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"My shoulder's a little tight"

Frayed Knot Jul 20 2008 06:38 PM

Wagner to have [url=http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080720&content_id=3164254&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym&partnerId=rss_nym]his shoulder looked at[/url] during the off day.

SteveJRogers Jul 20 2008 06:47 PM

Not good. But that article does make it seem that its not as big as the headline makes it out to be. My money is on Sanchez being the closer if Wagner really does need to rest. And if Wagner does, hopefully Manuel doesn't pull a Randolph and not have Wagner DLed retroactively so the Mets can play shorthanded for a week or so.

AG/DC Jul 20 2008 07:30 PM

Looper came out of nowhere in the midst of his struggles and had one glorious outing where he muscled up, threw high cheese, and blew them away. And he was never the same again.

Valadius Jul 20 2008 07:33 PM

When I first saw this article pop up on Yahoo Sports, my mind read the headline as "Wagner to have head examined".

SteveJRogers Jul 20 2008 07:54 PM

AG/DC wrote: Looper came out of nowhere in the midst of his struggles and had one glorious outing where he muscled up, threw high cheese, and blew them away. And he was never the same again. I don't need that reminder Edgy! Then again, Wagner is one of the all-time greatest lefty relievers*, so he HAS to pull through! *According to a stat nerd on general baseball forum that disagreed with my notion that Wagner is not a mortal lock for the HOF.

AG/DC Jul 20 2008 08:10 PM

Wagner is both one of the all-time greatest lefty relievers, and not a mortal lock for the HOF. Hardly mutually exclusive.

SteveJRogers Jul 20 2008 08:22 PM

The last point I've come around to agree with.

AG/DC Jul 20 2008 08:38 PM

Considering there isn't a single lefty reliever in the Hall of Fame, it seems silly to think there is a distinction. It's hardly enshrining (much less, a mortal lock for the Hall) to suggest that Billy Wagner sniffs the same air as Dave Righetti, John Franco, Randy Myers, Jesse Orosco, Sparky Lyle, Ron Perranoski, and Tug McGraw. Are you arguing that he can't qualify for this class? I mean, who else is out there? Stanton? Assenmacher? Plesac?

SteveJRogers Jul 20 2008 08:43 PM

My point was actually an anti-Hoffman for the Hall point, by using Wagner's save totals.

AG/DC Jul 20 2008 08:50 PM

I thought your point was what you posted.

SteveJRogers Jul 20 2008 08:52 PM

I think I said that. My point was that Wagner was not a mortal lock, despite being the one of the greatest, okay, THE greatest as I came around to realizing lefty closer of all time.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 20 2008 08:55 PM

Let's get off the irrelevant stuff already and make plans for three Wagnerless weeks. Party at my place! Really, I'm certain Sanchez and/or Heilman could deal for a few weeks. Eddie Kunz? Sure, why not.

SteveJRogers Jul 20 2008 08:57 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Let's get off the irrelevant stuff already and make plans for three Wagnerless weeks. Party at my place! Really, I'm certain Sanchez and/or Heilman could deal for a few weeks. Eddie Kunz? Sure, why not. Ehh, I'll take the devil I know heading into a stretch with heightened importance. Give me Sanchez though over Heilman.

metirish Jul 20 2008 08:58 PM

Brian Fuentes?

SteveJRogers Jul 20 2008 09:05 PM

metirish wrote: Brian Fuentes? Ehhh, while Perez was a nice, if sporadic "steal," I'm a little wary of dealing for pen help in emergency situations. It could lead to rather rash decisions that come back to bite you in the rear.

Gwreck Jul 21 2008 10:33 AM

SteveJRogers wrote: And if Wagner does, hopefully Manuel doesn't pull a Randolph and not have Wagner DLed retroactively so the Mets can play shorthanded for a week or so. Wrong. All blame goes to Minaya for failure to DL players in a timely fashion.

Frayed Knot Jul 21 2008 10:44 AM

Yeah, but everything was Willie's fault so why not this too? Wags is apparently feeling better and won't even need an MRI so it sounds like he's good to go against the Phils

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 21 2008 11:49 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: Wags is apparently feeling better and won't even need an MRI so it sounds like he's good to go against the Phils Is he ever good to go against the Phillies?

Elster88 Jul 22 2008 08:15 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Really, I'm certain Sanchez and/or Heilman could deal for a few weeks. Eddie Kunz? Sure, why not. Ouch.

AG/DC Jul 22 2008 10:27 PM

The fuck.

TheOldMole Jul 23 2008 09:12 AM

Any update on Billy's condition?

Methead Jul 23 2008 09:20 AM

Nope, still a wuss.