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The Trade Deadline...

Benjamin Grimm Jul 25 2008 03:48 PM

...is just six days away. My guess is that the Mets won't make a significant deal. But if they do, they'll pay dearly for either Bay or Nady.

seawolf17 Jul 25 2008 06:27 PM

Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte to the Yanks for Ross Ohlendorf, Jose Tabata, and two other guys.

themetfairy Jul 25 2008 06:38 PM

seawolf17 wrote: Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte to the Yanks for Ross Ohlendorf, Jose Tabata, and two other guys. Tabata leaves the Trenton Thunder less than 4 weeks before [url=http://www.trentonthunder.com/schedule/zPromotions.asp?pYYYYMMDD=20080820]Jose Tabata Bobblehead Night.[/url]

seawolf17 Jul 25 2008 06:41 PM

Hope they haven't ordered them yet. Maybe they can trade them to the Altoona Curve for a bobblehead to be named later.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 25 2008 06:48 PM

Jeez I thought that trade was a joke. It's not Nady to the MFYs. Geez.

seawolf17 Jul 25 2008 06:54 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Jeez I thought that trade was a joke. It's not Nady to the MFYs. Geez. No, it is. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3505686

metsguyinmichigan Jul 25 2008 07:02 PM

I can imagine the conversation... X, I have good news and bad news. Good news is you are headed to New York. Bad new is that you are a Yankee.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 25 2008 08:23 PM

seawolf17 wrote: ="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]Jeez I thought that trade was a joke. It's not Nady to the MFYs. Geez. No, it is. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3505686 Yeah, it is. Bad punctuation on my part. Mothereffer. I was scared of the Mets getting Nady because he seemed like a guy who wouldn't live up to massive expectations. Like, he'd become some kinda mythical force that made the early 06 Mets so magic. Now... welll. Fuck. MFYs won 1-0 over the Sox tonite too.

Fman99 Jul 25 2008 08:26 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I can imagine the conversation... X, I have good news and bad news. Good news is you are headed to New York. Bad new is that you are a Yankee. I caught part of an interview he was doing on XM just this afternoon. They were talking about the possibility of a trade and he was pretty realistic about it, knowing he was likely to be dealt.

AG/DC Jul 25 2008 08:29 PM

I always live in the hope the Yankees management overmythologizes --- and overpays and overplays --- ex-Mets also.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 25 2008 08:36 PM

Yeah, brightside analysis: He's playing way over his head, and sticking him in left field in MFY stadium (with Abreu in right) is begging for blooper reels. You hope the Pirate scouts see the good in these pups the MFYs can't. Tabata, I know, was very well regarded just recently.

metsmarathon Jul 25 2008 09:13 PM

too bad. i used to like nady.

Rockin' Doc Jul 25 2008 09:15 PM

Nady deserved better.

Elster88 Jul 25 2008 09:48 PM

I would've loved to have Nady back. Even if he's not really a .325 hitter, he's a nice player. Definitely an upgrade over the Chavez/Anderson/Evans/Tatis combo.

Frayed Knot Jul 26 2008 05:46 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: [Nady is] playing way over his head, and sticking him in left field in MFY stadium (with Abreu in right) is begging for blooper reels. Yeah, if we want to stick with the bright-side anlysis we can note how some fans have a short memory of how shaky an OFer X-man was, or that this season's OPS (918) looks flukeish next to previous years of .761 (2006) & .806 (2007). But he's only 29 (30 in Nov) and maybe THIS becomes his norm for a while and it's not like he's suddenly going to turn the MFY OF defense into something is already isn't. ]You hope the Pirate scouts see the good in these pups the MFYs can't. Tabata, I know, was very well regarded just recently. 'Was' being the operative word here. Tabata was often paired with Fartinez by the scouts 'n touts crowd: same age, large bonus signee, similar skills. The Yanx didn't run him up the ladder as quickly as the Mets did with FM but he was still doing OK swimming in a pool with older kids. But his star has taken a big hit in the last year as he seemed to stall out and display a total lack of power. Now he also had a wrist injury which maybe had something to do with it and he's still young enough to turn things around, but he also had some discipline problems and wasn't near the top of the MFY system anymore. Ohlendorf has some potential I guess but turns 26 next week and is pretty much a reliever. Meanwhile I've never heard of either pitcher. The LHP (Coke) has some decent AA numbers but he's[i/] already 26. At least the RHP (Kontos) is only 22. Def helps the MFYs in the short-term and probably doesn't burn them long-term. Doesn't sound to me like the "steep asking price" we've heard teams have been asking for these OFers.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 26 2008 07:19 AM

Ugh. This didn't cost the Yanks anywhere near what I thought it would. A couple of guys closer to 30 than high school who are still labelled "prospects" and Tabata, who I've read the organiztion was really down on, and I never thought would play in the majors for them. I'm guessing the Pirates are still as high on Tabata as everyone else was at the beginning of this season, when he was thought of as roughly the equivalent of Fernando Martinez. Which means the Pirates probably asked Omar for F-Mart plus multiple pitchers (Owen? Gee? Heilman?). If that's the case, good move not to make. I just wish someone would put a real hurting on the Yanks in one of these trades.

