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batmagadanleadoff Jul 19 2008 11:57 AM

Fernando Tatis is leading the Majors in OPS for the month of July.* (*Among players with 3.1 plate appearances for each game that their team has played this month.)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 19 2008 11:59 AM

All the more reason his GIDP on a 3-1 pitch last night was such a nutpunch.

Nymr83 Jul 19 2008 12:12 PM

wow.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 28 2008 06:07 AM

If Fernando Tatis had just one more plate appearance this month*, he'd be leading the Majors in Batting Average, Slugging Percentage and OPS for the month of July.** He'd also be leading the NL in OBP for the month of July, second in the Majors only to Manny Ramirez (.500 to .486) and he'd be second in the Majors in RC27, trailing Adam Laroche (14.77 to 14.47) (*Tatis has 70 plate appearances in 23 Mets games played this month.) (**Among players with 3.1 plate appearances for each game that their team has played this month.)

batmagadanleadoff Jul 28 2008 07:16 AM

="batmagadanleadoff"]If Fernando Tatis had just one more plate appearance this month*, he'd be leading the Majors in Batting Average, Slugging Percentage and OPS for the month of July.** He'd also be leading the NL in OBP for the month of July, second in the Majors only to Manny Ramirez (.500 to .486) and he'd be second in the Majors in RC27, trailing Adam Laroche (14.77 to 14.47) (*Tatis has 70 plate appearances in 23 Mets games played this month.) (**Among players with 3.1 plate appearances for each game that their team has played this month.) Update: Fernando Tatis is leading the Majors in BA, SLG and OPS for the month of July, and is leading the NL in OBP for the month of July. I simply credited Tatis with the extra At-Bat he needed to qualify and assumed that the extra at-bat resulted in an out. Tatis still came out on top in the above categories.

HahnSolo Jul 28 2008 08:22 AM

What's RC27? If that's a stupid question, please forgive my ignorance.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2008 08:30 AM

'Runs Created' per 27 outs. Runs created is the result of throwing the sum total of a hitter's output into a formula that estimates how many runs he personally adds to a team. Then dividing that total by each 27 outs (full game) he makes adjusts for playing time and shows how many runs a theoretical lineup full of said player would score.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 28 2008 08:32 AM

How do they define runs created for the RC27 formula? Is it the old (R + RBI) - HR? Or is it something more complex?

batmagadanleadoff Jul 28 2008 08:34 AM

HahnSolo wrote: What's RC27? If that's a stupid question, please forgive my ignorance. RC27 is an acronym for "Runs Created over 27 outs". Tatis' RC27 for the month of July is 14.47. Thus, a lineup comprised of nine Fernando Tatis' would score 14.47 runs if given 27 outs at the rate of three per inning. I used ESPN.com's web site for the stat, and thus, ESPN.com's formula for RC27. Formulas for RC27 vary.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 28 2008 08:39 AM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: How do they define runs created for the RC27 formula? Is it the old (R + RBI) - HR? Or is it something more complex? It's more complex. Runs Created formulas were originally reverse engineered by working with statistical season totals for leagues, and then working backwards to create a formula that would predict as closely as possible, the number of runs scored by the league. Statisticians preferred working with league totals because of the large sample sizes the data would yield.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2008 08:45 AM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: How do they define runs created for the RC27 formula? Is it the old (R + RBI) - HR? Or is it something more complex? More complex. Basically it's some form of (A*B)/C where A is getting on base, B is power, and C is plate appearences. There are numerous versions of RC. Some attempt to include every GiDP, SF, SB, CS, etc., in an attempt to fine-tune it down to the smallest detail. Others just use the major stats and figure that the other stuff is pretty much a wash.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 28 2008 08:50 AM

Here's a wiki entry for runs created: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runs_created

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2008 08:55 AM

Just to show how the 'per/27 outs' part comes into play; ESPN's stats show Reyes as currently 9th in the NL in raw 'Runs Created'. But of course he comes to bat more than most others so when the per/27 part factors in [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?split=0&league=nl&season=2008&seasonType=2&sort=runsCreatedPer27Outs&type=sab&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&state=0&college=0&country=0&hand=a&pos=all&startDate=null&endDate=null&minpa=0]he drops to 22nd[/url] on account of making more outs while creating those runs.

AG/DC Jul 28 2008 09:36 AM

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Thus, a lineup comprised of nine Fernando Tatis' would score 14.47 runs if given 27 outs at the rate of three per inning. I think the plural of Tatis is Tates.

