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Makeup Game IGT; Mets - Pirates. 8/11

Frayed Knot Aug 11 2008 09:45 AM

Reyes, ss Evans, lf Wright, 3b Beltran, cf Delgado, 1b Tatis, rf Easley, 2b Cancel, c Martinez, rhp

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 11:20 AM IGT: Mets vs Bucs in soggy one-game series

The Lineup for the good guys: SS Jose Reyes LF Nick Evans 3B David Wright CF Carlos Beltran 1B Carlos Delgado RF Fernando Tatis 2B Damion Easley C Robinson Cancel P Pedro Martinez N. McLouth L. Rivas ss D. Mientkiewicz 1b R. Doumit c A. LaRoche 3b B. Moss lf S. Pearce rf C. Gomez 2b Z. Duke p Is Castro still sore? Game is delayed until 1:40 pm (Merged from IGT: Mets vs Bucs in soggy one-game series, 8/11/2008)

AG/DC Aug 11 2008 11:28 AM

Let's Go Wet Mets!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2008 11:29 AM

]Is Castro still sore? I can't think of any other reason they'd play Cancel.

HahnSolo Aug 11 2008 11:33 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: ]Is Castro still sore? I can't think of any other reason they'd play Cancel. That pesky alarm clock?

AG/DC Aug 11 2008 11:35 AM

Cancel, Casanova, Molina, DiFelice, Tom Wilson --- a whole community of journeyman catchers who owe Castro thank you cards for the big-league coffee they've tasted.

Gwreck Aug 11 2008 11:39 AM

Wilson predated Castro. Kelly Stinnett in '06.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 11 2008 11:44 AM

Pedro gets two quick outs in the first. Mets wearing black. They look more like Pirates than Mets.

AG/DC Aug 11 2008 11:44 AM

Pirates batting Mienkiewicz third. They look more like Mets than Pirates.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2008 11:45 AM

Casanova appears to be tearing it up at AAA, I'm a little surprised he's not up.

Vic Sage Aug 11 2008 11:49 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 11 2008 11:50 AM

The most basic requirement of a backup catcher is to be reliably healthy enough so that you don't have to carry TWO backup catchers ... especially in the era of 7-8 man bullpens, resulting in shortened benches. And, at this point, where it appears we are platooning at 4 out of 8 positions, tying up a bench slot with a 3rd catcher makes us even less adaptable. I like Ramon well enough, and he's hit better over the last few years than I thought he could, but he's just one more aging, creaky player with whom we've got to cut ties after the season.

Gwreck Aug 11 2008 11:50 AM

We're getting more rain and hail in midtown right now. I hope they didn't start this game too early (requiring another delay).

Gwreck Aug 11 2008 11:50 AM

Vic Sage wrote: I like Ramon well enough, and he's hit better over the last few years than I thought he could, but he's just one more aging, creaky player with whom we've got to cut ties after the season. Too bad he's signed through next year too...

Vic Sage Aug 11 2008 11:51 AM

it's slowing down again, but the weather has been practically apocalyptic today.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 11 2008 11:52 AM

Three-run bomb from Wright in the first! Nice start to this game!

Gwreck Aug 11 2008 11:53 AM

Excellent.

AG/DC Aug 11 2008 11:54 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 11 2008 11:57 AM

Quick: start making quick intentional outs.

Gwreck Aug 11 2008 11:54 AM

According to gameday, David hit that homer off the scoreboard. Anyone watching on TV?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2008 11:54 AM

Molly Beers for everyone!

Benjamin Grimm Aug 11 2008 11:55 AM

Me. If it hit the scoreboard, it just grazed the bottom.

AG/DC Aug 11 2008 11:58 AM

Sheesh. Somebody might want to go get Duke, but who wants to burn their bullpen on a game like this?

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 11:59 AM

AG/DC wrote: Quick: start making quick intentional outs. A rain-shortened win might be the only way Pedro's gonna get a complete game victory this year. Wright sure has been on fire!

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 12:04 PM

How long ago was this game originally scheduled? Jorge Sosa pitched the next game in the series.

