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Old Man Yells at Cloud (sploit from 7/24 KTE)

SteveJRogers Jul 24 2008 06:18 PM

="bmfc1"] As we left, I looked around at the maze of ramps, listened to the excited fans ("We're number 1!" "Yankees suck!" "Phillies suck!"), I hugged the boys and said "thanks" to Shea, one last time. This is a bit troublesome to me, that Met fans are still feeding into the notion that Yankee fans have in terms of our "inferiority complex" when it comes to the other team in town. Can Met fans please refrain from acting like Red Sox fans (or Bostonians in general, who celebrated the Patriots's Super Bowl victories with hearty "Yankees Suck" chants) by chanting "Yankees Suck" whenever the Yankees AREN'T playing at Shea? Do Met fans chant "Dodgers Suck" or "Braves Suck" or Phillies Suck" when those teams are not at Shea? No, they don't. Call me Jeets all you want, it is just plain lame.

Fman99 Jul 24 2008 06:22 PM

="SteveJRogers"] ="bmfc1"] As we left, I looked around at the maze of ramps, listened to the excited fans ("We're number 1!" "Yankees suck!" "Phillies suck!"), I hugged the boys and said "thanks" to Shea, one last time. This is a bit troublesome to me, that Met fans are still feeding into the notion that Yankee fans have in terms of our "inferiority complex" when it comes to the other team in town. Can Met fans please refrain from acting like Red Sox fans (or Bostonians in general, who celebrated the Patriots's Super Bowl victories with hearty "Yankees Suck" chants) by chanting "Yankees Suck" whenever the Yankees AREN'T playing at Shea? Do Met fans chant "Dodgers Suck" or "Braves Suck" or Phillies Suck" when those teams are not at Shea? No, they don't. Call me Jeets all you want, it is just plain lame. Uh, Jeets, it's not the people on this board who are doing that. It's the thugs and dopes.

G-Fafif Jul 24 2008 06:25 PM

I'm impressed that the Phillies made it into the sucked category at last. I'm all for chanting down the opponent, especially when their minions invade and lose. Yankees suck whether they're around or not. Chanting it is like acknowledging air is what we breathe.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 24 2008 07:00 PM

="SteveJRogers"] ="bmfc1"] As we left, I looked around at the maze of ramps, listened to the excited fans ("We're number 1!" "Yankees suck!" "Phillies suck!"), I hugged the boys and said "thanks" to Shea, one last time. This is a bit troublesome to me, that Met fans are still feeding into the notion that Yankee fans have in terms of our "inferiority complex" when it comes to the other team in town. Can Met fans please refrain from acting like Red Sox fans (or Bostonians in general, who celebrated the Patriots's Super Bowl victories with hearty "Yankees Suck" chants) by chanting "Yankees Suck" whenever the Yankees AREN'T playing at Shea? Do Met fans chant "Dodgers Suck" or "Braves Suck" or Phillies Suck" when those teams are not at Shea? No, they don't. Steve, I tell ya, you just set it up on a tee for these guys to wail on you. bmfc, that sounds like a wonderful, wonderful day! I'm glad you can leave Shea on good terms! Call me Jeets all you want, it is just plain lame.

bmfc1 Jul 24 2008 07:37 PM

G-Fafif wrote: I'm impressed that the Phillies made it into the sucked category at last. I'm all for chanting down the opponent, especially when their minions invade and lose. Yankees suck whether they're around or not. Chanting it is like acknowledging air is what we breathe. To be specific, since this Forum demands accuracy: the "Yankees Suck!" chant was general, and did not specific what, if anything, the Yankees were sucking or whether they had achieved a level of suckiness. When I wrote that "Phillies Suck" was chanted, it was incomplete, because I didn't want to be vulgar, but for the sake of accuracy, it was clear that the chanters had knowledge, somehow, that the Phillies sucked something.

Kong76 Jul 24 2008 07:40 PM

Nice post, bmfc. SJR: Can Met fans please refrain from acting like Red Sox fans<<< Spoken like a true Yankee fan. You really do tee it up, and deserve the crap you get on other boards that have less patient visitors.