Gwreck Jul 28 2008 11:36 AM

Nope. It's like Moose or Fish. If you have a lineup of 9 Fernandos, it would be 9 Tatis.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 29 2008 06:39 AM

With his two for four last night including a triple, Fernando Tatis continues ro lead the Majors in Batting Average, Slugging Percentage and OPS for the month of July.* Tatis (14.79) also passed Adam Laroche (14.77) for the July Major League league-lead in RC27. Tatis' .486 also leads the NL in OBP for the month of July, second in the Majors only to Manny Ramirez (.494). (*Among players with 3.1 plate appearances for each game that their team has played this month.)

AG/DC Jul 29 2008 07:27 AM

He's leading the league in the Player of the Month race as far as I can see: Batting candidates: Player TEAM POS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Tatis NYM OF 22 65 13 27 7 1 6 18 54 9 13 1 0 .415 .486 .831 1.317 Laroche Pit 1B 22 77 16 30 7 2 7 18 62 12 17 0 0 .390 .472 .805 1.277 Braun Mil OF 22 89 15 34 5 3 9 23 72 8 15 1 0 .382 .430 .809 1.239 Delgado NYM 1B 24 91 19 34 8 0 8 22 66 15 18 0 1 .374 .459 .725 1.184 Hardy Mil SS 23 97 21 37 7 0 9 21 71 7 16 1 1 .381 .423 .732 1.155 Pitching candidates: Player TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO Haren ARI 2 1 1.50 4 4 0 0 0 0 30 23 6 5 0 1 5 32 Jimenez COL 5 1 1.74 6 6 1 0 0 0 41.1 29 8 8 3 4 15 29 Pelfrey NYM 4 0 1.75 5 5 0 0 0 0 36 28 7 7 3 3 3 25 Sabathia MIL 4 0 1.82 5 5 3 1 0 0 39.2 29 10 8 2 2 10 34 Cain SF 2 2 2.00 5 5 1 1 0 0 36 24 9 8 0 1 14 33 Hoffman SD 0 0 1.69 7 0 0 0 7 7 5.1 5 1 1 1 0 0 6 The Pitcher of the Month seems to be down to teh final start for Mssrs. Jiminez, Pelfrey, and Sabathia. Ollie has had a great month also, but isn't walking away with the decisions. Yes, I realize that 5.1 innings pitched shouldn't qualify Hoffman for Anything of the Anything, but I wanted a representative reliever had he had the best perfect save record at seven for seven.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 29 2008 07:51 AM

I'm skeptical about Tatis winning the Player of the Month award. Although Tatis clearly has the best rate stats in the NL, there are a few candidates who have closely maintained Tatis' pace over 20-30 more plate appearances. TBD

metirish Jul 29 2008 07:58 AM

Keith Hernandez last night was touting Tatis as a possible comeback player of the year winner.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 29 2008 07:59 AM

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Although Tatis clearly has the best rate stats in the NL, there are a few candidates who have closely maintained Tatis' pace over 20-30 more plate appearances. Also, Hardy's hitting nearly as well while playing some good D at shortstop.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 29 2008 07:59 AM

Twenty or 30 plate appearances is significant when looking at monthly totals. Those additional plate appearances constitute between 25 and 45% of Tatis JUly plate appearances to date. Tatis is, for example, 12th in the NL in Runs Created for the month of July.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 29 2008 08:12 AM

="AG/DC"]I think the plural of Tatis is Tates. I think that the plural of this is Tates. Or this:

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 29 2008 08:17 AM

One child, two children. One Tatis, two Tatildren.

AG/DC Jul 29 2008 08:22 AM

Crisis, crises. Synthesis, syntheses. Tatis, Tates.

AG/DC Jul 29 2008 08:25 AM

It's amazing.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 29 2008 08:25 AM

One ibis, two ibises. One Tatis, two Tatises.

metsmarathon Jul 29 2008 12:28 PM

one basis, two bases. one tatis, two tates.

AG/DC Jul 30 2008 12:12 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 01 2008 07:53 AM

Delgado made a strong statment last night to perhaps take the lead in Player of the Month jockeying, while Tatis sat and stewed. I'm adding Matt Holliday to the list, not so much because of a late surge as the field falling back toward him. J.J. Hardy is falling back in the pack. On the pitching side, Matt Cain was in action, striking out eight and giving up just two runs, one earned, in seven innngs. A good enough effort for the Dodgers to hand Cain and his Giants the loss. Eight innngs of shutout ball by Carlos Zambrano throws his Cubbie hat into the ring, though. No more indulging Hoffman. Player TEAM POS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Tatis NYM OF 23 59 13 28 7 1 6 18 55 9 14 1 0 .406 .474 .797 1.271 Laroche Pit 1B 22 77 16 30 7 2 7 18 62 12 17 0 0 .390 .472 .805 1.277 Braun Mil OF 23 93 15 35 5 3 9 23 73 8 17 1 0 .376 .423 .785 1.208 Delgado NYM 1B 25 94 20 35 8 0 9 24 70 16 19 0 1 .372 .461 .745 1.206 Hardy Mil SS 24 101 21 37 7 0 9 21 71 7 18 1 1 .366 .407 .703 1.110 Holliday Col OF 25 95 22 34 5 0 8 23 63 16 18 5 0 .358 .451 .663 1.114 Player TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO Haren ARI 2 1 1.50 4 4 0 0 0 0 30 23 6 5 0 1 5 32 Jimenez COL 5 1 1.74 6 6 1 0 0 0 41.1 29 8 8 3 4 15 29 Pelfrey NYM 4 0 1.75 5 5 0 0 0 0 36 28 7 7 3 3 3 25 Sabathia MIL 4 0 1.82 5 5 3 1 0 0 39.2 29 10 8 2 2 10 34 Cain SF 2 3 1.86 6 6 1 1 0 0 43 32 11 9 0 1 14 41 C. Zambrano SD 4 1 1.78 5 5 0 0 0 0 35.1 22 7 7 2 1 10 28

