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batmagadanleadoff Jul 21 2008 06:34 PM

Carlos Delgado is leading the NL in OBP for the month of July.* He's second only to Manny Ramirez (.508 to .500) (*Among players with 3.1 plate appearances for each game that their team has played this month.)

batmagadanleadoff Jul 21 2008 06:39 PM

Delgado's also leading all of baseball in Runs Created for the month of July with 20 (ESPN.com formula).

Rockin' Doc Jul 21 2008 07:18 PM

I guess it's good the Mets didn't listen to the cries of the crazed Mets fans that were screaming to dump Delgado in May. Those screaming for Delgado's head professed that the Mets couldn't possibly do worse with anyone they called up and stuck at first base in his place. I would like to see them do better. I'm surprised and pleased by Delgado's resurgence. I just hope it continues.

vtmet Jul 21 2008 08:12 PM

I've never quite gotten what the big deal is with OBP for a slugger...do we really want to see a guy that can hit a ball 500 feet and run like he's dragging a boat anchor to looking for walks? I'd rather see guys like Delgado, Beltran and Wright to punish pitchers by hitting the ball hard with men on base, than to see them looking for a walk...This weekend watching Beltran, Wright and Tatis get called 3rd strikes with men in scoring position was agonizing... I'm glad that Delgado is ripping the ball once again...but I want to see the Mets middle-men leading the league in Slugging Percentage, instead of leading the league in walks, OBP and called third strikes with runners in scoring position...

Frayed Knot Jul 21 2008 08:22 PM

OBP is important for ANY hitter because that stat simply shows the pct of time the batter is NOT making an out -- and if you're not making outs you are contributing to runs scored and if you are making outs you're not.

AG/DC Jul 21 2008 09:14 PM

It seems pretty evident that Delgado's OBP is helping the team win. Batting in front of Tatis, he's scored 15 runs, second on the team. They also are winning. A lot. He's also slugged .726. They're not unrelated.

vtmet Jul 21 2008 09:30 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: OBP is important for ANY hitter because that stat simply shows the pct of time the batter is NOT making an out -- and if you're not making outs you are contributing to runs scored and if you are making outs you're not. I get that point...and I'm not criticizing Delgado for drawing walks, but I'm also not criticizing Delgado for getting outs on hard hit balls into the "Triangle" infield defense that they employ on guys like Delgado and Adam Dunn... I just prefer to see someone with his power to be looking at total bases and RBI than to be looking at padding their OBP or batting average when they should be looking to get the runners home... My gripe is really aimed at Carlos Beltran...who misses countless RBI opportunities trying to work out walks or bunting when he should be trying to hit the ball with authority to pick up the "ducks on the pond"...and then ultimately getting called 3rd strikes that I don't see why he took... I am very happy with what I've seen from Delgado since Manuel has been the manager...

AG/DC Jul 21 2008 09:40 PM

It's not padding. He's hitting, and the pitchers are giving him less to hit. It's winning. Carlos Beltran has zero sacrifices this season with runners in scoring position.

Elster88 Jul 21 2008 09:57 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 21 2008 10:24 PM

vtmet wrote: My gripe is really aimed at Carlos Beltran...who misses countless RBI opportunities trying to work out walks or bunting when he should be trying to hit the ball with authority to pick up the "ducks on the pond"...and then ultimately getting called 3rd strikes that I don't see why he took... In 2006 Carlos Beltran had 116 RBI. That number is tied for 5th most in Mets history. In 2007 he had 112 RBI, 9th most in Met history. Both times he led the team that year (tied with Wright in 2006). This year he has 68 RBI, second behind Wright and on pace for 111 (which would be the 11th most in Met history). He currently has 374 RBI as a Met, which is 13th most in Met history, despite this being his 4th season with the Mets. Joe Beningo will be back from vacation next week. He will be happy to hate on Beltran with anyone. On the other hand, literates have a clue what they are talking about.

Elster88 Jul 21 2008 09:58 PM

In 2006 Carlos Beltran scored 127 runs, which is the MOST IN MET HISTORY. That year he had 95 of the walks that some illiterates loathe (5th most in Met history, Straw and Keef are tied for 2nd with 97). That's the same season he had the 5th most RBI in Met history. I can't imagine how he could've driven all those runs in when he was busy walking so much and letting everyone else do the dirty work. Someone please make sense of this for me. Home runs count double in the below numbers, but they still speak for themselves. Well hopefully they do. From 2006 through 2008: Beltran: 281 Runs, 296 RBI Wright: 274 Runs, 299 RBI Reyes: 312 Runs, 181 RBI If you include Beltran's below average 2005 year (the year he played with a broken face after butting heads with Mike Cameron --- what a pussy, the guy obviously has no heart and desire to win, all he wants is to pad his stats): Wright: 373 Runs, 401 RBI Beltran: 363 Runs, 374 RBI Reyes: 411 Runs, 239 RBI

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 22 2008 04:43 AM

vtmet wrote: I just prefer to see someone with his power to be looking at total bases and RBI than to be looking at padding their OBP or batting average when they should be looking to get the runners home... Yikes! How in the world is someone supposed to drive in runs while avoiding "padding their OBP or batting average"? Also, "padding their OBP" is synonymous for "being good at baseball."

Rockin' Doc Jul 22 2008 10:43 AM

I don't think that Delgado, Beltran, and Wright are looking for walks. I think they are taking the walks when people pitch them carefully. I prefer they take walks and help keep innings alive than chase fastballs and and breaking balls out of the strike zone in a vain attempt to drive in runs. Hitting the pitch you want (as often as possible) rather than hitting the pitch the pitcher wants you to chase is one of the principles of hitting.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 22 2008 10:48 AM

Batmag either has to make another post, or we have to shrink that Jay Payton image! Anyway, I think in this day and age, more than ever, it's smart for batters to take as many pitches as they reasonably can. (While not passing on the pitch they can drive, of course.) Since managers everywhere are wedded to pitch counts, it pays to drive up the count as much as possible. You get the starter out of the game sooner and use up your opponent's bullpen that much quicker.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 22 2008 11:46 AM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Batmag either has to make another post, or we have to shrink that Jay Payton image! Done. On programming though, here's an idea: why can't this forum be designed so that, for example, this post of mine right here will always be #668. My very first post (and everybody else's) will be permanently designated as a #1 post. Only my next post will be designated as #669, etc? Good idea? Bad idea?

Benjamin Grimm Jul 22 2008 11:47 AM

Good idea, but not possible. (We had that feature at ezBoard, but the software this forum uses doesn't allow for that.)

batmagadanleadoff Jul 24 2008 09:57 AM

Carlos Delgado is still leading the NL in OBP for the month of July.* He's still second in the Majors, behind Manny Ramirez. Delgado's second in the NL in OPS in the month of July,* second only to Laroche. (*Among players with 3.1 plate appearances for each game that their team has played this month.)

batmagadanleadoff Jul 26 2008 04:51 PM

="batmagadanleadoff"]Carlos Delgado is still leading the NL in OBP for the month of July.* He's still second in the Majors, behind Manny Ramirez. Delgado's second in the NL in OPS in the month of July,* second only to Laroche. (*Among players with 3.1 plate appearances for each game that their team has played this month.) Delgado's still second in OPS (NL), but closing in on Laroche- 1.295 to 1.293 (2/1000ths of a point, or for you reductionists out there- 1/500th of a point. Delgado's tied with Matt Holliday for the July league lead in OBP (.484).

OlerudOwned Jul 26 2008 06:17 PM

Carlos Delgado is leading the NL in Crow Served.