Valadius Jul 24 2008 07:45 PM

But Steve, the Yankees deserve our ridicule. That's the part I think you're missing. They think they're freaking royalty, but they're not.

bmfc1 Jul 24 2008 07:50 PM

As Vlad said, MFY fans think that they are royalty--there was a teenage girl at the game today, in my section, with a Joba Chamberlin shirt. I, and I think all of us, would not think of wearing a Mets shirt to YS unless the Mets were playing. I went to a Nationals game earlier this year that didn't involve the Mets and I wore my son's HS team's hat, not a Mets hat. I don't understand the mentality that would lead someone to go to Shea, perhaps sit in really good seats, and say "I'm going to a Mets game so I will wear a Yankees shirt." MFY fans have that attitude, that arrogance, and that, in part, is why they suck and their team does too.

Kong76 Jul 24 2008 08:07 PM

A teenage girl in a Joba shirt has only known Yankee teams that have made the playoffs for like the last how many years now? I'm not against wearing the team you like's crap to games, any games, that's what she grew up watching and was weened on it. I also think there's a large difference between arrogance and being brainwashed.

holychicken Jul 24 2008 08:37 PM

bmfc1 wrote: As Vlad said, MFY fans think that they are royalty--there was a teenage girl at the game today, in my section, with a Joba Chamberlin shirt. I, and I think all of us, would not think of wearing a Mets shirt to YS unless the Mets were playing. I went to a Nationals game earlier this year that didn't involve the Mets and I wore my son's HS team's hat, not a Mets hat. I don't understand the mentality that would lead someone to go to Shea, perhaps sit in really good seats, and say "I'm going to a Mets game so I will wear a Yankees shirt." MFY fans have that attitude, that arrogance, and that, in part, is why they suck and their team does too. I wore a Mets tshirt when I went to Yankee stadium opening day this year. Granted, I wore it under everything just to protect me from any harmful Yankee rays and so that I could resist Jeter's charm. The only thing that gave me away as a Mets fan was my grunting in reaction to the scoreboard telling me that Pedro had crapped it up.

SteveJRogers Jul 24 2008 08:58 PM

bmfc1 wrote: As Vlad said, MFY fans think that they are royalty--there was a teenage girl at the game today, in my section, with a Joba Chamberlin shirt. I, and I think all of us, would not think of wearing a Mets shirt to YS unless the Mets were playing. I went to a Nationals game earlier this year that didn't involve the Mets and I wore my son's HS team's hat, not a Mets hat. I don't understand the mentality that would lead someone to go to Shea, perhaps sit in really good seats, and say "I'm going to a Mets game so I will wear a Yankees shirt." MFY fans have that attitude, that arrogance, and that, in part, is why they suck and their team does too. Eh, I do see a fair share of other teams fans wearing their team's gear at Shea over the years. Red Sox, Cubs, Phillies, LA Dodgers, SF Giants, even Brewers every now and then. To say nothing of peeps in NY Giants and Brooklyn Dodger gear on. I don't begrudge their right to be there to enjoy some baseball, even if they make it clear that they don't root for either team that is playing that day.

G-Fafif Jul 24 2008 10:16 PM

There's wearin' third-party gear and there's wearin' third-party gear. Wednesday night saw some Twins fans straggle in to Shea, presumably as part of a two-stadium visit to New York. That's cool. (It would be cooler if the Twins would win a game at MFY II once in a while.) Some stray Diamondbacks fan wants to identify himself as such in the middle of a Mets-Phillies game, that's cool, too. I've worn my Mets cap on neutral turf plenty. I'm not dissin', I'm just representin'. I doubt anybody in the crowd at, say, the Indians-Angels game I attended in Cleveland eight summers ago took offense. But the MFY thing at Shea for a non-Subway Series game (or concert) is so incredibly not cool. To the extent that I'd ever claim to be the arbiter of cool, that I can say with clarity. Also worth noting (for probably the thousandth time), it's usually the sight of an MFY fan all up in everybody's faces that sets off the SUCK! chants. I'd add bmfc1 handled the non-Mets game at Nats Park with much respect. Mets fans get on Nats fans' nerves by our strength in numbers when we play them, why remind them during a non-Mets game? Peace out.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 25 2008 07:31 AM