duan Jul 30 2008 03:39 PM if delgado Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 30 2008 03:43 PM

ignore. fuller thought below.

duan Jul 30 2008 03:42 PM

I discount Laroche, because doing it in a pennant race always starts to count to some degree. I discount Tatis because his rate stats are noticeably lower. I think whichever of the Braun/Delgado/Hardy hits the 10th HR is the one who'll win. Great month for the mets though - two players not named, Jose, David or Beltran in the running for the POTM - who'd have thought that.

AG/DC Aug 01 2008 08:37 AM

Time's up. Get yer votes in. Player TEAM POS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Tatis NYM OF 24 73 14 29 7 1 6 18 56 9 15 1 0 .397 .463 .767 1.231 Laroche Pit 1B 22 77 16 30 7 2 7 18 62 12 17 0 0 .390 .472 .805 1.277 Braun Mil OF 25 101 16 37 6 3 9 23 76 8 21 1 0 .366 .411 .752 1.163 Delgado NYM 1B 26 98 20 35 8 0 9 24 70 16 19 0 1 .357 .445 .714 1.159 Hardy Mil SS 26 109 21 37 7 0 9 21 71 7 21 1 1 .339 .379 .651 1.030 Holliday Col OF 27 100 24 37 5 0 8 24 66 18 19 5 0 .370 .467 .660 1.127 Ankiel StL OF 22 85 12 30 5 0 7 21 56 5 21 1 0 .353 .396 .659 1.055 PLAYER TEAM GP GS IP H R ER BB SO W L HLD SV SVO ERA Mike Lincoln CIN 12 0 14 6 0 0 4 14 1 0 2 0 0 0.00 Brian Fuentes COL 10 0 10 1 0 0 1 19 0 0 0 5 5 0.00 Matt Lindstrom FLA 11 0 11.1 5 0 0 2 11 0 0 3 0 0 0.00 Carlos Villanueva MIL 9 0 14.2 10 2 1 2 14 1 0 1 1 1 0.61 Mike Adams SDG 12 0 12.2 11 1 1 3 15 0 0 4 0 0 0.71 Rich Harden CHC 4 4 24.1 14 3 3 8 39 1 1 0 0 0 1.11 Oliver Perez NYM 5 5 32.2 23 6 5 15 36 1 1 0 0 0 1.38 Ubaldo Jimenez COL 6 6 41.1 29 8 8 15 29 5 1 0 0 0 1.74 Carlos Zambrano CHC 5 5 35.1 22 7 7 10 28 4 1 0 0 0 1.78 CC Sabathia MIL 5 5 39.2 29 10 8 10 34 4 0 0 0 0 1.82 Matt Cain SFO 6 6 43 32 11 9 14 41 2 3 0 0 0 1.88 Dan Haren ARI 5 5 37 30 9 8 5 38 3 1 0 0 0 1.95 Ryan Dempster CHC 6 6 40.2 27 9 9 17 40 3 1 0 0 0 1.99 Chris Sampson HOU 11 1 22.1 12 7 5 1 13 2 0 4 0 0 2.01 Jake Peavy SDG 5 5 34 26 8 8 9 35 3 1 0 0 0 2.12 Mike Pelfrey NYM 6 6 40 36 12 12 3 28 4 1 0 0 0 2.70 It seems a late fade may have cost some of our boys.

Vic Sage Aug 01 2008 08:46 AM

my vote: the Brew Crew, Braun and Sabathia

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 01 2008 09:08 AM

I'll go with Delgado and Ubaldo Jimenez

Vince Coleman Firecracker Aug 01 2008 09:10 AM

I'll take Ubaldo over Cain, since his month included three starts in Denver, and Hardy, a good shortstop OPSing over 1.000.