AG/DC Aug 11 2008 12:06 PM

That's a 16" break on Pedro's 69 MPH curve.

Centerfield Aug 11 2008 12:13 PM

Is Gamecast correct? Did Pedro really have a 12 pitch at-bat?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2008 12:23 PM

] Pirates third. - Pearce doubled to left. - Ch.Gomez grounded into fielder's choice, shortstop J.Reyes to third baseman D.Wright, Ch.Gomez to first, Pearce out. Good play by us or dumb by them?

Centerfield Aug 11 2008 12:32 PM

Things that are hopeless: Rooting for flyballs to get out of play on Gamecast.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2008 12:34 PM

Hey, Cancel cleared the pitcher and extended a rally. I was going to pull him from the game and send him to New Orleans immediately had he not.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2008 12:39 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: ] Pirates third. - Pearce doubled to left. - Ch.Gomez grounded into fielder's choice, shortstop J.Reyes to third baseman D.Wright, Ch.Gomez to first, Pearce out. Good play by us or dumb by them? also: ] On error by catcher R.Doumit, C.Delgado scored. what am I chopped liver

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 12:43 PM

="John Cougar Lunchbucket"] ="John Cougar Lunchbucket"] ] Pirates third. - Pearce doubled to left. - Ch.Gomez grounded into fielder's choice, shortstop J.Reyes to third baseman D.Wright, Ch.Gomez to first, Pearce out. Good play by us or dumb by them? also: ] On error by catcher R.Doumit, C.Delgado scored. what am I chopped liver New avatar for Lunchy

holychicken Aug 11 2008 12:47 PM

Doug Mientkiewicz batting third? Ouch.

AG/DC Aug 11 2008 12:51 PM

Nick Evans, showing some of that missing sextra-base power.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 12:55 PM

Evans saying, "Forget about Dan Murphy? I was here first."

Farmer Ted Aug 11 2008 01:08 PM

Nick is saying "Teixeira who? No need to go FA shopping this offseason."

Frayed Knot Aug 11 2008 01:15 PM

We're doing this 'grab the lead early and sit on it' thing again.

Fman99 Aug 11 2008 01:17 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Molly Beers for everyone! Woo hoo! Let's pound some Beers.

G-Fafif Aug 11 2008 01:18 PM

Ralph just retold the story of Murph and Grant having a shouting match and Murph nearly quitting to replace Curt Gowdy in Boston; and how Mrs. Payson stepped in on Murph's behalf. Hard to imagine Bob Murphy shouting at anyone.

G-Fafif Aug 11 2008 01:21 PM

Pedro Lives!

Benjamin Grimm Aug 11 2008 01:23 PM

Nice job by Senor Martinez: 6 innings, 1 earned run.

G-Fafif Aug 11 2008 01:23 PM

Pedro done! Just for today. Six strong, save for the walks. Encouraging.

G-Fafif Aug 11 2008 01:24 PM

Renew my subscription to CANCEL!

Benjamin Grimm Aug 11 2008 01:24 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Hey, Cancel cleared the pitcher and extended a rally. I was going to pull him from the game and send him to New Orleans immediately had he not. Now he helps his cause by tacking on a solo homer.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 01:25 PM

KABOM! He wants no part of New Orleans in August.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2008 01:25 PM

He knows I've turned up the heat.

Nymr83 Aug 11 2008 01:25 PM

Cancel avoids being sent down with a HR? i still find it hard to justify his presense on the roster

holychicken Aug 11 2008 01:35 PM

And once again our BP tries to make this as interesting as possible. has Smith gotten anyone out recently?

HahnSolo Aug 11 2008 01:35 PM

The bullpen is not going to make this easy, are they?

OlerudOwned Aug 11 2008 01:37 PM

McClouth botches the "Be told to sac-bunt, miss, and homer on the next pitch" play by getting the bunt down.

HahnSolo Aug 11 2008 01:37 PM

They sacrificed a guy to 3rd down 3 runs in the 7th inning? I'm sure there's a Randolph joke in there somewhere.

Nymr83 Aug 11 2008 01:38 PM

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO 4 pitch walk to Rivas with this lead is disgusting, throw a strike!

