, but I think it's 0-6, and any notion that they actually do score on any of those metrics is a byproduct of those guys saying they do.
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AG/DC
Jul 16 2008 07:33 AM
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="Benjamin Grimm":1nznk4ay]="Elster88":1nznk4ay]Shut up. Seriously.[/quote:1nznk4ay]
Thank you. That's the best way to respond to Steve.
I foolishly toyed with the idea of actually addressing what he said, but your response was so much more pithy.[/quote:1nznk4ay]
I didn't know Els had posted that. I thought it was just his new sig line.
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SteveJRogers
Jul 16 2008 07:46 AM
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Look, I'm far more repulsed by the term "home office of baseball" since it implies that the Yankees rule baseball.
Was it the home office in the early 90s? No, it wasn't. If you want to use the term "home office" in 2008 it can describe Fenway Park more than it does MFYS. So its much sillier to call it a "home office" than it is a cathedral, or church.
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AG/DC
Jul 16 2008 07:51 AM
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It's also much silier to call it a stapler, but that's not what we're talking about and that's not what you're talking about.
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Benjamin Grimm
Jul 16 2008 07:53 AM
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A ballpark should be a place to watch people play a game, and to have fun.
It's not a place of worship.
Calling a stadium a church is silly. Cathedral even sillier. I guess, though, someone who actually does go to Yankee Stadium to worship wouldn't see it that way.
And they're the silliest ones of all.
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AG/DC
Jul 16 2008 07:56 AM
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Yeah, but it's a metaphor.
I just don't think it's an apt one. I think they're stealing from ballparks that that was spontaneously applied to, just as surely yas they stole "Enter Sandman," "YMCA," Alex Rodriguez, and Reggie Jackson.
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Benjamin Grimm
Jul 16 2008 07:58 AM
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And for the record, my skin wasn't literally crawling either.
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AG/DC
Jul 16 2008 08:00 AM
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That clears that up.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 16 2008 08:17 AM
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Is this the worst thread ever?
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Centerfield
Jul 16 2008 08:41 AM
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Scored some last minute tickets and went with a buddy of mine. It was my first time there in many years, and a couple of things struck me about the ballpark. First of all, it really is a beautiful park...a great place to watch a ballgame. There is nothing really lacking about it at all...which just illustrates how absurd it is that they are getting a new park. Other than the "you can't give one team a new ballpark without giving the other team one too" principle, it makes no sense that they are building a replica of the place a 3 wood away.
Second, it has absolutely no feel of an old-time ballpark. It's not like Wrigley, where you walk in, see the creaky old structure and wonder if it's going to collapse, see the old fashioned signs, etc. This is a modern stadium, complete with all the amenities you would expect from a place built during the 70's. So if you have these amenities, I don't see how you get away with trying to pass it off as some historic site. There is no way Ruth and Gehrig played here. Mystique and aura have been replaced by Bank of America and Adidas.
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SteveJRogers
Jul 16 2008 08:54 AM
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| ="Benjamin Grimm"]A ballpark should be a place to watch people play a game, and to have fun.
It's not a place of worship.
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See, thats more my point though. If you said just that and never interjected any other opinions about religious experiences then fine. But it seems every mention of someone finding religion, someone talking about their relationship with God or their religion makes your skin figuerativly crawl.
Its one thing if you said "sports and religion shouldn't mix, even as metaphors, even calling it "The Church of Baseball" but you don't say that, you tend to bash anything that has to do with religion.
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SteveJRogers
Jul 16 2008 08:59 AM
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="Centerfield":147y0jn2]Scored some last minute tickets and went with a buddy of mine. It was my first time there in many years, and a couple of things struck me about the ballpark. First of all, it really is a beautiful park...a great place to watch a ballgame. There is nothing really lacking about it at all...which just illustrates how absurd it is that they are getting a new park. Other than the "you can't give one team a new ballpark without giving the other team one too" principle, it makes no sense that they are building a replica of the place a 3 wood away.
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Yeah it's funny that once the whole notion of "no one wants to come to the South Bronx for a baseball game" went away in the mid-90s the argument for a new stadium turned into "the stadium is decrepit"
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metsguyinmichigan
Jul 16 2008 09:04 AM
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| ="Benjamin Grimm"]A ballpark should be a place to watch people play a game, and to have fun.
It's not a place of worship.
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Well, when the Pope was there....
I did cover a players chapel service once in the weight room of Silver Stadium in Rochester, which was kind of cool -- though Brad Komminsk grumbled a little about me being there.
But you are correct, of course, in that they are trying to apply importance by calling it something else. If someone called the U.S. Capitol a "cathedral," people would freak.
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metirish
Jul 16 2008 09:05 AM
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="John Cougar Lunchbucket":ewlldbpa]Is this the worst thread ever?[/quote:ewlldbpa]
It's getting worser.....
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Benjamin Grimm
Jul 16 2008 09:24 AM
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="SteveJRogers":bbyulhld]Its one thing if you said "sports and religion shouldn't mix, even as metaphors, even calling it "The Church of Baseball" but you don't say that, you tend to bash anything that has to do with religion.[/quote:bbyulhld]
I don't think I bash religion. There have even been threads where I've explained the Immaculate Conception and Holy Days of Obligation.
I don't like when religion is used as a basis for passing laws, because I don't feel I should be obligated in any way to follow the strictures of someone else's religion. But I have no problem with people being religious, with "under God" in the Pledge, with public displays of Christmas trees or menorahs, or with cathedrals. (I've visited many of them!)
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soupcan
Jul 16 2008 09:26 AM
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="Centerfield":3msd5pma]Scored some last minute tickets and went with a buddy of mine. It was my first time there in many years, and a couple of things struck me about the ballpark. First of all, it really is a beautiful park...a great place to watch a ballgame. There is nothing really lacking about it at all...which just illustrates how absurd it is that they are getting a new park. Other than the "you can't give one team a new ballpark without giving the other team one too" principle, it makes no sense that they are building a replica of the place a 3 wood away.
Second, it has absolutely no feel of an old-time ballpark. It's not like Wrigley, where you walk in, see the creaky old structure and wonder if it's going to collapse, see the old fashioned signs, etc. This is a modern stadium, complete with all the amenities you would expect from a place built during the 70's. So if you have these amenities, I don't see how you get away with trying to pass it off as some historic site. There is no way Ruth and Gehrig played here. Mystique and aura have been replaced by Bank of America and Adidas.[/quote:3msd5pma]
Well, let's be real. It's not decrepit and it, as well as Shea, are perfectly fine places for 50,000+ people to watch a baseball game.
The Yankees and Mets can stay in their respective ballparks and charge PSLs, dramatically increase seat prices and food prices but they can't put more luxury boxes in than they already have. They can't build upscale restaurants and bars. They can't put, basically, a shopping mall in the stadia they are are both presently in. There's no room.
They do not need new ballparks as much as they need places and spaces to sell.
If you've been to Camden, if you've been to Petco you've seen how the new places are set up and operate. I haven't been to Wrigley in over 20 years so I don't know what they are doing to compensate - I think I heard that they are creating a baseball-type mall thingy on the streets behind the outfield walls. The Red Sox have also created that sort of feel on the streets around Fenway and have you noticed how many new freakin' seats they've crammed into every unoccupied part of the place? They just keep building up and up and up to create more spaces for people to spend money.
S'not about the the playing field or the access to the place or the fans 'enjoyability'. It's about bigger places and spaces to spend the money. The game has become a way to get you to the high-end mall/restaurant/bar.
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AG/DC
Jul 16 2008 09:42 AM
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See, I think, with creative work, the Mets can do all of those things at Shea. (The have, among other things, an un-enclosed outfield.) It just won't have the novelty factor whch draws increased demand and tolerance for increased prices as a new shack will. At least, not without excellent marketing, which would also take creativity.
And using finaciial leverage to replace creative, intelligent, distintive, innovative thinking is certainly one of things the Mets tend to disappoint me in.
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Frayed Knot
Jul 16 2008 10:23 AM
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| ][Yanqui Stadium II], as well as Shea, are perfectly fine places for 50,000+ people to watch a baseball game. |
Shea is an OK place for about 30K of those 50 to watch a game.
Those in seats that occupy an adjacent zip code, or in seats aligned away from the field, or trapped underneath the overhang watching the game in 'letter-box' format, aren't going to describe their view as "perfectly fine".
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soupcan
Jul 16 2008 10:59 AM
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="AG/DC":2g3lyfbz]See, I think, with creative work, the Mets can do all of those things at Shea. (The have, among other things, an un-enclosed outfield.) It just won't have the novelty factor whch draws increased demand and tolerance for increased prices as a new shack will. At least, not without excellent marketing, which would also take creativity.
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What you say is essentialy true but as attached as we may be to the Big Shea, it's no Fenway or Wrigley and there's no neighborhood immediately around it. The money it would take to refurbish it and create a Disney-esque baseball village around it would probably be better spent on building a Citifield in the long run. And even if you did pour that money into a refurbishment, as you say - where's the novelty? What's the draw? Not for us, the fans that would watch them play in the 28th street Armory, but for the casual fans that want the 'place' and have the money to spend.
="Frayed Knot":2g3lyfbz]Shea is an OK place for about 30K of those 50 to watch a game.