TheOldMole Jul 26 2008 07:30 AM

With me it's simple. I just hate the MFYs getting Nady.

Fman99 Jul 26 2008 08:27 AM

It's the same load of garbage that the Phillies took for Abreu two years ago. Some of these GM's are just dopes, I must conclude.

metirish Jul 26 2008 08:55 AM

Weren't the Twins asking for Ohlendorf and Tabata as part of a deal for Santana and the the Yankees wouldn't part with them , that was a deal breaker IIRC.

Gwreck Jul 26 2008 09:08 AM

Yes. One of the talking heads on SNY was saying that the Yankees could have had Santana last year for Ohlendorf, Tabata and Ian Kennedy.

soupcan Jul 26 2008 09:21 AM

Reported on FAN this morning - Dan Karstens and Jeff McCutchens replace the other two no-name minor leaguers and join Tabata in Pittsburgh. Don't know how highly regarded those guys are but hopefully that hurts the Yankees more.

MFS62 Jul 26 2008 10:45 AM

="soupcan"]Reported on FAN this morning - Dan Karstens and Jeff McCutchens replace the other two no-name minor leaguers and join Tabata in Pittsburgh. Don't know how highly regarded those guys are but hopefully that hurts the Yankees more. Is that the same player as Jeff Karstens, who has pitched in several games for the Yanks over the past few years? EDIT: additional thought. The original trade looked so imbalanced that the Yanks felt the Pirate GM already had enough coke. Later

Frayed Knot Jul 26 2008 11:36 AM

Fman99 wrote: It's the same load of garbage that the Phillies took for Abreu two years ago. Some of these GM's are just dopes, I must conclude. It's not that bad. The Phils accepted virtually nothing for Abreu when the Yanx agreed to take on the remaining salary. Nady is relatively cheap and didn't NEED to be moved. Plus with that update in the pitchers dealt it doesn't look as lopsided. Pitt didn't get anything SURE to help them, but at least they got several pieces that might.

AG/DC Jul 26 2008 12:46 PM

If the Yankees want to regulary take well performing players from our National League competitors in exchange for future interests that doesn't mature, pay these players for the superior performances they logged years earlier, and still fail to win pennants, I'm good with that.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 26 2008 01:58 PM

David Lennon in Newsday wrote: The Mets' strategy of waiting until the final minutes of next Thursday's 4 p.m. trade deadline to secure an outfielder seemed like a good plan 24 hours ago. Now? Not so much. The Pirates shipped Xavier Nady -- and lefty reliever Damaso Marte! -- to the Yankees late Friday for a total of four prospects. And in the past few hours, the Indians and Dodgers agreed on a deal that sent Casey Blake to LA for two minor-leaguers. Believe it or not, the Mets weren't too high on either Nady or Marte, or so they were saying after Friday's impressive 7-2 win over the Cardinals. As for Blake, it appears that Cleveland got a pair of decent prospects in return, and probably better than what the Mets had on the table. raul.jpg Could the Mariners' Raul Ibanez be next? He seems like the guy the Mets have been targeting all along, as we mention in this morning's Newsday, so don't be surprised if they swing a deal for him in the very near future. At this rate, the Mets really can't afford to be patient much longer.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 31 2008 04:15 AM

Looks like the [url=http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8395270/Cubs-looking-at-lefty-hitters,-could-add-Ibanez?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498]Cubs[/url] are bidding against the Mets for Ibanez. I say let him go and check out Adam Dunn.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2008 06:28 AM

The Pads are trying to deal Greg Maddux but he won't leave the west coast (he already blocked a potential Philly deal) and the Dodgers & Pads can't seem to agree on a package so he's probably staying.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2008 06:58 AM

Seven hours till deadline. I'm not expecting a move from the Mets.

AG/DC Jul 31 2008 06:59 AM

Expect the Mets.

soupcan Jul 31 2008 07:07 AM

Jon Heyman on FAN says Griffey, Jr. to the White Sox is a done deal.

metirish Jul 31 2008 07:11 AM

I expect a deal for the Mets , read today Church will not be going to PSL to play rehab games but will instead travel with the team to Houston to be monitored by Ray Rameriz. Ryan took outfield practice yesterday but is day to day.

seawolf17 Jul 31 2008 07:11 AM

soupcan wrote: Jon Heyman on FAN says Griffey, Jr. to the White Sox is a done deal. Another guy I would have liked. Wonder what the Reds will get back.

HahnSolo Jul 31 2008 07:18 AM

soupcan wrote: Jon Heyman on FAN says Griffey, Jr. to the White Sox is a done deal. At around 8:20 in the car, I heard Heyman say to Boomer and Carton "No one is interested in Griffey." This guy's performance as an "FAN Baseball Insider" has been shaky at best.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2008 08:46 AM

The Mets could use a better bench, more bullpen help, another hitter in the outfield, and rotation depth. Are we all in agreement on that?