Nymr83 Aug 11 2008 01:38 PM

and it bites them in the ass as the tying run Mientkiewicz is now at 2nd as the tying run

Frayed Knot Aug 11 2008 01:39 PM

The only guy the pen has gotten out so far is the one who (inexplicably) made out on purpose.

Nymr83 Aug 11 2008 01:41 PM

the bullpen will cost the Mets a playoff spot. they may have already.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 01:41 PM

For the life of me, I can't figure out why Omar has done NOTHING to upgrade the pen. How can they keep running Feliciano out there?

Centerfield Aug 11 2008 01:42 PM

I've seen enough of Feliciano.

HahnSolo Aug 11 2008 01:42 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: For the life of me, I can't figure out why Omar has done NOTHING to upgrade the pen. How can they keep running Feliciano out there? Schoenweis is just as bad?

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 01:43 PM

Nymr83 wrote: the bullpen will cost the Mets a playoff spot. they may have already. That should be "another playoff spot."

Fman99 Aug 11 2008 01:45 PM

Finally.

holychicken Aug 11 2008 01:45 PM

The BP is bad. . .but I wonder how much of it is just because they are tired. Seriously, it seems like every single game all of our relievers pitch or warm up. It is just getting ridiculous.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 01:46 PM

Who do we see now? Show for the eighth and Hielman for the ninth? Would be nice to see some more of Kunz.

Gwreck Aug 11 2008 01:48 PM

Misuse has got to play a factor too. With a 4 run lead, why would we use Smith if we were going to pull him at the first sign of trouble? Wouldn't it have been more prudent to use Kunz for a full inning?

HahnSolo Aug 11 2008 01:49 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: The only guy the pen has gotten out so far is the one who (inexplicably) made out on purpose. Boy, did we luck out with that brainlock move.

Nymr83 Aug 11 2008 01:50 PM

delgado intentionally walked, its Tatis time!

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 01:50 PM

Wright is doing his damnedest to get us some insurance.

AG/DC Aug 11 2008 01:51 PM

It's not the bullpen. This happened when I attended a meeting. My bad.

AG/DC Aug 11 2008 01:52 PM

Oh, and Gameday says this guy's strike zone is kooky.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2008 01:52 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: The only guy the pen has gotten out so far is the one who (inexplicably) made out on purpose. Yeah, why did McLouth sacrifice? Make 'em pay Tatty

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 01:53 PM

AG/DC wrote: It's not the bullpen. This happened when I attended a meeting. My bad. You gotta get an iPhone or something that allows you to follow along during the meeting. Gamecast still showing Tatis as a Dodger. Is it that hard to get a semi-recent shot?

HahnSolo Aug 11 2008 01:55 PM

Runner on 2nd, nobody out, and your 4, 5, and 6 hitters coming up. Sadly, I'm not surprised we didn't score.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 02:00 PM

Seems like Sanchez has been hitting batters left and right lately. But he gets out of the inning, so I tip my cap.

Gwreck Aug 11 2008 02:02 PM

Yeah, but didn't hurt us here. Beer for Duaner once we win.

seawolf17 Aug 11 2008 02:03 PM

They said yesterday on the broadcast that the Mets have hit more batters than any team in the league.

HahnSolo Aug 11 2008 02:03 PM

Beyond the hiccup of the 3-2 HBP, Sanchez throws a pretty strong 1 1/3 innings.

Frayed Knot Aug 11 2008 02:03 PM

At least Duaner was a good boy today. Heilman got the day off yesterday so I assume it'll be him for the 9th. Be nice to get him a bigger lead.

holychicken Aug 11 2008 02:03 PM

Whoa, what? Did our BP just pitch an inning without giving up a run? INCREDIBLE! Call Elias! This has GOT to be some kind of record!

Centerfield Aug 11 2008 02:03 PM

How was his velocity?

holychicken Aug 11 2008 02:04 PM

Yeah, at the game on Saturday, the sign said he reached 92. . .I didn't believe it.