Those in seats that occupy an adjacent zip code, or in seats aligned away from the field, or trapped underneath the overhang watching the game in 'letter-box' format, aren't going to describe their view as "perfectly fine".[/quote:2g3lyfbz]
I wasn't born on the field level. I did my time in the upper deck, the mezz and the loge. I know from bad sightlines at Shea.
Hey, it's been fine for 46 years, bad sightlines or no. My point is that just because the back 10 rows of seats in the loge give you a view like your watching an A-Bomb test from a military bunker is not the reason to spend a billion dollars on a new stadium.
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AG/DC
Jul 16 2008 11:17 AM
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Yeah, I acknowledge all that, but fuck Disney.
Evoluton beats revolution. Be great or don't be.
Besides, we've all become way too sophisticated regarding our demands in sitting down.
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Frayed Knot
Jul 16 2008 12:38 PM
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| ]Hey, it's been fine for 46 years, bad sightlines or no. |
I'd argue mediocre at best - and its best was about 7 Presidents ago.
| ]My point is that just because the back 10 rows of seats in the loge give you a view like your watching an A-Bomb test from a military bunker is not the reason to spend a billion dollars on a new stadium |
It's not my billion dollars (I'm saving my $1B for other things) so what do I care.
Buildings get old and they get replaced. I guess I just don't see the point of hanging on to a flawed multi-purpose building that was built on the cheap several decades ago and is no longer used for those multi-purposes just because ... well just because you can seems to be the sentiment.
Anyone here still hanging on to an old car even though the roof leaks, the heater doesn't work, and the maintainence is a bitch simply because it still starts?
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AG/DC
Jul 16 2008 01:00 PM
Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 16 2008 01:12 PM
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I don't see the point in building a new buiding because you can.
One point of renovating is because it's cheaper than rebuilding.
A second point is that it combines the best of the old with the best of the new.
A third point is that it's less arrogant.
A fourth point is that it won't confuse novelty with progress.
A fifth point is that less expensive is often better, particularly when it comes to public funds.
A sixth point is that a sense of continuity lends meaning to a largely insubstantial past-time.
A seventh piont is that history has a value, and protecting historical sites has a value, and, if you're smart and creative --- a value at the gate.
I forget, again, what eight was for.
A ninth point is that I don't drive cars, but that some old ones are more maintainable, rather than less, if you know what you're doing. Often, they're made from finer stuff.
A tenth point is that destroyed architecture is often lamented, as demonstrated by the Mets rebuilding the façade of Ebbets Field.
Renewable architecture is a wonderful thing.
You don't have to agree, but the points have been made clearly enough.
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soupcan
Jul 16 2008 01:10 PM
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="Frayed Knot":1u6mrzx1]
Anyone here still hanging on to an old car even though the roof leaks, the heater doesn't work, and the maintainence is a bitch simply because it still starts?[/quote:1u6mrzx1]
I agree with you, but that isn't the reason Shea is being replaced.
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Vince Coleman Firecracker
Jul 16 2008 01:16 PM
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="Frayed Knot":up9jgrrx]Anyone here still hanging on to an old car even though the roof leaks, the heater doesn't work, and the maintainence is a bitch simply because it still starts?[/quote:up9jgrrx]
You got a problem with my Reliant?
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AG/DC
Jul 16 2008 01:52 PM
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Nobody's gonna carjack your fucking K car, Sue. You don't need to carry a gat.
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Vince Coleman Firecracker
Jul 16 2008 01:59 PM
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| ="AG/DC"]Nobody's gonna carjack your fucking K car, Sue. You don't need to carry a gat. |
Hey man, you're not from here, alright?!! You don't know how it is! I grew up in L.A.
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Frayed Knot
Jul 16 2008 02:02 PM
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| ]You don't have to agree, but the points have been made clearly enough |
God, cuz I'm not buying most of them.
| ]I agree with you, but that isn't the reason Shea is being replaced. |
It's part of it. And of course money is a big part of it too and I don't have a problem with that one either.
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soupcan
Jul 16 2008 02:28 PM
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="Frayed Knot"]| ]I agree with you, but that isn't the reason Shea is being replaced. |
It's part of it. And of course money is a big part of it too and I don't have a problem with that one either. |
I don't think the condition of Shea has anything to do with it being replaced. I don't have a problem with that because everyone is entitled to make as much money as they can, even baseball owners. I just have an issue with being told it's not all about money. 'Cause it is.
The Wilpons wouldn't care less about the condition of Shea if it was bringing in the kind of revenue Citifield will.
Can you envision Fred saying "We make so much money here at Shea but the roof leaks, the heater doesn't work, and the maintainence is a bitch so we're gonna build a new one simply so Met fans are more comfortable."
Wrigley and Fenway are 100 years old.
Money, money, money. The place could stand another 50 years no problem.
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metirish
Jul 16 2008 02:31 PM
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I dunno but I think maybe a small part of Fred sees the new place as part of his legacy to the team and it's fans. I would not be surprised if in a few years Fred steps down and Jeff or a favorite Son in-law takes over.
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Benjamin Grimm
Jul 16 2008 02:35 PM
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And 30 years from now, when I own the Mets and I'm about to hand the team off to my kids to run, I'll be knocking down Citi Field in order to build a modern replica of Shea Stadium.
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metsguyinmichigan
Jul 16 2008 08:14 PM
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="Benjamin Grimm":y1buoogh]And 30 years from now, when I own the Mets and I'm about to hand the team off to my kids to run, I'll be knocking down Citi Field in order to build a modern replica of Shea Stadium.[/quote:y1buoogh]
Neon players or washerboards in your replica?
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Frayed Knot
Jul 17 2008 06:50 AM
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| ]Can you envision Fred saying "We make so much money here at Shea but the roof leaks, the heater doesn't work, and the maintainence is a bitch so we're gonna build a new one simply so Met fans are more comfortable." |
Ah, but those factors - combined with the fundamental design of the stadium which makes a certain pct of the seats suck - are WHY they'll make more money in a new joint.
I agree that the building isn't in any danger of falling down.
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Benjamin Grimm
Jul 17 2008 07:15 AM
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="metsguyinmichigan":p96h8ogo]Neon players or washerboards in your replica?[/quote:p96h8ogo]
Washerboards, of course.
But maybe I'd put the neon players in the lobby or something. But the exterior would be tiles and cables.
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soupcan
Jul 17 2008 07:44 AM
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| ="metirish"]I dunno but I think maybe a small part of Fred sees the new place as part of his legacy to the team and it's fans. |
The judges will accept a modified form of that answer - Fred sees the new place as part of his legacy. Period.
So its about money and vanity.
="Frayed Knot"]| ]Can you envision Fred saying "We make so much money here at Shea but the roof leaks, the heater doesn't work, and the maintainence is a bitch so we're gonna build a new one simply so Met fans are more comfortable." |
Ah, but those factors - combined with the fundamental design of the stadium which makes a certain pct of the seats suck - are WHY they'll make more money in a new joint. |
No it's not. They'll make more money because there will be more things to spend money on.
There won't be more seats with better views, there will be less seats with better views and they'll charge more for those fewer seats.
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soupcan
Jul 17 2008 08:10 AM
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Don't get me wrong - I'm very much looking forward to CitiField. The only issue I have is the powers that be stating that the impetus for building it is as much about the 'fan experience' as it is about the additional revenue.
They don't have to come out and say 'its all about the Benjamins', and of course I don't expect them to, but don't assume that I'm a moron either.
Some more updated and nice construction photos posted [url=http://www.stadiumpage.com/]here.[/url] including this one -
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metirish
Jul 17 2008 08:34 AM
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Leg room, I can't wait for that.
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themetfairy
Jul 17 2008 08:40 AM
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And the cup holders will be helpful.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 17 2008 08:42 AM
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New apple hole:
I met a contractor doing work on the new stadium recently and he had lots of interesting things to say about it. He also invited me in to have a look sometime but hasn't followed up on that yet...
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metirish
Jul 17 2008 08:47 AM
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Interesting in what way? , I ask because I worked on the construction of the Tennis Center for three years and saw a lot of interesting things.
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soupcan
Jul 17 2008 08:48 AM
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I was wondering what that hole was for...
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Benjamin Grimm
Jul 17 2008 08:50 AM
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My daughter couldn't believe that there were no cup holders at Shea when she visited there for the first time back in April. (That's really something they could have taken care of years ago.)
I like the Mets logos on the seats. I especially like that it's not a Citi Bank logo. Didn't the Astros have a problem with that? If I remember correctly, every aisle seat in the stadium had an Enron logo. Are those logos still there, or have they been replaced with pictures of orange juice containers?
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soupcan
Jul 17 2008 09:04 AM
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Rockin' Doc
Jul 17 2008 11:25 AM
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The Mets logo looks so much better than the Citi Filed sticker does on the side of the aisle seats. The Mets logo fits the space better and looks as if it was made for that purpose. The Citi Field logo looks like a bumper sticker that someone decided to place on the end of the aisle.
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Vince Coleman Firecracker
Jul 17 2008 11:31 AM
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Yeah, that "Citi" sticker is pretty bush league. Also, and this has been a minor nuisance to me for a while, why couldn't they change the little rainbow that dots the i's from red to orange? Is it that integral to the bank's identity they can't alter the color a smidge?
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metsguyinmichigan
Jul 17 2008 11:32 AM
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The both look like stickers, as oppoosed to other stadiums that have a design molded right into the chairs.
Then again, it's easier to replace stickers when they sell the naming rights again, or when the company changes its name.