AG/DC Jul 31 2008 08:51 AM

They can certainly use lefthanded and righthanded players. I'd like to see them improve themselves for the future, as well as the present. If possible, I'd also like to see them improve their past.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 31 2008 08:51 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The Mets could use a better bench, more bullpen help, another hitter in the outfield, and rotation depth. Are we all in agreement on that? Yikes, that seems like a lot. I'd say that getting another outfielder would also help the bench (and let's not forget [url=http://www.nyfuturestars.com/profile_pics/val_pascucci.jpg]this guy[/url] just because Delgado is raking), and that there isn't a team in the majors that couldn't use rotation and bullpen depth. If I'm gonna make one move today, it's for an outfielder.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2008 08:51 AM

Yes. Adding a hitting outfielder would improve their bench depth. (Actually, so would the return of Ryan Church. And even the return of Luis Castillo.) I would like to get a starting pitcher, but I don't think that's on the Mets' shopping list.

metirish Jul 31 2008 08:54 AM

I agree , Heyman claims the Mets are looking to get Ian Snell and using him out of the bullpen. Where does Griffey fit in the Sox OF , that's if he approves the deal.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2008 08:54 AM

I dunno. I got the willies (pun intended) watching this team come up so short offensively vs. Florida. I mean, we can't hit with them. And the pen is all kablooey imo. And our worst pitcher is going tonight and he's on a strict pitch count.

Nymr83 Jul 31 2008 08:56 AM

if the Mets were to trade for Snell i can't imagine it not costing Niese, and i don't like Snell that much, he has control issues, and to use a guy like that in relief is asking for trouble. besides, arent there enough actual relievers available to not trade for and convert a wild starter in the middle of the year?

AG/DC Jul 31 2008 09:00 AM

Speculation here, but Omar getting Ambiorix Burgos in a manner with some similarities to the Duaner Sanchez trade could be taken as a proneness to attempt to repeat his successes. And interest in Snell may be an interest in repeating the success of the Oliver Perez acquisition.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 31 2008 09:09 AM

Marlins are [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3512530&name=mlb_trade_deadline]looking for a catcher[/url]. Might they be interested in Brian Schneider? Maybe for, like, Matt Lindstrom?

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2008 09:10 AM

Nymr83 wrote: if the Mets were to trade for Snell i can't imagine it not costing Niese. I don't really have a sense for how true that statement might be. I wouldn't want to trade Niese for Snell; I'd rather promote Niese and see what he can contribute.

metirish Jul 31 2008 09:11 AM

What Heyman wrote in full. One bullpen option the Mets have kicked around is to try to pry disappointing starter Ian Snell from Pittsburgh with the idea of employing him as a reliever for the remainder of the year. Snell could then be used in the rotation next year when the Mets may need starters. Pedro Martinez likely won't be back and Oliver Perez could leave as a free agent. The Mets are continuing to make left-hander Jon Niese unavailable because they'd like to see him make the rotation next year.

metirish Jul 31 2008 09:12 AM

More. 10:58 a.m. Competing GMs say the Mets' Omar Minaya is "itching'' to do a deal. And it's no wonder with the Yankees stealing the show across town and the competing Marlins close to possibly adding superstar Manny Ramirez. However, a lot of Mets people want to hold onto their top prospects, including outfielder Fernando Martinez, and pitchers Jon Niese, Eddie Kunz and Robert Parnell. Seattle requested "two premium prospects'' for outfielder Raul Ibanez, and Mets people don't like that idea. Minaya is spending more time on the relief situation, which is looking iffy lately, especially with Duaner Sanchez's radar gun readings down.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2008 09:13 AM

Yes, yes. Omar loves the Big Splash. We hear this shit every year.

TransMonk Jul 31 2008 09:18 AM

Arthur Rhodes to the Marlins for ex-Met prospect Gaby Hernandez. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3512597

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2008 09:21 AM

="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]Yes, yes. Omar loves the Big Splash. We hear this shit every year. And don't forget that he's obsessed with getting {insert Latin name here]

smg58 Jul 31 2008 09:42 AM

Niese is the kind of prospect you don't trade for a guy whose ERA is currently over 6. Snell intrigues me, but only if we're buying low. As for Niese being ready to pitch in the majors next year, keep in mind that that the Mets gambled on Pelfrey being ML ready last year and it turned out to be a big mistake. Two months of Ibanez ain't worth two premium prospects. I don't see a good reason to be very protective of Parnell.

smg58 Jul 31 2008 09:48 AM

News flash: Ken Griffey Jr. has reportedly tried on some white sox, and decided that he likes them. Specifics still forthcoming.

soupcan Jul 31 2008 09:51 AM

Meanwhile on WFAN, Chris Carlin (he of SNY's 'Loudmouths' and 'Beer Money' fame) is clamoring for Omar to give up the farm for Manny. Manny, he says 'guarantees a World Series', 'makes the Mets the best team in the league immediately'. Now am I wrong or weren't these radio dudes the same ones calling Omar out for having a thin system (as a result of the Santana deal) that couldn't even produce a back-up outfielder earlier this year? So, if Omar does what Carlin says - trade Fartinez and Neise to Boston for Manny - and it doesn't quite work out the way he 'guaranteed', does Carlin then say he was wrong or does he go on to bash Omar later this season into next for giving up the organization's 2 best prospects for a one-dimensional malcontent? I'd put my money on the latter.

