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Jerome Holtzman dies (split from dead thread)
Valadius Jul 21 2008 07:28 PM |
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Jerome Holtzman, 82, creator of the save:
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MFS62 Jul 22 2008 05:57 AM |
I remember reading his stuff in The Sporting News.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 22 2008 07:05 AM |
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I wonder if Holtzman had any regrets about inventing the save. (I regret that he did!) It's not his fault, of course. He was just looking for a way to measure what was happening on the field. I'm sure he never imagined that the tail would end up wagging the dog.
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AG/DC Jul 22 2008 07:14 AM |
The save, for all its faults, is certainly no more deceptive than the win or the loss. The problem is not its invention, but the lack of will to accept continual sensible refinement of analysis.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 22 2008 07:20 AM |
My problem with the save is that it's influenced how managers make in-game decisions. The only other rule that I can think of that's had that effect, but to a much lesser degree, is the 5-inning minimum for a starter to be eligible for a win.
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AG/DC Jul 22 2008 07:32 AM |
No doubt.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 22 2008 07:41 AM |
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All very true.
Obviously you're referring to Bill Buckner in 1986, but when I first read that I thought you meant Pedro Martinez in 2003.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 22 2008 07:51 AM |
"No Cheering in the Press Box" (oral history of baseball writers) is a classikc. Remember Holtzman for that.
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G-Fafif Jul 22 2008 12:23 PM |
ESPN is giving Francisco Rodriguez the "chasing history" treatment every time he records a save in pursuit of Bobby Thigpen's record of 57. A record's a record and 57 saves is an impressive total, but have you ever heard or thought, "Generations believed Thigpen's mark was unassailable! Will anybody break Thigpen's mark? Move over Bobby Thigpen!"
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seawolf17 Jul 22 2008 12:40 PM |
I can't wait until they break live into Baseball Tonight in September for the record-setting feat. I hope they have Thigpen on hand to participate in this epic moment in baseball history.
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Benjamin Grimm Jul 22 2008 12:42 PM |
It may have been Thigpen. I blame Eckersley though.
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