Are there any of the corporate-named stadiums that have retained their names for a long period?
Maybe Truner Field, if that counts as a corporate name.
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Benjamin Grimm
Jul 17 2008 11:49 AM
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Why are they affixing the stickers NOW, nine months before the stadium opens?
You'd think they'd do it closer to Opening Day so that the brand new stadium doesn't have a lot of weathered old stickers on the seats.
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soupcan
Jul 17 2008 11:56 AM
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| ="Vince Coleman Firecracker"]Yeah, that "Citi" sticker is pretty bush league. Also, and this has been a minor nuisance to me for a while, why couldn't they change the little rainbow that dots the i's from red to orange? Is it that integral to the bank's identity they can't alter the color a smidge? |
I'm guessing integral. The arch is a representation of the red Travelers umbrella.
[url=http://www.namedevelopment.com/blog/archives/2007/02/citigroup_chang.html]Citigroup Changes Name, Returns Travelers’ Umbrella[/url]
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G-Fafif
Jul 17 2008 12:43 PM
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OP@CY picked up the molded design tradition with the 1890s Orioles logo designed right into the seat at the beginning of each row. It was modeled on the NY at the Polo Grounds. Keyspan Park has the Cyclone B meet the Met NY. A little disappointing that old-timey Citi Field is using stickers.
Not a huge thing, but why not...y'know?
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Vince Coleman Firecracker
Jul 17 2008 12:49 PM
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="soupcan":2g26bgcy]I'm guessing integral. The arch is a representation of the red Travelers umbrella.[/quote:2g26bgcy]
Wow, didn't know that. Still think it should be orange, though.
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SteveJRogers
Jul 17 2008 02:55 PM
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="metsguyinmichigan":2jxekotl]The both look like stickers, as oppoosed to other stadiums that have a design molded right into the chairs.
Then again, it's easier to replace stickers when they sell the naming rights again, or when the company changes its name.
Are there any of the corporate-named stadiums that have retained their names for a long period?
Maybe Truner Field, if that counts as a corporate name.[/quote:2jxekotl]
AFAIK several NBA/NHL arenas have, Staples Center in LA for one.
Baseball, yeah thats tough to find. I guess Safeco has to count for the moment. Busch as well.
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Vince Coleman Firecracker
Jul 17 2008 03:00 PM
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="metsguyinmichigan":2cvpiqf3]Are there any of the corporate-named stadiums that have retained their names for a long period?[/quote:2cvpiqf3]
Well, there's [url=http://www.jaxcubsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/marqee-welcome-to-wrigley-field.jpg:2cvpiqf3]this one[/url:2cvpiqf3].
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SteveJRogers
Jul 17 2008 05:29 PM
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="Vince Coleman Firecracker"]| ="metsguyinmichigan"]Are there any of the corporate-named stadiums that have retained their names for a long period? |
Well, there's  this one. |
To be fair, that, like Busch just happened to be the name of the owner, who also ran a pretty famous company as well as a baseball team.
It wasn't like Wrigley's paid a boat load of cash to whomever owned the Cubs for the naming rights way back when.
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soupcan
Jul 22 2008 11:21 AM
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Now if the people designing/building Citi Field had any sense - this is what should be on the sides of the aisle seats.
Aisle Seat Marker from The Polo Grounds
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Benjamin Grimm
Jul 22 2008 11:29 AM
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I agree!
(The curlicues aren't quite right on that NY though. Maybe it's an earlier version of what the Giants wore? It's not exactly the same as what the Mets are currently wearing.)
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AG/DC
Jul 22 2008 11:32 AM
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Gotta love, though, how explicity it shows that one branch of the Y goes under the N and the other branch over.
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batmagadanleadoff
Jul 22 2008 11:39 AM
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I wouldn't mind those missing curlicues so much if that logo was installed as an homage to the NY Giants. There's enough Brooklyn Dodger stuff planned for Citi Field that I 'm beginning to wonder which team will bat first when the LA Dodgers come to town.
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soupcan
Jul 22 2008 11:41 AM
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="batmagadanleadoff":30oq3atj]I wouldn't mind those missing curlicues so much if that logo was installed as an homage to the NY Giants. There's enough Brooklyn Dodger stuff planned for Citi Field...[/quote:30oq3atj]
Spot on.
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Benjamin Grimm
Jul 22 2008 11:46 AM
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="AG/DC":227q13qw]Gotta love, though, how explicitly it shows that one branch of the Y goes under the N and the other branch over.[/quote:227q13qw]
I agree. That was pretty cool. I feel like I've learned something.
Also, from what I've heard, all of the seats at Citi Field will be green, in honor of the Polo Grounds.
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seawolf17
Jul 22 2008 12:01 PM
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="Benjamin Grimm":1haria60]Also, from what I've heard, all of the seats at Citi Field will be green, in honor of[/quote:1haria60]
all the money that it will take to sit in one.
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G-Fafif
Jul 22 2008 12:16 PM
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="Benjamin Grimm":1r5ga8ny]Also, from what I've heard, all of the seats at Citi Field will be green, in honor of the Polo Grounds.[/quote:1r5ga8ny]
Also in honor of spin. The Mets came up with that rationale only when pressed on it. It was never mentioned in any of the "we're paying homage" materials. Once they started getting letters and Newsday bothered to ask what about the Polo Grounds did green seats become a PG reminder.
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Benjamin Grimm
Jul 22 2008 12:32 PM
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They should have replicated that deep part of center field.
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soupcan
Jul 22 2008 12:42 PM
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| ="Benjamin Grimm"]They should have replicated that deep part of center field. |
440' to 483' - Oof.
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G-Fafif
Jul 22 2008 01:10 PM
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="Benjamin Grimm":1n45zm6u]They should have replicated that deep part of center field.[/quote:1n45zm6u]
Perfect for Beltran and his Play Deep tendencies.
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seawolf17
Jul 22 2008 01:21 PM
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Could you imagine? Reyes would have about ninety triples.
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G-Fafif
Jul 22 2008 01:28 PM
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Except Jose would probably grow enamored of the 257-foot right field corner.
Willie Mays had 20 triples in his final Polo Grounds season, 1957. Ten at home, ten on the road. Of course Willie Mays' glove was where triples went to die.
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metsguyinmichigan
Jul 22 2008 01:33 PM
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I like that the bullpens are on the field, in play -- but so far deep that it was probably even an issue.
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Benjamin Grimm
Jul 22 2008 01:37 PM
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Well, I wouldn't replicate the short distances along the foul lines in left and right field, but a normal-shaped outfield, with that center-field notch would be cool. And I'd even be tempted to make it so that the dugouts didn't connect to the clubhouse. (Wasn't that how it was at the Polo Grounds? The players had to enter and exit the field from the gates in the center field fence.)
I don't think modern players would see the charm in that, though.
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Gwreck
Jul 22 2008 03:55 PM
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="Benjamin Grimm":37aeqwcw]Well, I wouldn't replicate the short distances along the foul lines in left and right field, but a normal-shaped outfield, with that center-field notch would be cool.[/quote:37aeqwcw]
They have that, with a hill, in Houston.
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Benjamin Grimm
Jul 22 2008 03:56 PM
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Is the hill in a notch? (The hill is stupid, by the way.)
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themetfairy
Jul 22 2008 04:05 PM
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I hate that hill. Someday an outfielder is going to severely injure himself on that idiotic thing.
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soupcan
Sep 17 2008 08:02 AM
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Nice pic...
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HahnSolo
Sep 17 2008 08:05 AM
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I think they need to put a few more signs up. No one will ever know what the place is called.
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bmfc1
Sep 17 2008 08:09 AM
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Ugh. New SI.
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Benjamin Grimm
Sep 17 2008 08:11 AM
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That stadium's been gone for 35 years. Boy, SI is really on top of things. What's their cover story going to be next week? Cassius Clay vs. Sonny Liston?
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HahnSolo
Sep 17 2008 08:11 AM
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How dare SI show the Cathedral with all those empty seats!!!
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bmfc1
Sep 17 2008 08:14 AM
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This isn't an original thought, but if it's a "Cathedral", then why is it being torn down?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 17 2008 08:16 AM
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nevermind
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metirish
Sep 17 2008 08:19 AM
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Lord Jeter now has the most hits ever at the Cathedral.
It meant nothing to him though becasue it came in a loss , he's such a fucking winner.
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metsguyinmichigan
Sep 17 2008 08:36 AM
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="HahnSolo":dxqfqex4]I think they need to put a few more signs up. No one will ever know what the place is called.[/quote:dxqfqex4]
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Note the ones that are flat on the roof -- intended for those blimp shots? Or the people flying into LaGuardia?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 17 2008 08:36 AM
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LaGuardia for sure.
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metsguyinmichigan
Sep 17 2008 08:38 AM
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="HahnSolo":3fy1n3ug]How dare SI show the Cathedral with all those empty seats!!![/quote:3fy1n3ug]
Good point! I didn't notice that until you pointed it out. And it's not batting practice or anything.
Note that the article is written by Supreme Yankee Hack Tom Verducci. I can only imagine...
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metsguyinmichigan
Sep 17 2008 09:32 AM
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GAG. Verducci on SI.com
Next year the Yankees will play in a ballpark with less history than Nationals Ballpark, that generic mistake in Washington. The new Yankee Stadium will be a stupendous colossus of a revenue generator, which has replaced charm or architectural achievement (why can't we build a Bird's Nest?) as the official measurement of the modern ballpark, with no corners cut. There even will be a female umpires dressing room. But you will not be able to say the Babe, the Mick, Joe D. or even Frank Tepedino played there. Starting Sunday, when the lights go out at Yankee Stadium, the cord will be cut, the lineage interrupted. The ballpark history doesn't cross the street with the Yankees.