AG/DC Jul 31 2008 09:54 AM

Ignore these clowns. Is Klapsch back on duty yet? Can he just phone in a rewrite of a prior year column demanding the Mets get Alfonso Soriano?

metirish Jul 31 2008 10:05 AM

smg58 wrote: News flash: Ken Griffey Jr. has reportedly tried on some white sox, and decided that he likes them. Specifics still forthcoming. Nick Masset and minor league infielder Danny Richar.

metsmarathon Jul 31 2008 10:17 AM

according to baseball prospectus, the reds are getting [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/richada02.shtml]24yo 2b danny richar[/url] , whose pecota predictions see him as a 260/325/430 peak hitter with limited speed, and [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/masseni01.shtml]26yo rhp nick masset[/url], whose pecota predictions have him out of baseball in a few years, with a mid-five era, 3.5 bb/9 and 5 k/9. this season, richar is playing below those pecota predictions, while masset is playing just above them. i like griffey a lot, and am left wondering a) wouldn't that've been an easy package to beat and b) is he a player we would've wanted to add?

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 31 2008 10:20 AM

Looks like Cincy's asking for [url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/07/29/heyman.tradeblog/index.html?eref=writers]top pitching prospects[/url] for Dunn. Don't see the Mets getting him without giving up Niese unless the Reds are big on Kunz or Parnell.

duan Jul 31 2008 10:44 AM

metsmarathon wrote: according to baseball prospectus, the reds are getting [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/richada02.shtml]24yo 2b danny richar[/url] , whose pecota predictions see him as a 260/325/430 peak hitter with limited speed, and [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/masseni01.shtml]26yo rhp nick masset[/url], whose pecota predictions have him out of baseball in a few years, with a mid-five era, 3.5 bb/9 and 5 k/9. this season, richar is playing below those pecota predictions, while masset is playing just above them. i like griffey a lot, and am left wondering a) wouldn't that've been an easy package to beat and b) is he a player we would've wanted to add? I think the main deal is that we wouldn't really have wanted to add him, another fragile outfielder with a circa 750 OPS isn't really what the mets need. Ok, if there was NO hope of Church coming back then he might be a worth while bit part.

Nymr83 Jul 31 2008 10:48 AM

Vince Coleman Firecracker wrote: Looks like Cincy's asking for [url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/07/29/heyman.tradeblog/index.html?eref=writers]top pitching prospects[/url] for Dunn. Don't see the Mets getting him without giving up Niese unless the Reds are big on Kunz or Parnell. for Dunn, i would part with Niese. Dunn is freaking awesome and goes unappreciated by the legion of idiots who think batting average is anywhere near as important as OBP.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2008 11:05 AM

Less than three hours until the deadline.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2008 11:23 AM

ChiSox apparently are thinking of using Griffey in CF - which sounds like a disaster waiting to happen if you ask me. Nick Swisher's been there (not great either) but they want him at 1B more often since Konerko's not hitting. Maybe the ChiSox just got him so they can gloat while he passes Sosa's HR total while playing on the south side of Chicago Also LHRP Arthur Rhodes from Seattle to Florida for one-time Met farmhand Gaby Hernandez

metsmarathon Jul 31 2008 11:27 AM

i keep forgetting that dunn is only 28... seems like he's been around for freakin' ever. also, fwiw, griffey has the 4th best zone rating in right field, among qualified players, at 0.888, just behind fukudome 0.889, and trailing jeremy hermida 0.925 and brian giles 0.919. his 0.888 bests rangey ryan church's 0.885, even. i'm having trouble marrying this to the notion being bandied about that its downright foolish of the white sox to even consider putting griffey in center. sure, an 0.888 zr in right isn't indicitive of terrific centerfielding defense, but it aint suckage either. (granted, nick swisher, who griffey will likely displace, has a 0.903 in cf) dunn's zone rating is at 0.853, which puts him ahead of current left fielder tatis' 0.821.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 31 2008 11:30 AM

Nymr83 wrote: for Dunn, i would part with Niese. Dunn is freaking awesome and goes unappreciated by the legion of idiots who think batting average is anywhere near as important as OBP. I agree that Dunn's a stud, but he's a free agent in a few weeks. If the Mets want him in the off-season, they can sign him. The Mets won't be able to sign a #3-4 type LH starter who'll make less than 2 million dollars over the next three years. I don't expect Niese to come up and be a world beater right away, but even if he's a little worse than league-average he'll be worth a ton to this team over the next few years. I don't want to give that up for a rental.