="Fman99"]Uh, Jeets, it's not the people on this board who are doing that. It's the thugs and dopes. Are the two mutually exclusive? =) I have, on many occasions, both participated in and started "Yankees suck" chants while walking down the ramps at both Subway Series games and Non-Yankee related games. Does that say something about me having an inferiority complex? Perhaps, but I offer the following in my defense: 1. The Yankees do suck, so there's nothing inaccurate about the chant. 2. The Yankees always suck, so the chant is always appropriate. 3. It's a long walk down those ramps, and there's no better way to pass time than rhythmically shouting mild obscenities involving hated rivals. 4. Whenever I start the chant, I've done it only after seeing someone wearing Yankee gear. 5. Whenever I join in on the chant, I've done it assuming someone else saw Yankee gear in Our stadium; but even if they hadn't, see my first 3 points. 6. I tend to think of myself as more of a boor or lout than thug or dope.

sharpie Jul 25 2008 07:43 AM

Unless the Mets are playing the Yankees I really hate the "Yankees Suck" chant. Do Yankee fans chant "Mets suck" when they're playing the Red Sox? Just shows an inferiority complex that I hate.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 25 2008 08:03 AM

I'm with sharpie. But... Last time I was at Shea, though, we were among a large crowd waiting to be allowed down to the LIRR platform, and a dopey Yankee fan starting chanting about the Yankees. Almost everyone there took the bait and started chanting "Yankees suck!" I was saying, fruitlessly, "Ignore him. You're just giving him what he wants." And the dopey Yankee fan was smiling and glorying in the attention. So I'm not sure if these chants stem from an inferiority complex, which is certainly what it seems like, if if they're triggered by some glory-seeking Yankee fan fool like the one I saw. Either way, it's best not to chant. Let's get to a point where the Yankees merit our silent scorn, but nothing more.

Fman99 Jul 25 2008 08:04 AM

I would NEVER chant that at a game unless it was MFY's vs. Mets. Why dignify those bastards with any of my time or attention otherwise?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 25 2008 08:13 AM

It's not like the dumbass Yankee fans are the only ones looking to call attention to themselves; starting and joining a chant is merely a way of wrestling attention back. At the risk of painting with a broad brush and looking like an old man yelling at a cloud, attention is the cocaine for all Gen Y Mook Retards, and there's an awful lot of them, evidenced not only by idiotic behavior at games like this but by the whole "Look at me!" culture (tattoos, myspace, reality TV etc etc)

AG/DC Jul 25 2008 08:42 AM

Attention is a finite commodity that's in short supply in our flattening world. And now that technology allows us to point as many cameras at ourselves as Nicole Kidman has pionted at her, we can all compete for it

seawolf17 Jul 25 2008 08:53 AM

Who is this "Yankees" that everyone's talking about? Is he a relief pitcher for the Phillies? ... Oh, you mean that third-place team across town. You know, they haven't even crossed my mind. I don't care who chants what, or where they chant it. You see a guy in a Yankees jersey, tell him they suck, them more power to you. I can't worry about it.

Rockin' Doc Jul 25 2008 08:57 AM

Ben Grimm - "...Let's get to a point where the Yankees merit our silent scorn, but nothing more." I actually long for the day when the Yankees are such a pathetic mess and so totally inept that they would merit only sympathy for their perennial losing ways.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 25 2008 09:11 AM

I understand the "don't give them attention" argument, but I say that's just part of the fun. That's the pageantry of being a fan: the baloney morality that we project on sports; booing the villains and cheering the heroes. It's what I love most about fandom. It's why I feel so crappy when my teams lose and happy when they win. If some Mother Fucking Yankee fan is fishing for attention at Shea Stadium, I'll happily oblige him or her, loudly and crassly and I'll have fun the whole time. I've always worn Mets gear at Yankee Stadium, and I know that getting booed and heckled is part of the fun. When I'm in the bleacher seat wearing a Reyes jersey, I know I'm gonna get the "Y R U Gay?" treatment (as clever and hee-LA-rious as that is), but I go anyway because there's nothing more satisfying than participating in and listening to the "Ho-ZAY hozayhozayhozay" chant in person in the Reichstag, I mean, "Cathedral". Maybe I do have an inferiority complex, but every time I see a guy walking around Shea with a Chamberlain jersey on, I'm gonna let him know that I think JOH-BAHHZ a LOOOO-ZAAAHH!