Forget for a moment where Babe Ruth played. Now there will be only one ballpark left where the Dodgers' Jackie Robinson played: Wrigley Field. It's not quite building over Civil War battlefields, but you get the idea. Once it's gone, upon the last flick of the last switch Sunday night, it's gone.
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SteveJRogers
Sep 17 2008 09:39 AM
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="metsguyinmichigan"]| ="HahnSolo"]How dare SI show the Cathedral with all those empty seats!!! |
Good point! I didn't notice that until you pointed it out. And it's not batting practice or anything.
Note that the article is written by Supreme Yankee Hack Tom Verducci. I can only imagine... |
Shows you what an event driven culture we are living in today.
More to that point, check out these pics from the last actual game at YS I
September 30th, 1973
Attendance was barely 30,000 that afternoon.
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Gwreck
Sep 17 2008 09:59 AM
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="SteveJRogers":1x7ecf62]Attendance was barely 30,000 that afternoon.[/quote:1x7ecf62]
Actual attendance or tickets sold?
I expect to see empty seats on Sunday, both because the Yankees will have been eliminated, and because it's an 8:10 start time on a Sunday night. How many? We'll have to wait and see.
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MFS62
Sep 17 2008 10:11 AM
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="metirish":24t9gccc]Lord Jeter now has the most hits ever at the Cathedral.
[/quote:24t9gccc]
I came home just in time to hear the sports guy (Scott somethingorother) on ABC-TV New York, ch 7, say "Jeter became the all time leading hitter in Yankee Stadium history."
This guy has been there for years. But isn't the all time leading hitter the guy with the highest batting average? Isn't the way Irish wrote it more correct? Shouldn't a guy who has been doing the sports for many years know the difference?
Later
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Fman99
Sep 17 2008 10:21 AM
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This thread and the "cathedral" stuff makes me want to vomit, eat my vomit, then shit and eat my shit-vomit.
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holychicken
Sep 17 2008 10:56 AM
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What stadium is in that picture on the cover of SI? I figured they were talking about Yankee Stadium, but I was there earlier this year and it looked nothing like that.
I am ever so confused.
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Frayed Knot
Sep 17 2008 11:01 AM
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| ]Shows you what an event driven culture we are living in today |
Not to mention how far baseball's popularity has plummeted since then.
Oh wait!
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SteveJRogers
Sep 17 2008 01:22 PM
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Oh a shot from Left Field huh?
Course you DO have to take into consideration the sparse crowds in Miami, heck how about the Rays not selling out the biggest series in their franchise's history? To say nothing about how the "new park spike" failed to take hold in Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Cincy, and Philly.
Lets not compare attendance at River Avenue & 161st on 9/30/73 and 9/21/08 and say simply that baseball is in better shape now than it was back in 1973.
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Frayed Knot
Sep 17 2008 01:30 PM
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No, but we could take ALL attendance figures from the early '70s and compare them to now, but you're just going to ignore those anyway since you prefer to start with the answer first and then only use the data which conforms to the pre-dertermined conclusion.
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metsguyinmichigan
Sep 17 2008 01:32 PM
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I think you can compare total attendace from today and 1973 and easily see that baseball is in better shape. Naturally, you'd have to subtract the six teams added since. But I bet the average attendance is still better.
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G-Fafif
Sep 17 2008 02:13 PM
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The sad part about Verducci's piece is it's written as if MFYS II is talking. The saving grace is it all but admits it's not the same building it was up to '73.
]I really haven't been myself since 1973, when they cut me clean open and for two years rearranged most of my vital organs (even the one that nimble-fingered Eddie Layton used to play), removed some of them and put me back together in such a way that I looked nothing like I did before.{/quote]
If this whole farewell thing had been framed Goodbye MFYS II, where 33 seasons of unforgettable baseball occurred, would it have not been sufficient? (Not for the MFY myth, no it wouldn't have been.)
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Benjamin Grimm
Sep 17 2008 02:18 PM
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A few decades from now, if not sooner, the official story will be that the construction of the new stadium was just a "refurbishment" and that it's still the same park that Ruth and Gehrig played in.
The story will be that the city offered the Yankees a new stadium, but they said, "Thanks but no thanks. We'll stay in the House that Ruth Built."
If you say anything often enough, it becomes true.
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metirish
Sep 17 2008 02:18 PM
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You mean yankee stadium?
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Frayed Knot
Sep 17 2008 02:19 PM
Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Sep 17 2008 04:49 PM
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Not merely better;
- but better for every single existing club
- approx 2.2 times better on average for existing clubs
- approx 2.65 times better for MLB as a whole
- 1973 shows 7 teams failing to draw 1 million vs 2007 where just 2 fail to draw 1.5mil
- 2 teams out of 24 drew 2+mil in 1973 vs 24 of 30 in '07
- 5 teams drew 1.5mil or more (Ana, Cinc, NYM, Det, StL) then vs all but the two Florida teams now
BTW, the "sparse crowds" in Miami and Tampa you deride today would have been known as 'above average' in 1973, finishing 9th & 10th out of 24 teams including ahead of both Chicago teams, Anaheim, Baltimore, San Fran, Atlanta, and, oh yeah, the Yanquis
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Benjamin Grimm
Sep 17 2008 02:19 PM
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| ="metirish"]
You mean yankee stadium? |
Nobody calls it that anymore.
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G-Fafif
Sep 17 2008 02:26 PM
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="Benjamin Grimm":duidosp0]A few decades from now, if not sooner, the official story will be that the construction of the new stadium was just a "refurbishment" and that it's still the same park that Ruth and Gehrig played in.
The story will be that the city offered the Yankees a new stadium, but they said, "Thanks but no thanks. We'll stay in the House that Ruth Built."
If you say anything often enough, it becomes true.[/quote:duidosp0]
Amen.
I wonder how much more than usual Shea will be bashed by the MFY suckups and knownothings during its final homestand. "At least the Yankees had the decency to definitively end their unprecedented run of success with finality. The Mets don't even have the decency to let their fans know that they will be eliminated by their last regular-season game. And Derek Jeter just set another secret record no one knew existed until ten minutes ago."
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Benjamin Grimm
Sep 17 2008 02:32 PM
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Trivia question: Which Met had the most hits at Shea Stadium, and how many did he have?
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G-Fafif
Sep 17 2008 02:38 PM
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Derek Jeter. A million.
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dgwphotography
Sep 17 2008 02:38 PM
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I'd have to say Mr. Kranepool.
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SteveJRogers
Sep 17 2008 02:40 PM
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My guess would be Kranepool
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metirish
Sep 17 2008 02:40 PM
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Will Jeter's hit record carry over into the new stadium ?
"hits falling like a soft rain here at River Av & 161 St"
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Benjamin Grimm
Sep 17 2008 02:44 PM
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Yup, Kranepool. 691.
If Jose Reyes gets 228 hits in the final homestand, he'll tie Kranepool's record.
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MFS62
Sep 17 2008 02:55 PM
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="Benjamin Grimm":1s85f85k]Yup, Kranepool. 691.
If Jose Reyes gets 228 hits in the final homestand, he'll tie Kranepool's record.[/quote:1s85f85k]
If Reyes gets 228 hits in the final homestand, my keen, analytical mind tell me the Mets will have a pretty good shot at making the playoffs.
Later
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metsguyinmichigan
Sep 17 2008 02:56 PM
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="Benjamin Grimm":2si2fpvi]Yup, Kranepool. 691.
If Jose Reyes gets 228 hits in the final homestand, he'll tie Kranepool's record.[/quote:2si2fpvi]
Verducci's likely take: "Reyes turned in a Jeter-like performance that was worthy of the Cathedreal (pauses to wipe tear) but will have to settle for the blue place by the airport."
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metirish
Sep 18 2008 07:05 AM
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Lord Jeter played his 1,000th game at Yankee Stadium last night , not sure if that's a record but it should be.
A-Rod meanwhile joined some good company.
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A-Rod's home run matches feat accomplished by Babe Ruth
BY Anthony McCarron
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Thursday, September 18th 2008, 1:04 AM
Alex Rodriguez joined Babe Ruth and left Hank Aaron and Mike Schmidt behind.
A-Rod's eighth-inning homer was his 35th this season, giving him 12 years with 35 or more. Ruth is the only other player with that many seasons with at least 35 homers.
A-Rod also became the first player in baseball history to have 12 seasons with 35 or more HRs and 100 or more RBI. Ruth did that 11 times.
It made for an interesting night for Rodriguez - he was booed in the second and fifth when he looked bad striking out each time. He said "it just felt good to put the ball in play tonight. I've stunk, honestly.
"Mechanically, I've got some things that need fixing. I know the score - when I stink, I get booed. When I do good, they cheer. It's all right."
Rodriguez also has 35 or more homers in 11 consecutive seasons, breaking a tie with Sammy Sosa for most all-time. |
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DocTee
Sep 18 2008 08:21 AM
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Who's up for a game of impromptu whiffle ball at St. Pat's? Or the local temple?
My grade school buddies and I once plotted this in our school's church-- laid out ground rules and evything, before we realized WTF, it's a church, not a playground.