Fman99 Jul 31 2008 11:32 AM

metsmarathon wrote: according to baseball prospectus, the reds are getting [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/richada02.shtml]24yo 2b danny richar[/url] , whose pecota predictions see him as a 260/325/430 peak hitter with limited speed, and [url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/masseni01.shtml]26yo rhp nick masset[/url], whose pecota predictions have him out of baseball in a few years, with a mid-five era, 3.5 bb/9 and 5 k/9. this season, richar is playing below those pecota predictions, while masset is playing just above them. i like griffey a lot, and am left wondering a) wouldn't that've been an easy package to beat and b) is he a player we would've wanted to add? It's a moot point. Griff is still scared of NYC after Steinbrenner yelled at him when he was a toddler. "Quit playing with Thurman Munson's jock strap!" He'd surely have exercised his 10-5 veto.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2008 11:35 AM

I want us to get Brian Roberts and Melvin Mora and Aubrey Huff from the O's. And Daniel Cabrera, so he can hit Arod in the face in the next Subway Series. Is that asking too much?

Farmer Ted Jul 31 2008 11:44 AM

The Marlins getting Arthur Rhodes makes me a little nervous. They got him for a former Mets farmhand, Gaby Hernandez. Rhodes could have helped our pen.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 31 2008 11:44 AM

[url=http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/st/archives/2008/07/trade_confident_2.html]Sherman[/url]'s saying the Mets probably won't make a move. If the asking prices for some of these players is as high as reported, this may be the best news we Mets fans could have gotten today.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2008 11:54 AM

I'm predicting a Big Splash? at 3:59

AG/DC Jul 31 2008 11:57 AM

As long as Raul Ibañez is still out there with a wife named Terryvette, then the Mets are still out there too.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 31 2008 11:57 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm predicting a Big Splash? at 3:59 Then I'll make sure to stay out of the men's room around 4.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 31 2008 11:58 AM

I hope they get "Top Talent the alligator."

metirish Jul 31 2008 12:03 PM

Heyman 1:49 p.m. The Mets are talking to the Nationals about a deal for reliever Luis Ayala, SI.com has learned. Mets GM Omar Minaya badly wants a reliever and wouldn't mind making a deal. This could be it.

soupcan Jul 31 2008 12:04 PM

AG/DC wrote: As long as Raul Ibaņez is still out there with a wife named Terryvette, then the Mets are still out there too. Really? Could it be 'Terry-Yvette'? Not that that's any better or less weird but at least it's two normal names hyphenated as opposed to some random bastardization. 'Terryvette' - sounds like a car for a dog.

bmfc1 Jul 31 2008 12:05 PM

metirish wrote: Heyman 1:49 p.m. The Mets are talking to the Nationals about a deal for reliever Luis Ayala, SI.com has learned. Mets GM Omar Minaya badly wants a reliever and wouldn't mind making a deal. This could be it. http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/ayalalu01.shtml Former Expo.

TransMonk Jul 31 2008 12:07 PM

Heyman wrote: The Mets are talking to the Nationals about a deal for reliever Luis Ayala... I just threw up in my mouth a little. A 5 and a half ERA and more hits than IP? Not sure how that helps.

Farmer Ted Jul 31 2008 12:10 PM

Omar is lusting for one of his former Expos caddies.

Nymr83 Jul 31 2008 12:10 PM

look at his numbers in his previous 4 years though. if he doesnt cost much the mets could be buying low on a good reliever

TransMonk Jul 31 2008 12:13 PM

It'd have to be pretty low.

sharpie Jul 31 2008 12:14 PM

Don't need to do that one today, however. Ayala would surely pass through waivers.

AG/DC Jul 31 2008 12:23 PM

You think the Nats can throw in an outfielder? They're disastrous again this year. Nobody has had 10 homers, and chunky Ronnie Belliard leads the team with nine, in only 65 games They can progagly get Kearns for some cupcakes.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 31 2008 12:28 PM

="AG/DC"] They can progagly get Kearns for some cupcakes. 2008: .212/.309/.316 I'd rather have the cupcakes.

seawolf17 Jul 31 2008 12:32 PM

Mmm, cupcakes. How about Benny Ayala? Or Benny Lava, for that matter?

AG/DC Jul 31 2008 12:36 PM

="Vince Coleman Firecracker"] ="AG/DC"] They can progagly get Kearns for some cupcakes. 2008: .212/.309/.316 I'd rather have the cupcakes. How the fuck did I mis "B" key twice there?

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 31 2008 12:41 PM

="AG/DC"]How the fuck did I mis "B" key twice there? You have these guys on your mind?

Farmer Ted Jul 31 2008 12:54 PM

What the fuck happened to Jeff Wilpon being our Japan/Far East guy? Do we even have an Asian or a player from the Japanese leagues in the farm system? I know, I know, send it to the red light forum. But here we are, jank-ass farm system and Jeffy, supposedly, had the Japan market cornered. We have no fucking trade bait. He's probably scouting Jack Elliott or Hammer DuBois for crissakes.