Benjamin Grimm Jul 25 2008 09:25 AM

Me, I tend to cringe when people over the age of 12 act that way.

Valadius Jul 25 2008 12:34 PM

="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]At the risk of painting with a broad brush and looking like an old man yelling at a cloud, attention is the cocaine for all Gen Y Mook Retards, and there's an awful lot of them, evidenced not only by idiotic behavior at games like this but by the whole "Look at me!" culture (tattoos, myspace, reality TV etc etc) Although I agree that far too many members of my generation are like that, that's certainly not the case for me, my girlfriend, and most of the people I associate with. And we laugh at them when they get caught after they post really incriminating photos of themselves on Facebook.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 25 2008 12:38 PM

Well that's all very encouraging. Now if you'll excuse me there are some kids...on my lawn!

holychicken Jul 25 2008 12:47 PM

At this rate, we will have to change the name of this forum to old man yells at cloud.

G-Fafif Jul 25 2008 01:44 PM

="holychicken"]At this rate, we will have to change the name of this forum to old man yells at cloud. I imagine Ed Kranepool's done a little of that. Saw him interviewed on Daily News Live the other day to help promote the Greatest Moments at Shea balloting and he brought up the Pratt home run in what is considered by some one of the greatest games ever played, against Houston, it went, what, 16 innings. Yup, that's what he said.

AG/DC Jul 25 2008 01:56 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 25 2008 02:06 PM

It's a number thing. Ed projects other number sevens into all games. It's not anachrnonistic, it's mystical.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 25 2008 02:00 PM

="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]attention is the cocaine for all Gen Y Mook Retards, and there's an awful lot of them, evidenced not only by idiotic behavior at games like this but by the whole "Look at me!" culture (tattoos, myspace, reality TV etc etc) Ouch- I do the Yankees suck chant, I have tattoos and a myspace page. I suddenly feel like a Retard Mook. I haven't been on reality TV, though- am I OK or am I doomed to Mookdom? =) Ooh, also- is this guy a Mook?

Fman99 Jul 25 2008 02:03 PM

="Vince Coleman Firecracker"] ="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]attention is the cocaine for all Gen Y Mook Retards, and there's an awful lot of them, evidenced not only by idiotic behavior at games like this but by the whole "Look at me!" culture (tattoos, myspace, reality TV etc etc) Ouch- I do the Yankees suck chant, I have tattoos and a myspace page. I suddenly feel like a Retard Mook. I haven't been on reality TV, though- am I OK or am I doomed to Mookdom? =) Ooh, also- is this guy a Mook? He's THE Mook. (Except at my house, where THE Mook is our cat whom also happens to be named Mookie in tribute to #1.)

metsguyinmichigan Jul 25 2008 02:27 PM

"Call me Jeets all you want, it is just plain lame." --- Steve, I know you're senstitive to jokes about being a hidden MFY fan, but sometimes you really just put it right there on a T for them to swing away at. The "Yankees Suck" chant is a form of group bonding.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 25 2008 04:30 PM

Vince Coleman Firecracker wrote: Ouch- I do the Yankees suck chant, I have tattoos and a myspace page. I suddenly feel like a Retard Mook. I haven't been on reality TV, though- am I OK or am I doomed to Mookdom? No way, man. You're a war hero! As I said, didn't mean to come off like a broad-brusher or cloud-yeller. I could care less about what Myspace is except to look up met wives, and nobody here is as gay for Reality TV as me. I suppose I could use an explanation for the whole tattoo revolution that appeared to occur while I wasn't looking this winter. Guy who lives around the corner and takes his dog to shit on our street has tats on his face. I don't get it.