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HahnSolo
Sep 18 2008 08:25 AM
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With every HR, water sprays from the Baptismal font.
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soupcan
Oct 22 2008 12:21 PM
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[url=http://www.stadiumpage.com/stpages/citi102108.html]Some more good ones here...[/url]
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AG/DC
Oct 22 2008 12:26 PM
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Wow. A lot of fire hydrants.
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themetfairy
Oct 22 2008 12:36 PM
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It looks nice.
What's with the faux bridge inside the park?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 22 2008 12:46 PM
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Apparently "bridges" are to be incorporated/suggested throughout in a nod to the Met logo and theoir representation of connecting the boroughs.
Park looks awfully closed, with all of left field behind the stands and some goofy shit in right center.
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metsguyinmichigan
Oct 22 2008 02:26 PM
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Are all those grey rectangles near the scoreboard and lights future ads? That sure does seem like a lot of them.
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Centerfield
Oct 22 2008 02:54 PM
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Where are the bullpens? And I don't like that funky shit in right-center either. I hope we don't have any contrived "quirks" in this field.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 22 2008 03:09 PM
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I think the 'pens have to be in that right-center funkiness, shots at the link have closeups showing there's some crap going in there anyway. I know the stands there are supposed to hover over the warning track, so get ready for quirktastic action.
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Farmer Ted
Oct 22 2008 03:13 PM
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Looks like those gray areas will be ads...and one right up there in between the light posts in left? I predict that's the "Company formerly known as Keyspan" ad location.
I like the configuration of the lights in the Chrysler Building motif.
Tall outfield walls in left?
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Gwreck
Oct 22 2008 03:26 PM
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Bullpens are under the two bridges.
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OlerudOwned
Oct 22 2008 04:07 PM
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So many in-play bleachers. Weeeiiiird.
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soupcan
Oct 30 2008 06:51 PM
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Edgy DC
Oct 30 2008 08:07 PM
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I like foul territory in the outfield, and not bleacher walls two feet away that run parallel to the line.
Not to pick. Zhea didn't have much.
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Willets Point
Oct 30 2008 08:30 PM
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A full set of bleachers along the outfield fence is one thing I really think Shea could have/should have had but didn't.
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metsguyinmichigan
Oct 30 2008 11:53 PM
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I like it. Though it looks like it is supposed to be surrounded by a neighborhood. Shea looked comfortable surrounded by parking lots, Citi looks a little out of place that way.
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SteveJRogers
Oct 31 2008 06:06 AM
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Well, that is something that it will have in common with Citizens Bank Ballpark as well! Oh it is in South Philly, but the distance between the neighboorhood and the Sports Complex is roughly the same as Citi/Shea and Flushing/Corona.
I'm pretty sure these are the only two of the "newer" ballparks not to be smack dab in the middle of some residential or comerical area.
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Benjamin Grimm
Oct 31 2008 06:54 AM
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I agree. Shea looked more suited for a big parking lot than Citi Field does. And Citizens Bank Park is in the same category, but since it's close to the Eagles' stadium, it at least looks like it's part of a complex.
Citi Field will get its urban neighbors if the Willets Point development plan goes forward. It may be years before that happens, if it ever does.
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G-Fafif
Oct 31 2008 07:02 AM
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They want to raze the chop shops, of course, but the facing of the administrative building attached to Citi Field on 126th St. does kind of blend in with those businesses (savory or otherwise) across the street. Agreed, however, on Citi Field in a parking lot. It may as well be Six Flags Over Baseball.
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Edgy DC
Oct 31 2008 07:12 AM
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Yeah, I said that shit years ago. Where's my no prize?
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Benjamin Grimm
Oct 31 2008 07:13 AM
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I think the Rangers' stadium is also one of those parking lot buildings. (The Six Flags comment made me think of it; you drive right past the ballpark on the way to the theme park.)
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metsguyinmichigan
Oct 31 2008 08:49 AM
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="Benjamin Grimm":3gs27u3n]I think the Rangers' stadium is also one of those parking lot buildings. (The Six Flags comment made me think of it; you drive right past the ballpark on the way to the theme park.)[/quote:3gs27u3n]
Milwaukee, too.
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SteveJRogers
Oct 31 2008 10:11 AM
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Completely forgot about The Ted in Atlanta as well, which is also off a highway pretty much. Which is funny considering The Georgia Dome and whatever replaced The Omni (home of NBA Hawks and NHL Thrashers) is located right in the middle of Atlanta's business district.
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G-Fafif
Oct 31 2008 11:24 AM
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So the Mets aren't just late to the retro game, they're following the wrong fork in the road.
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soupcan
Oct 31 2008 11:39 AM
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They could fix that though.
Once Shea comes down will they really need that parking beyond left field at Citi?
Develop that area with condos, hotels, etc. and you've got an area with water views and maybe a Wrigley-type atmosphere at street level.
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metsguyinmichigan
Oct 31 2008 11:46 AM
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Good call. But would right field be better? You have the train station, the park, the tennis places. Onther side looks like the Interstate.
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Edgy DC
Oct 31 2008 11:55 AM
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Well, the idea of the architecture not being complemented by a surrounding neighborhood demands that you build your faux Sesame Streets by the front of the building, doesn't it?
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soupcan
Oct 31 2008 11:57 AM
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="Edgy DC":jmnbig1j]Well, the idea of the architecture not being complemented by a surrounding neighborhood demands that you build your faux Sesame Streets by the front of the building, doesn't it?[/quote:jmnbig1j]
I think so. I do prefer 'Disney Streets' to Sesame Streets' but I see where you got that and where you're going Mr. Hooper.
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Benjamin Grimm
Oct 31 2008 11:58 AM
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It's that area across from right field that's proposed for redevelopment, isn't it? The plans do include a hotel. I could easily see myself staying in a hotel there and walking back to the room after a night game.
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soupcan
Oct 31 2008 12:12 PM
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Yes - right field.
Here's the plan...
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G-Fafif
Oct 31 2008 12:23 PM
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Having been down 126th St. quite recently, that artist's rendering of the vibrant Citi Village or whatever it would be called is fanciful beyond all sense of reality. Great if it happens, but don't hold your breath (unless you park amid the chop shops where they don't have working sewers).
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soupcan
Oct 31 2008 12:25 PM
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I agree, but don't understimate your soon-to-be three term mayor.
He does seem to be able to get what he wants, and he wants this.
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G-Fafif
Oct 31 2008 12:27 PM
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If he can get the law changed that easily, I wouldn't put anything past him.
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Willets Point
Oct 31 2008 12:27 PM
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Those artist's renderings are pretty hilarious.
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Farmer Ted
Oct 31 2008 12:47 PM
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My attempt at posting the satellite view of Turner Field in Atlanta bonked. In any case, you can check it out on Google satellite maps. They retained the base paths and fence outline in the concrete of Fulton County stadium (adjacent to the Ted). There is a monument honoring the location of Hank's record setting home run. Thought it was cool, that's all.
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soupcan
Oct 31 2008 12:51 PM
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| ="Farmer Ted"]My attempt at posting the satellite view of Turner Field in Atlanta bonked. In any case, you can check it out on Google satellite maps. They retained the base paths and fence outline in the concrete of Fulton County stadium (adjacent to the Ted). There is a monument honoring the location of Hank's record setting home run. Thought it was cool, that's all. |
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Centerfield
Oct 31 2008 01:03 PM
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="G-Fafif":2jjfbchs]If he can get the law changed that easily, I wouldn't put anything past him.[/quote:2jjfbchs]
The vote is going to be held in November. Other redevelopment projects, not on the scale of Willets Point, have already been approved by large margins, if that is any indication of what is to come.
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metsguyinmichigan
Oct 31 2008 01:07 PM
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That's cool! (Both the Ted and the renderings.)
St. Louis has some Ballpark Village plans, but as I saw a couple weeks ago, it's still a big dirt patch.
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Benjamin Grimm
Oct 31 2008 01:10 PM
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I like that ghost image of Fulton County Stadium. I hope they do as nice a job for Shea.
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HahnSolo
Oct 31 2008 01:37 PM
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This is the Mets. Don't hold your breath.
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metirish
Oct 31 2008 01:41 PM
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It would be a hell of a poke but in the new stadium we could have the "Chop Shop Splash" home run , although it might not be safe for the kids to be lining up out there waiting for one.
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G-Fafif
Oct 31 2008 01:46 PM
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="HahnSolo":3hpj3xtg]This is the Mets. Don't hold your breath.[/quote:3hpj3xtg]
I'm still stunned they built a new ballpark when targeted. I would have bet on a Shea "it'll be ready in 1963" scenario.
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Edgy DC
Oct 31 2008 02:01 PM
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="Willets Point":3vog3czv]Those artist's renderings are pretty hilarious.[/quote:3vog3czv]
What? You doubt that Shea's environs will be entirely populated by the thin, the neat, and the white?
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G-Fafif
Oct 31 2008 02:24 PM
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="Edgy DC":iyjlmtms]="Willets Point":iyjlmtms]Those artist's renderings are pretty hilarious.[/quote:iyjlmtms]
What? You doubt that Shea's environs will be entirely populated by the thin, the neat, and the white?[/quote:iyjlmtms]
And where are the hovercraft?
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soupcan
Oct 31 2008 07:40 PM
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Now that's funny.
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Edgy DC
Oct 31 2008 08:46 PM
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How 'bout some love for the straight man?