AG/DC Jul 31 2008 01:00 PM

Tokyo resident Bruce Wilpon is our far east guy. Bruce, it's an easy name to forget.

Farmer Ted Jul 31 2008 01:03 PM

well, HE ain't done shit either.

seawolf17 Jul 31 2008 01:16 PM

How many effing Wilpons are there? Jeez. They're like the Osmonds.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2008 01:16 PM

Joel Sherman wrote: FROM JOEL SHERMAN With the trading deadline an hour away, the Mets continued to be frustrated in their attempts to upgrade their roster. They considered the possibility of acquiring Washington righty Luis Ayala as an outside chance. The possibility of obtaining Ayala was first reported by SI.com. Ayala is a favorite of Mets GM Omar Minaya, who acquired the reliever when Minaya was the GM of the Expos. Ayala was the among the majors' best set-up men for Minaya in 2003-2004, appearing in 146 games and ptiching to a 2.79 ERA. Minaya left for the Mets after the 2004 campaign, but Ayala remained a workhorse and finally broke down during the World Baseball Classic in 2006, and missed all of that season. He has not been the same pitcher since his return, struggling this year with 5.54 ERA in 56 games for the Nationals. His acquisition by the Mets would be as a way to try to deepen the pen, and essentially he would be filling the righty middle-innings role that Matt Wise was supposed to before he was hurt.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 31 2008 01:22 PM

[url=http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/rays_to_acquire_bay.html]Jason Bay[/url] to the Rays for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann. Good move for the Pirates, and the Rays get a lot better this year.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2008 01:31 PM

Only 30 minutes left to trade Schneider & Anderson. Can we do it? Go, Omar, go!

metsguyinmichigan Jul 31 2008 01:31 PM

="AG/DC"] ="Vince Coleman Firecracker"] ="AG/DC"] They can progagly get Kearns for some cupcakes. 2008: .212/.309/.316 I'd rather have the cupcakes. How the fuck did I mis "B" key twice there? Cupcakes = over-rated snack food. Would be easier to eat with a fork, but no one does. And get a decent bite of both icing and cake you need a really big mouth. Plus, you get stuck with the little paper thing. None of this applies to the Hostess version with the thin chocolate icing with the white curley-ques on top, and "cream" filling. Oh, and the Ken Jr. trade is official.

SteveJRogers Jul 31 2008 01:34 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Oh, and the Ken Jr. trade is official. I'm sorry, I gotta say it: OH MY GOD, THEY TRADED KENNY! YOU BASTARDS!

metirish Jul 31 2008 01:35 PM

SteveJRogers wrote: ="metsguyinmichigan"] Oh, and the Ken Jr. trade is official. I'm sorry, I gotta say it: OH MY GOD, THEY TRADED KENNY! YOU BASTARDS! I don't get it.

Gwreck Jul 31 2008 01:35 PM

If nothing else, it's nice to have Bay, Nady and Marte off the Pirates when we play our remaining 4 games against them.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 31 2008 01:38 PM

metirish wrote: ="SteveJRogers"] ="metsguyinmichigan"] Oh, and the Ken Jr. trade is official. I'm sorry, I gotta say it: OH MY GOD, THEY TRADED KENNY! YOU BASTARDS! I don't get it. South Park reference. I'm a little surprised by the deal. Junior is still Mr. Cincy. There are all kinds of things dedicated to him at that stadium, including a giant home run tote board. They'll retire his number before long.

seawolf17 Jul 31 2008 01:42 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: None of this applies to the Hostess version with the thin chocolate icing with the white curley-ques on top, and "cream" filling. Now I have to stop at the grocery store on the way home. Ass.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 31 2008 01:44 PM

seawolf17 wrote: ="metsguyinmichigan"]None of this applies to the Hostess version with the thin chocolate icing with the white curley-ques on top, and "cream" filling. Now I have to stop at the grocery store on the way home. Ass. Later.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2008 01:52 PM

Ken Rosenthal now confirms the Mets pursuit of Ayala, adding that the Mets would surrender "a low level prospect" in return. Hard to imagine this deal would take so long that a half dozen reporters know about it before its complete.

metirish Jul 31 2008 01:59 PM

Manny to Dodgers is now the hot one.

OlerudOwned Jul 31 2008 01:59 PM

Vince Coleman Firecracker wrote: [url=http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/rays_to_acquire_bay.html]Jason Bay[/url] to the Rays for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann. Good move for the Pirates, and the Rays get a lot better this year. http://minors.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/bay_not_a_ray_yet.html Now maybe not. Interesting fact: Jason Bay's middle name is Raymond. Jay Ray Bay.

AG/DC Jul 31 2008 02:02 PM

Well, you can call me Jay. Or you can call me Ray. Or you can call me Jay Ray. Or you can call me Ray Bay. ...

metirish Jul 31 2008 02:03 PM

It's 4:04 do you know where your players are?