AG/DC Aug 01 2008 09:19 AM

Ubaldo and Fuentes must have been two great tastes that go great together this month. It's Ubaldo and Delgado to me. LaRoche and Tatis fall short on plate appearances. Hardy may be a good shortstop, but has he been one this month?

Vince Coleman Firecracker Aug 01 2008 09:34 AM

AG/DC wrote: Hardy may be a good shortstop, but has he been one this month? I have no idea how to look that up. Fielding splits? Can't find em. He's been good this year, though, and I'd think getting that sort of production from your shortstop is more valuable than getting it from your left fielder or first baseman.

AG/DC Aug 01 2008 09:39 AM

Zone rating puts him and Reyes near the bottom of qualifiers. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?groupId=8&season=2008&seasonType=2&split=82&sortColumn=zoneRating

Vince Coleman Firecracker Aug 01 2008 09:47 AM

[url=http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/hardyjj01.php]Prospectus[/url] gives him 11 FRAA and THT has him middle of the pack in [url=http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=fielding&linesToDisplay=50&orderBy=zone_rating&direction=DESC&qual_filter=1&season_filter%5B%5D=2008&league_filter%5B%5D=2&pos_filter%5B%5D=6&Submit=Submit]RZR[/url] and second in [url=http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=winshares&linesToDisplay=50&season_filter%5B0%5D=2008&league_filter%5B0%5D=NL&pos_filter%5B0%5D=SS&Submit=Submit&orderBy=field&direction=DESC&page=1]fielding win shares[/url].

AG/DC Aug 01 2008 07:48 PM

While we wait for an announcement on July, Delgado in August: .667 / .667 / 1.000 // 1.667

metsmarathon Aug 01 2008 10:56 PM

delgado - sabathia is my guess delgado - fuentes is my vote, just to be different from all y'all jiminez voters. 19 k in 10 ip, with a 0.00 era is pretty fancy

batmagadanleadoff Aug 02 2008 07:29 AM

I'm voting with my Mets heart -- Delgado! Sabathia for PitcherOTM. Some month for Fuentes, though. I wasn't even aware until I read marathon's post.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 13 2008 05:54 PM

Ryan Braun and C.C. Sabathia have been named as the NL Player and Pitcher of the Month for July, 2008.

AG/DC Aug 13 2008 07:59 PM

Took long enough.

Vic Sage Aug 14 2008 08:20 AM

Vic Sage wrote: my vote: the Brew Crew, Braun and Sabathia what do i win?

AG/DC Aug 28 2008 10:29 AM

Frustrated with his July loss, Delgado is now trying to sneak in the back end of August PotM considerations. NL OPS Leaders, August (min. 75 PA) (AB / BA / OBP / SLG // OPS) 1 Mark DeRosa CHC: 78 / .385 / .451 / .769 // 1.220 2 Mike Cameron MIL: 82 / .366 / .458 / .744 // 1.202 3 Albert Pujols STL: 86 / .372 / .481 / .721 // 1.202 4 Ryan Ludwick STL: 92 / .359 / .413 / .739 // 1.153 5 Ty Wigginton HOU: 88 / .364 / .376 / .727 // 1.104 6 Manny Ramirez LAD: 92 / .380 / .473 / .620 // 1.092 7 Aramis Ramirez CHC: 79 / .329 / .426 / .620 // 1.046 8 Randy Winn SFO: 100 / .410 / .445 / .580 // 1.025 9 Matt Holliday COL: 97 / .330 / .416 / .608 // 1.024 10 Brad Hawpe COL: 90 / .344 / .434 / .589 // 1.023 11 Lastings Milledge WAS: 93 / .344 / .415 / .602 // 1.017 12 Geovany Soto CHC: 64 / .328 / .436 / .578 // 1.014 13 Ronnie Belliard WA:S 77 / .403 / .439 / .558 / // .997 14 Ian Stewart COL: 84 / .310 / .426 / .571 / // .997 15 Jody Gerut SDG: 87 / .322 / .330 / .655 / // .985 16 Andre Ethier LAD: 78 / .295 / .353 / .628 / // .981 17 Hanley Ramirez FLA: 74 / .297 / .442 / .527 / // .969 18 Brian Giles SDG: 85 / .329 / .402 / .565 / // .967 19 Carlos Delgado NYM: 94 / .277 / .367 / .553 / // .920 20 Fred Lewis SFO: 80 / .350 / .407 / .513 / // .919 21 Cody Ross FLA: 75 / .293 / .354 / .560 / // .914 22 Lance Berkman HOU: 89 / .292 / .382 / .517 / // .899 23 David Wright NYM: 99 / .293 / .363 / .535 / // .898 24 Carlos Beltran NYM: 98 / .306 / .375 / .510 / // .885 25 Jayson Werth PHI: 70 / .271 / .398 / .486 / // .883