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SteveJRogers
Oct 31 2008 08:53 PM
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="G-Fafif":gggwrmyu]="HahnSolo":gggwrmyu]This is the Mets. Don't hold your breath.[/quote:gggwrmyu]
I'm still stunned they built a new ballpark when targeted. I would have bet on a Shea "it'll be ready in 1963" scenario.[/quote:gggwrmyu]
HA!
Anyone recall, or know what the hangup was there?
I mean it was literally right there on the 1962 program, "The 1963 Home Of The Mets" and all!
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soupcan
Oct 31 2008 09:19 PM
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="Edgy DC":3izds9qf]How 'bout some love for the straight man?[/quote:3izds9qf]
Goes without saying.
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Willets Point
Oct 31 2008 11:09 PM
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="Edgy DC":2ld5yelf]How 'bout some love for the straight man?[/quote:2ld5yelf]
Always working the gay icon angle aren't you?
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Edgy DC
Nov 01 2008 06:32 AM
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I'm a straight man in need of gay love, or something.
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metirish
Nov 03 2008 08:51 AM
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City now owns over 40% of Willets Point after latest buy
By John Lauinger
Daily News Staff Writer
Monday, November 3rd 2008, 10:29 AM
The city has gobbled up another chunk of Willets Point in Queens as Mayor Bloomberg pushes his plan to transform the gritty industrial zone near Shea Stadium.
In the biggest land deal to date in the neighborhood, the city persuaded Indian food distributor House of Spices - the second-largest landowner at Willets Point - to sell its 4 acres, city officials told the Daily News.
The deal is expected to be announced Monday along with an agreement for a third of an acre owned by another company.
Combined with previously inked deals, the city now controls more than 40% of the 62-acre tangle of auto body shops and other businesses - and could soon have half the land.
Bloomberg wants to spend $3 billion to turn the area into a glitzy enclave of 5,500 residences, stores, a hotel and a convention center.
The percentage of city-controlled land is becoming increasingly important as pressure mounts on Bloomberg to sell skeptical City Council members on his plan before Nov. 13. That is the deadline for the Council to take a make-or-break vote on the proposal.
Previously, 32 of 51 Council members signed a letter saying Bloomberg's $3 billion proposal is "doomed" unless eminent domain - the government's power to take private land for public use - is taken off the table.
City economic development officials are promising to roll out as many as nine additional deals before the deadline.
Four deals are "imminent" and could be announced this week, and talks with five other businesses are "very far along," said Andrew Brent, a spokesman for Deputy Mayor Robert Lieber.
If all of those deals are inked, the city would control slightly more than half of Willets Point.
"They still have a lot of work to do in a very short period of time," said City Councilman Hiram Monserrate (D-Queens), whose district includes Willets Point. He said the city must also add more affordable housing to the plan.
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Nov 03 2008 10:02 AM
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City now owns over 40% of Willets Point after latest buy
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No one owns me, I'm my own man!
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Benjamin Grimm
Nov 04 2008 10:50 AM
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<img src="http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj90/alpineinc/cfoct11.jpg">
Are those Doug Flynn's initials?
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metirish
Nov 04 2008 10:51 AM
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JR Ewing?
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soupcan
Nov 04 2008 10:52 AM
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'Junior' for Jeff Wilpon.
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metsguyinmichigan
Nov 04 2008 11:19 AM
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Looking at the construction workers and the "courage" work, I think the Robinson Routunda might turn out better than I expected.
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G-Fafif
Nov 04 2008 12:44 PM
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Where is the panel that delineates PROFIT?
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Vince Coleman Firecracker
Nov 04 2008 12:47 PM
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="G-Fafif":3nkr8yzs]Where is the panel that delineates PROFIT?[/quote:3nkr8yzs]
It's in your wallet, where your money used to be.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 04 2008 12:55 PM
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="Benjamin Grimm":k2s009ni]<img src="http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj90/alpineinc/cfoct11.jpg">
Are those Doug Flynn's initials?[/quote:k2s009ni]
lol
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Frayed Knot
Nov 04 2008 03:48 PM
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Hey, at least there are NYM logos on that gating and not LAD
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A Boy Named Seo
Nov 04 2008 03:59 PM
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Those things remind me of these things:
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metirish
Nov 04 2008 04:02 PM
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That's not for me?
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soupcan
Nov 06 2008 07:32 AM
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Edgy DC
Nov 06 2008 07:57 AM
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So a big difference there is no façade on the back of the upper bleachers. Is it because exposed ironwork is cool or is it to make more of an open-air concourse?
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Benjamin Grimm
Nov 06 2008 08:03 AM
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What about the color of the bricks? Does anyone know? How well does the color of Citi Field match Ebbets?
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metirish
Nov 06 2008 08:19 AM
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Ebbets Field looks better I think, at least from that view.
That's not a photo though , is it?
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soupcan
Nov 06 2008 08:39 AM
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Here's another
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HahnSolo
Nov 06 2008 09:34 AM
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Easiest Where's Waldo ever.
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soupcan
Nov 06 2008 09:37 AM
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Golf clap.
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soupcan
Nov 18 2008 10:58 AM
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Sod is down...
<embed src="http://p.webshots.com/flash/smallplayer.swf?videoFile=http://videoserve.webshots.com/video/24450/3089084790103570023UFsLRK_v_0.flv&audio=on&displayImagePreview=http://videothumb11.webshots.com/thumb/24450/3089084790103570023UFsLRKstill_002_0.jpg&videoPageUrl=http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3089084790103570023UFsLRK&autoPlay=false&shareLink=http://cards.webshots.com/ecard/personalize?photoId=3089084790103570023%26source=v" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350" quality="best" allowscriptaccess="always"></embed><br><br><a href="http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3089084790103570023UFsLRK">Picture 2326.avi</a>
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metirish
Nov 18 2008 10:59 AM
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I got to say that seeing those pictures excites me.
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metsguyinmichigan
Nov 18 2008 11:47 AM
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Easiest Where's Waldo ever. |
VERY funny!
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SteveJRogers
Nov 18 2008 07:56 PM
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It is now a neat juxtaposition looking at Shea and Citi Field in overhead photos now and a year ago.
One stadium with field and seats waiting for the new season to begin, the other the field looks like a battlefield, and the seats are not installed.
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Zvon
Nov 18 2008 08:19 PM
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="metirish":1zykiufq]I got to say that seeing those pictures excites me.[/quote:1zykiufq]
I have to admit they excite me too.
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Edgy DC
Nov 18 2008 08:56 PM
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Looking at those pictures, it's be kind of cool if they just paved over the field area and let the structure stand, letting early comers park and tailgate on the former field.
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Willets Point
Nov 18 2008 09:17 PM
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="Edgy DC":ez0b190s]Looking at those pictures, it's be kind of cool if they just paved over the field area and let the structure stand, letting early comers park and tailgate on the former field.[/quote:ez0b190s]
And in a thousand years it will have the derelict charm of the Roman Coliseum. Hey, it already has the feral cats.
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Benjamin Grimm
Nov 19 2008 04:29 AM
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I've thought the same thing. They'd just have to pop out some passageways so that traffic could flow easily.
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SteveJRogers
Nov 25 2008 02:15 PM
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From baseball-fever.com a view from behind home plate
 <br><br><br><I>(Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008</i>)
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Benjamin Grimm
Nov 25 2008 02:18 PM
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That porch in right field looks like a drawer that needs to be pushed shut.<br><br><br><I>(Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008</i>)
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metirish
Nov 25 2008 02:26 PM
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From baseball-fever
 <br><br><br><I>(Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008</i>)
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G-Fafif
Nov 25 2008 02:27 PM
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Orange foul poles, my heart be still.<br><br><br><I>(Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008</i>)
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Benjamin Grimm
Nov 25 2008 02:29 PM
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I can picture a slicing line drive landing in fair territory and bouncing into the stands at the lower left.
I guess it would still be a ground-rule double if that happened, even though the stands it bounces into are in foul territory.
I wonder what "Hal the Referee" would say?<br><br><br><I>(Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008</i>)
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 25 2008 02:31 PM
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="G-Fafif":17s8qtsk]Orange foul poles, my heart be still.[/quote:17s8qtsk]
Yeah. Looked like earlier versions had 'em yellow. Maybe they were just renderings.<br><br><br><I>(Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008</i>)
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Frayed Knot
Nov 25 2008 02:34 PM
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Oh it would be a G-R double.
Stuff like that happens all the time in Philly (both the new place and the old) and both in YSII and in RF in Boston (and I'm sure others as well).
Hard to tell, but these jutting stands in LF don't look to have as extreme an angle as those in Philly but looks like we'll still get our share of goofy bounces back towards fair territory for balls that stay low enough to hit the facing of the stands and not bounce into the seats themselves.<br><br><br><I>(Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008</i>)
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Farmer Ted
Nov 25 2008 02:46 PM
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There appear to be extra tunnels in the upper deck behind home plate. Quick outs for the upper level fat cats.
What is that press-box-looking-structure behind home plate (about 15 feet up from playing level?<br><br><br><I>(Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008</i>)
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Benjamin Grimm
Dec 02 2008 04:08 PM
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| ]Citi Field nearly ready to open its doors
Builders of Mets' new ballpark influenced by other stadiums
By Anthony DiComo / MLB.com
NEW YORK -- The left-field wall rises conspicuously high at Citi Field, making it both a point of note and, recently, a point of contention.