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2008 02:05 PM

"Interesting fact: Jason Bay's middle name is Raymond. Jay Ray Bay" So it's Jay Ray Bay, who may or may not be a T-Bay Ray.

G-Fafif Jul 31 2008 02:14 PM

You can call him Bay You can call him Ray But ya doesn't have to call him Pirate

Centerfield Jul 31 2008 02:20 PM

Bay to the Rays is a nay.

G-Fafif Jul 31 2008 02:27 PM

Ya apparently have to call him Pirate.

G-Fafif Jul 31 2008 02:30 PM

Or not -- Bay becomes a Red Sock as part of Manny to Dodgers drama. Still doesn't have to call him Johnson.

OlerudOwned Jul 31 2008 02:46 PM

Dodgers have now added Juan Pierre, Andruw Jones, and Manny in the last two seasons. They really loves fucking with Matt Kemp and Eithier.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2008 02:51 PM

This has been the greaatest trade deadline season in baseball history, and the Mets didn't even play. How many All-Stars and Future HOFers moved?

AG/DC Jul 31 2008 02:59 PM

Holla Famers: Manny, Griffey, Ivan Rodriguez. CC, Maybe.

smg58 Jul 31 2008 03:47 PM

So the Dodgers get Manny and convince the Red Sox to fork over two of the four young players (including Craig Hansen) in the package the Pirates are getting. And the Rays get the rug swept out from under them. Unfortunately I think the Yankees are even bigger winners than the Dodgers on this one. Andruw Jones is going to be an awfully expensive reserve, though.

attgig Jul 31 2008 03:53 PM

pirates got a great package of young/cheap players for jason bay. good for them.

AG/DC Jul 31 2008 03:54 PM

He already is, anyhow. Do you realize his OPS+ is 36?! I think the Dodgers send him and billion dollars to Houston for PTBNL.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2008 04:27 PM

smg58 wrote: Unfortunately I think the Yankees are even bigger winners than the Dodgers on this one. Hate to say it but the MFYs did very well for themselves this time around. Apparently the Pudge deal was suggested by Pudge himself -- he wasn't going to start allatime anymore and apparently had become the kinda douche who looks for a trade to the MFYs -- but it's a fun thrill to see a midseason trade not involving a team that sucks. Detroit & the MFYs could be the last 2 WC contenders easily.

seawolf17 Jul 31 2008 06:03 PM

How the hell did the Pirates wind up with four good young players for Jason Bay? That's great work by them.

AG/DC Jul 31 2008 06:49 PM

Yup. The sons of Jason Bay will long outlive him.

Valadius Jul 31 2008 07:43 PM

I can't believe we didn't make a move. Ryan Church better come back soon.

metirish Jul 31 2008 08:05 PM

I'm a bit surprised Minaya didn't make a move but I am glad that he didn't part with any significant kids for the likes of Alaya and I guess Seattle were asking for a lot for the players they were rumored to trade to various teams.

Nymr83 Jul 31 2008 08:12 PM

Seattle, a team with no playoff hopes at all, is still holding Raul Ibanez (36 y/o and a free agent at year's end) and Jarrod Washburn (33 and an overpaid innings-eater), they've got to be considered big losers today.

AG/DC Jul 31 2008 10:13 PM

Curt Schilling has offered Jason Bay State his number 38 in exchange for a donation. Super important stats: Bay is hitting .421 lifetime (8-19) against Andy Pettitte, .429 (3-7) against Mike Mussina and .500 (1-2) against Joba Chamberlain.

Rockin' Doc Aug 01 2008 07:02 AM

We can only hope that Jason Bay will continue his mastery of Yankee pitching, but the small sample sizes involved really don't prove very much other than he's had a few good games against those in the past. As they say in investing prospectuses, past performance is not necessarily an indication of future performance. Still, I think the Pirates did well in this deal depending on the future development of the prospects they acquired. Boston should be okay, they lose a great hitter that had become a headache and distraction in the clubhouse, but acquire a younger slugger to replace at a far lower price in the years to come. I think the Red Sox should come out all right. The Dodgers get Manny for virtually nothing (financially) this year, but have invested heavily in an aging future HOFer in hopes that his hitting, already poor fielding, and attitude do not diminish too much further in the future. Ramirez may make this ultimately look like a great deal for the Dodgers, but I doubt it.

AG/DC Aug 01 2008 07:12 AM

Of course I recognize that those are only 29 at-bats. They just suggest more reason hope than 29 at-bats of failure would. Super important = modestly interesting.

metirish Aug 01 2008 07:21 AM

Manny should be super motivated now that he will be a FA come the end of the season , Boras is the agent and I read that if he leaves LA then they will get a first round draft pick and a sandwich pick as compensation. Not bad.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Aug 01 2008 07:27 AM

My friend's a Dodgers fan and he's jazzed about the trade, but I don't think a few weeks of Manny Ramirez and compensatory picks are worth LaRoche's career. Then again, maybe the Dodgers win it all this year and DeWitt winds up being a better third baseman than LaRoche.

metirish Aug 01 2008 10:55 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 01 2008 01:18 PM

Davidoff rates the winners and losers. Why not I suppose , everyone else is. [url=http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spwinners015784829aug01,0,4611799.story]Winners and Loosers[/url]

smg58 Aug 01 2008 12:46 PM

It's more like predicting the winners and losers, at this point. We'll be able to rate the buyers in October. The sellers will take longer, unless LaRoche starts mashing right away.

holychicken Aug 01 2008 01:07 PM

It is good for the Dodgers that they got manny. . . but freeway world series? I know that he didn't outright predict it, but the Dodgers have been struggling to get above 500. . . I have hard time believing that putting Manny in that lineup really makes them look better than any of the big dogs in the central.

AG/DC Aug 01 2008 01:26 PM

Well, they got Manny and Casey Blake. And we're looking at them possibly (if Torre goes all batsmiths all the time) replacing of Juan Pierre and Andruw Jones.

holychicken Aug 01 2008 01:56 PM

But still . . . from 500 to WS? Seems like quite a jump. I wouldn't even be surprised if they still don't make the playoffs.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 01 2008 01:59 PM

You don't have to be much above .500 to win the World Series. (See the 2006 Cardinals.) In fact, one of these days we'll see a sub-.500 team make the playoffs and perhaps win the whole thing. All the Dodgers need to do is finish ahead of Arizona and have a hot run in October. And Manny can (not necessarily will, but can) help them do that.

holychicken Aug 01 2008 02:05 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: You don't have to be much above .500 to win the World Series. (See the 2006 Cardinals.) In fact, one of these days we'll see a sub-.500 team make the playoffs and perhaps win the whole thing. All the Dodgers need to do is finish ahead of Arizona and have a hot run in October. And Manny can (not necessarily will, but can) help them do that. I am not saying that they have no chance and that there is no scenario in which it can happen. All I am saying is that I don't think they have really put themselves into the top teams in the league with these moves which is the way he made it sound, IMO.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 01 2008 04:07 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: You don't have to be much above .500 to win the World Series. (See the 2006 Cardinals.) In fact, one of these days we'll see a sub-.500 team make the playoffs and perhaps win the whole thing. I've been hoping for this ever since '94 just to show up Selig. I don't like Wild Cards, Expanded Playoffs and the illogical Expansion plan that left MLB with a 14 team league and a 16 team league; a four team division and a six team division. Don't get me started on Interleague Play.

SteveJRogers Aug 01 2008 05:55 PM

batmagadanleadoff wrote: ="Benjamin Grimm"]You don't have to be much above .500 to win the World Series. (See the 2006 Cardinals.) In fact, one of these days we'll see a sub-.500 team make the playoffs and perhaps win the whole thing. I've been hoping for this ever since '94 just to show up Selig. I don't like Wild Cards, Expanded Playoffs and the illogical Expansion plan that left MLB with a 14 team league and a 16 team league; a four team division and a six team division. Don't get me started on Interleague Play. Did you enjoy the 2000 National League Champions? Did you enjoy the 2003 and 2004 World Champs who beat the hated Yankees? FWIW the 2006 Cardinals DID win the Central that year. So like the 1973 Mets, they do represent the teams with the least amount of wins to win a non-strike division.

AG/DC Aug 01 2008 07:44 PM

I think a mature person is capable of disliking a system even when it serves his interests.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 02 2008 05:52 AM

I suspect that concept is beyond Steve's grasp.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 02 2008 07:16 AM

AG/DC wrote: I think a mature person is capable of disliking a system even when it serves his interests. Exactly.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 02 2008 09:05 AM

SteveJRogers wrote: Did you enjoy the 2000 National League Champions? Did you enjoy the 2003 and 2004 World Champs who beat the hated Yankees? FWIW the 2006 Cardinals DID win the Central that year. So like the 1973 Mets, they do represent the teams with the least amount of wins to win a non-strike division. I'm only addressing one point here -- or rather, one aspect of one of your points to be exact -- but your argument cuts both ways. The Mets were the best team in the National League in 2006, if not all of baseball. Under the previous playoff system, their chances of getting to the WS are deservedly better. Under the system before that one, the Mets are your 2006 NL pennant winners and the 2006 WS is another Subway Series. It makes no sense to assess the current system solely through the narrow prism of NY baseball.

Elster88 Aug 02 2008 06:32 PM

I wonder if Kaz Matsui would pass waivers.

SteveJRogers Aug 02 2008 09:50 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I suspect that concept is beyond Steve's grasp. No, I understand just fine. Just that I see that argument used in other places, so I'd figure I'd say it here and see bml's response.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 03 2008 07:19 AM

Once again, we have no interest in you bringing us dumb arguments from other places. You contribute more than enough of your own.

AG/DC Aug 03 2008 01:00 PM

The Rogers Bait and Switch is so 2006.