"Eighteen feet," Mets COO Jeff Wilpon guessed on Tuesday, before a site worker pegged the actual height at 16 feet. And Wilpon was pleased.
Citi Field, he said, may retain its predecessor's reputation as a pitcher-friendly park, but it hardly caters only to those on the mound. Toward the end of September, in fact, Wilpon invited players David Wright, Daniel Murphy and Nick Evans out for a private batting practice session at the new park, and all three of them managed to yank a pitch over the wall.
"Evans put it halfway up the left-field deck," Wilpon said. "It's totally reachable."
Such details of the new stadium have now become focal points, because Citi Field is so close to completion. A stroll through the park on Tuesday revealed that all the seats have been installed, the press box and Diamond Club are already encased in glass, and workers have begun installing major appliances within the concession stands.
Yet of greater interest to Wright, Murphy, Evans and others in uniform, of course, is what lies deeper within the stadium. Lockers have been fully installed in the home clubhouse -- Wright has already chosen his -- and the carpet and bathroom tiles feature images of the fluorescent icons affixed to Shea Stadium's exterior walls.
Adjacent rooms lead to some typical clubhouse amenities -- the manager's office, kitchen and weight room, to name a few -- save for one in the back that houses a hot tub, a cold tub and an underwater treadmill. Unlike anything at Shea Stadium, that room, along with one for indoor batting cages and pitching mounds, will allow players to rehab injuries at Citi Field, rather than always fly to the team's Spring Training complex in Port St. Lucie, Fla.
In designing this ballpark, the Mets patched together ideas and influences from stadiums around the country. An overhang in right field, for example, protrudes above the warning track in a nod to the old Tiger Stadium. In the upper deck, a two-tiered layout reveals influence from Cincinnati's Great American Ball Park. Pieces of Citizens Bank Park in Philadelphia and Coors Field in Denver are present, though Wilpon noted that his greatest influence in the design of Citi Field was seven-year-old PNC Park in Pittsburgh.
"I wanted to super-size Pittsburgh," said Wilpon, who went on a nationwide ballpark tour before building his own. "I really liked Pittsburgh the best."
Yet the one influence, even more than Pittsburgh's, that Wilpon wanted to capture was that of Ebbets Field in Brooklyn -- the inspiration for Citi Field's exterior and perhaps its most prominent feature, the Jackie Robinson Rotunda.
Still incomplete, the rotunda will become Citi Field's main entranceway, allowing fans to spill out of the Willits Point subway station and into a miniature baseball shrine. An escalator leads up to the seating bowl and down below, Robinson's nine values -- a staple of the Jackie Robinson Foundation's message -- are featured. Before Opening Day, workers will also erect a nine-foot No. 42 for fans to see as they enter the park.
Steps outside the rotunda lies something similarly striking, if only for its incompleteness. Shea Stadium, home of the Mets for 44 years, has been reduced to an empty dirt bowl, its seats stripped, its sod removed and nearly all of its signage disappeared. Wilpon said he hoped that Shea would be completely disassembled and converted into a parking lot by Opening Day, with small markers at the site of home plate and the pitcher's rubber.
Already, Shea Stadium's frame is nearly lost in the shadow of Citi Field, which -- despite holding only 42,500 seats, roughly a 25 percent drop from Shea -- seems built on a much greater scale. There are open areas for picnic tables and standing room, and a "GA Club" behind home plate in which ticket-holders can mingle. There is a Diamond Plaza near the rotunda where Shea Stadium's old home run apple will rest, and a large concrete basin in center field for Citi Field's new apple.
There are tiered bullpens in center field -- the Mets will have the lower one, closer to the field -- and a plaza outside the rotunda for greenery.
Wilpon was steps away from that plaza, inside the Jackie Robinson Rotunda, when he looked up and admired his handiwork.
"Powerful, right?" he said. "It's now becoming what we want it to become." |
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G-Fafif
Dec 02 2008 04:34 PM
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Very pretty pictures of a very pretty ballpark-to-be. But their immediate impact is to make me sad in that it's so not Shea. I know, I know: that's the idea. A few innings inside could have me changing my tune pretty quickly, but it just looks like something else from somewhere else right now.
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Edgy DC
Dec 02 2008 04:56 PM
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="Anthony DiComo":3aqa8uko]Toward the end of September, in fact, Wilpon invited players David Wright, Daniel Murphy and Nick Evans out for a private batting practice session at the new park, and all three of them managed to yank a pitch over the wall.[/quote:3aqa8uko]
What in particular gets your attention about this sentence?
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metirish
Dec 02 2008 04:59 PM
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That Nick Evens hit one out , that it was towards the end of September ,that " yank a pitch over the wall" doesn't sound that far.
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Benjamin Grimm
Dec 02 2008 05:10 PM
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I like that the tiles and carpeting include a tribute to Shea Stadium.
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Edgy DC
Dec 02 2008 05:14 PM
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Richard Pryor had this observation to make during a seventies routine. People were talking about this dystopic futureshock sci-fi movie, called <i>Logan's Run</i> that left them unsettled. He went to it and was unsettled for a different reason.
"I noticed there were no colored folks in this movie. Somebody's not expecting us to be around."
Not that I think they're eradicating peeps of color from the roster, but while some Omar-critics may find it depressing that only five of 17 batters on the roster are caucasian, I noticed three of those five were the only ones invited to Jeff Wilpon's (who I don't think is a moron) private sleepover. Dude needs to broaden his experience. This ain't the Greenvale School.
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Edgy DC
Dec 02 2008 05:16 PM
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And yeah, I'm not too keen on Wilpon not understanding that they should be focused on the business at hand in late September.
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Nymr83
Dec 02 2008 05:18 PM
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It seems obvious that Wright would be the first one invited and Murphy was being rewarded for his explosive rookie performance.
Nick Evans? really? you need Nick Evans to test out your new park? I understand not inviting Delgado who might not be back but where was Beltran? Reyes?
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Edgy DC
Dec 02 2008 05:23 PM
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Pat Zachry.
I mean, good sources have assured me that they speak English and everything.
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G-Fafif
Dec 02 2008 05:48 PM
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Anthony DiComo obviously drives to games and has never seen the sign for the station (or met our own Willets Point).
With the ballpark name in at least a little limbo, one hopes the MTA hasn't invested in new station signs just yet.
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metirish
Dec 02 2008 05:58 PM
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| ="metirish"]That Nick Evens hit one out , that it was towards the end of September ,that " yank a pitch over the wall" doesn't sound that far. |
I had not read the article when I made that comment , so Wilpon was talking about a 16 foot high wall in LF , not sure if I'm Nick Evens I think that the boss is giving me a compliment here.
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Evans put it halfway up the left-field deck," Wilpon said. "It's totally reachable."
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Edgy DC
Dec 02 2008 06:10 PM
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I want it noted, suckers, that one of the primary indictments of Shea --- that the outfield field-level seats largely face directly toward the outfield, rather than the infield where most of the action occurs, does not appear to be improved upon at all at Citi.
<img src="http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj90/alpineinc/3039803772_05bb7ea07c_c.jpg" width="700">
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metirish
Dec 04 2008 08:54 AM
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High staircase and escalator obviously , people falling and going splat on the Robinson rotunda is to be expected I would think.
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Edgy DC
Dec 04 2008 09:25 AM
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="soupcan":188c6xn0]Not so!
Angled seats...[/quote:188c6xn0]
Well, shut my mouth. Rows angled maybe ten degrees toward the infield. Seats angled ten degrees more. That's something.
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Benjamin Grimm
Dec 04 2008 09:27 AM
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<img src="http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q308/soupcan11/angledseats.jpg" width="800" height="524">
I do like the improved legroom. You can even have a guy in a hardhat kneel down in front of your seat, if that's your idea of a good time.
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Edgy DC
Dec 04 2008 09:30 AM
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You've been reading my blog.
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soupcan
Dec 04 2008 01:12 PM
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[url=http://cbsrny.cbsradio.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=3196002&at1=Sport&h1=:3bdfxevb]Cool little video tour of Citi[/url:3bdfxevb]
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metirish
Dec 04 2008 01:18 PM
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="soupcan":3fpddl03][url=http://cbsrny.cbsradio.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=3196002&at1=Sport&h1=:3fpddl03]Cool little video tour of Citi[/url:3fpddl03][/quote:3fpddl03]
Very cool , at the 2:10 mark they show a fenced in patch of green next to the stand in what I think is left of center field , is that the bullpen?
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Farmer Ted
Dec 04 2008 01:28 PM
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Mets logo on the end seat of each row. Looking classy.
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soupcan
Dec 04 2008 01:29 PM
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A lot of nice hi-res shots like this at [url=http://www.metsblog.com/]metsblog.com[/url] on the front page.
This the first pic I've seen of the nice w - i - d - e concourses.
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seawolf17
Dec 04 2008 01:34 PM
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="metirish":cf49cmfu]High staircase and escalator obviously , people falling and going splat on the Robinson rotunda is to be expected I would think.[/quote:cf49cmfu]
Considering what happened this year, you'd think they'd be conscious of that.
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Benjamin Grimm
Dec 04 2008 01:40 PM
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They should string circus-style safety nets below each of the escalators.
That concourse <i>does</i> look nice. It's easy to see how you could be standing on the hot dog line while keeping an eye on the game. That, I think, is the best thing that the new stadium will have over Shea.
I also like the visible steel infrastructure, although that's hardly an innovation.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 04 2008 01:43 PM
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="Benjamin Grimm":3jnxf2zm]
I also like the visible steel infrastructure, although that's hardly an innovation.[/quote:3jnxf2zm]
Yeah, though its supposed to subtly remind you of the bridge on the Mets logo, which is supposed to remind you of how the Mets reached across the city to "bridge" fans of the Giants and Dodgers, and the Eastsiders and Westsiders, and Kiddies and Wives, and the Butcher, the Baker and the People on the Street.
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Edgy DC
Dec 04 2008 01:49 PM
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Thank God the Mets brought kiddies and wives together.
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Willets Point
Dec 04 2008 03:19 PM
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="Edgy DC":h0g9fccu]You've been reading my blog.[/quote:h0g9fccu]
I want to read this blog.
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Valadius
Dec 04 2008 04:02 PM
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I like the use of brick on the inside of the stadium rather than just the facade.
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Rockin' Doc
Dec 04 2008 05:23 PM
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No one will ever pull an Endy on that left field wall. How tall is that wall in left field?
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Zvon
Dec 04 2008 05:33 PM
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What I like: almost everything. It looks beautiful, real low to the ground.
User friendly for the fan. On the whole a nice new home for my Metsies.
What I don't like:
I've never been a fan of the two tier bullpen. Hate em! Bullpen fights could make things exciting though.
I really like the use of chain link fence here, but that one outjutting looks like trouble to me.
Once again, the whole right field set up should make things exciting.
(I'm not against "exciting", I just do not like silly injuries)
I like an outfield wall where there's always a possibility of pulling one back into the park.
So I'm not too thrilled with the height of that left field wall.
I am assuming that these are the outfield walls (that there wont be wooden ones placed a foot or so in front of those we see, which I think I'd prefer).
I'm sure that if they go with these concrete walls that will be padded with the best material available, but I still don't like the idea of a wall with absolutely no give to it.
Don't mind me.
Im just being an idiopathic idiosyncrat.
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themetfairy
Dec 04 2008 05:57 PM
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Not at all Zvon - I enjoyed your illustrative input.
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Edgy DC
Dec 04 2008 06:05 PM
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I like an outfield wall with a hidden door that an outfielder can suddenly disappear through.
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Valadius
Dec 04 2008 06:36 PM
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It's almost like they're setting up for a Field of Dreams cornfield stunt.
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Frayed Knot
Dec 04 2008 09:20 PM
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Or a Manny signing.
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soupcan
Dec 07 2008 04:02 PM
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Old Apple goes here?
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Benjamin Grimm
Dec 07 2008 05:23 PM
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My understanding (could be wrong, though) is that the old apple is going to be inside the stadium but somewhere in centerfield.
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Edgy DC
Dec 07 2008 05:36 PM
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That'll be an all-nu apple.
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soupcan
Dec 07 2008 05:42 PM
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You saying all-nu inside or all-nu outside?
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Edgy DC
Dec 07 2008 07:15 PM
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All-nu inside.
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soupcan
Dec 07 2008 07:21 PM
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Right - but that podium or hole or whatever is outside, so I'm thinking that's where the old one will go.
Or a statue..?
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Frayed Knot
Dec 07 2008 07:23 PM
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Yeah, my understanding was nu-apple inside, apple-classic on view somewhere outside.
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G-Fafif
Dec 07 2008 08:08 PM
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Both will be out in center, according to Metsblog, which was on the media tour last week.
| ]For starters, Jeff Wilpon told reporters that the old Home-Run Apple from Shea Stadium will be on display in back of the concourse in center field, which was good to hear. However, a new Apple will pop up from a concrete cannister beneath the center-field scoreboard. |
That thing they're building outside, obviously, is a kiddie pool.
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soupcan
Dec 12 2008 02:41 PM
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So the outside is an homage to Ebbets.
The green seats are supposedly a nod to the Polo Grounds.
Where's Shea? Oh there it is, on the floor of the locker room.
Is that the ugliest damn rug you've ever seen or what?
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Edgy DC
Dec 12 2008 02:44 PM
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That honor still belongs to the late Joe Pepitone.
<img src="http://www.kjmpromotions.com/Images/kevpepitone.jpg">
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Zvon
Dec 12 2008 02:49 PM
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That is one ugly rug.
So Shea gets the honor of being stepped on?
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Valadius
Dec 12 2008 04:58 PM
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Pepitone's rug looks like Blagojevich's.
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metirish
Dec 12 2008 05:03 PM
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="Edgy DC":befgt7hd]That honor still belongs to the late Joe Pepitone.
<img src="http://www.kjmpromotions.com/Images/kevpepitone.jpg">[/quote:befgt7hd]
Very funny.
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dgwphotography
Dec 12 2008 05:11 PM
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| ="Edgy DC"]That honor still belongs to the late Joe Pepitone.
<img src="http://www.kjmpromotions.com/Images/kevpepitone.jpg"> |
I'm think Phil here would give Joe a run for his money:
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themetfairy
Dec 12 2008 05:14 PM
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That has to be Phil's own hair. Nobody would construct a toupee THAT ugly!
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metsguyinmichigan
Dec 12 2008 05:43 PM
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="metirish":3bn5ocf6]="Edgy DC":3bn5ocf6]That honor still belongs to the late Joe Pepitone.
<img src="http://www.kjmpromotions.com/Images/kevpepitone.jpg">[/quote:3bn5ocf6]
Very funny.[/quote:3bn5ocf6]
WOW. And the rug on the guy on the right in the tan coat is horrible, too!
And if I were Phil Spector's attorney, I'd go for the insanity defense and just point to him sitting there with that 'do and sit back and wait for the acquittal.
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soupcan
Dec 12 2008 07:11 PM
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Pepitone's dead?
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Edgy DC
Dec 12 2008 07:59 PM
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Guess not. My boo-boo. Sorry, Joe.
I just sent a white elephant Christmas gift to my sister's Yankfan boyfriend. It was a Yankee hat that my brother got Pepitone's autograph on. What did he ever think I'd want with that.
One time Pepitone, after missing a ballgame with a niggling injury while playing in Japan, was photographed at a disco later, out dancing with his wig. To this day, supposedly, American players who come to Japan and play the diva are called "Pepitones."
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Willets Point
Dec 13 2008 05:52 PM
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="soupcan":1k1wbb9f]
Is that the ugliest damn rug you've ever seen or what?[/quote:1k1wbb9f]
The carpet will be vastly improved by frequently soaking it in champagne.
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Farmer Ted
Dec 13 2008 06:47 PM
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I was living in NC in the mid 90s and in charge of putting on a sports-related banquet. The Yankees had a minor league team in Greensboro for a number of years and the committee board voted to have a former Yankee or a current member of the organization to be the featured speaker. I swallowed my pride and called the Bronx. The PR office hack said someone would be in touch in a few days. Phone rings 20 minutes later. Pepitone on the other end. No shit. I explain we're looking for a speaker yadda yadda yadda and he says "I'll do it (basically volunteering himself). We can work on a fee but you need to fly me down there. Great times I had in that town." Apparently he had the gig of lining up the Yankees alumni for public appearances. I went back to the committee and told them Pepitone was the best I could do (not that I tried any harder). The room busted into hysterical laughter and we found someone else from a different sport to speak.
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Edgy DC
Dec 13 2008 07:03 PM
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There was an episode of <i>Mad About You</i> where Jamie asked what ballplayer they can get for a personal appearance on a limited budget. Paul's answer was an aging swinger of a sixties Yankee firstbaseman clearly based on the Pep.
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cooby
Dec 13 2008 07:56 PM
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I swear I was thinking about Joe Pepitone this morning. And why?
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Ashie62
Dec 17 2008 07:05 AM
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="cooby":3lcpnzjo]I swear I was thinking about Joe Pepitone this morning. And why?[/quote:3lcpnzjo]
Did you wake up with a woody?
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Rockin' Doc
Dec 17 2008 10:24 AM
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I believe that would be a physical impossibility for cooby.
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metsmarathon
Dec 17 2008 11:46 AM
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well, this thread sure has taken some strange strange turns hasn't it?
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Edgy DC
Jan 07 2009 07:49 AM
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NEW YORK-- Mayor Michael Bloomberg's administration will forgo luxury boxes at the new Yankees and Mets ballparks, the city said Tuesday after months of criticism about its handling of the stadium projects.
The administration has worked out a new deal with the Yankees to get extra money, instead of a luxury box. A separate and similar agreement is being worked out with the Mets for their new park, a Bloomberg spokesman said.
Senior Bloomberg aides had fought hard to get the luxury boxes, describing the perk in internal e-mails as "a big issue to the mayor" during negotiations with the teams in 2006.
That battle for the boxes only recently came to light as state and federal lawmakers launched investigations into how the teams and the administration went about making those deals.
The decision to give up the luxury boxes comes as Bloomberg seeks reelection this year and repeatedly cites the city's enormous budget shortfalls.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 07 2009 07:56 AM
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They gave it up at the same time they were forced to cough up reams of smoking guns on how filthy the whole thing was, including begging by the MFYs to increase their duistribution of public $$ to cover shit like their scoreboard and video board. Mets are also asking for more but about half the MFYs overall since the project was so much less expensive.
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Centerfield
Jan 07 2009 03:17 PM
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I think the Mets should sign Manny and ask the public to pick up the tab.
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