AG/DC Aug 11 2008 02:12 PM

MAR-LON! MAR-LON! MAR-LON! No! They send the AA kid up instead! What a total dis!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2008 02:16 PM

Anderson's not back, is he?

AG/DC Aug 11 2008 02:17 PM

No, but I forgot.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 02:17 PM

Tell ya what, I like that Murphy is patient. He's already got six walks, which might be more than Reyes had his entire first year.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2008 02:21 PM

Really coulda used a double there.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 02:21 PM

Top of the order for the Buccos. Let's bring this one home.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 02:25 PM

One!

Gwreck Aug 11 2008 02:31 PM

That's four straight fastballs Mientkiewicz has fouled off, Aaron. Time for the change.

attgig Aug 11 2008 02:33 PM

oh boy...

TransMonk Aug 11 2008 02:33 PM

Trouble.

HahnSolo Aug 11 2008 02:33 PM

3 hits and a walk for f***ing mientkiewicz.

Nymr83 Aug 11 2008 02:33 PM

FUCKING HEILMAN

holychicken Aug 11 2008 02:34 PM

HahnSolo wrote: 3 hits and a walk for f***ing mientkiewicz. It's because I made fun of him in the 3 hole. Sorry.

AG/DC Aug 11 2008 02:34 PM

Sixteen of his first 18 pitches had been fastballs, before finally walking Mientkiewicz on a ball four change.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 11 2008 02:34 PM

Gary and Ron predicted that if the Pirates fell behind early, they'd just mail it in the rest of the way. So much for that.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2008 02:34 PM

Fucking terrific

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 02:34 PM

Son of a ..... Absolutely disgusted.

holychicken Aug 11 2008 02:35 PM

Wow, we might just lose this game. Unbelievable. Actually, at this point, it is almost as if winning a game that we start out ahead is unbelievable.

Gwreck Aug 11 2008 02:35 PM

Gameday says Heilman threw a first pitch fastball to Mientkiewicz -- ball. Then he throws four straight that he fouls off. 1-2 count. But then he throws another two fastballs, both out of the zone. Finally goes to the changeup, and it's ball 4. Umm...earth to Aaron/Robinson Cancel. Maybe when it's 1-2, that's the better time for the changeup?

G-Fafif Aug 11 2008 02:36 PM

"He will cross his fingers and bring in Schoeneweis." The Aaron of good feeling is over.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2008 02:36 PM

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Gary and Ron predicted that if the Pirates fell behind early, they'd just mail it in the rest of the way. So much for that. They see enough Mets games to know the opposite is true: Its when the Mets get an early lead they turn the engines off.

metirish Aug 11 2008 02:36 PM

Fuck Gameday Fuck Heilman Fuck Cancel And fuck me.

holychicken Aug 11 2008 02:37 PM

And another HBP. Incredible. Fuckshit.

KC Aug 11 2008 02:38 PM

My headache is back.

Farmer Ted Aug 11 2008 02:38 PM

Same nightmare. Different day.

metirish Aug 11 2008 02:38 PM

It's so frustrating , it's like I am sitting here at work waiting for slow arse Window's 98 to bring me the bad news.....

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 02:39 PM

Maybe the pitching coach wasn't the bleeping problem afterall.

Nymr83 Aug 11 2008 02:40 PM

Easley with a great play to save heilman's ass

metirish Aug 11 2008 02:41 PM

At least Ben Grim has a nice long vacation to help get away from this misery , go away now and enjoy yourself for we will surely be miserable here.

KC Aug 11 2008 02:41 PM

irish: Fuck Gameday Fuck Heilman Fuck Cancel And fuck me<<< A quadfecta!

Methead Aug 11 2008 02:43 PM

this is not happening this is not happening this is not happening this is not happening this is not happening this is not happening this is not happening this is not happening

Nymr83 Aug 11 2008 02:43 PM

7-5 Pirates fuck fuck fuck

holychicken Aug 11 2008 02:45 PM

Maybe if you stop fuckin falling BEHIND every god-damn hitter you wouldn't have to groove one down the middle for an easy hit?

Frayed Knot Aug 11 2008 02:45 PM

5 relievers used, 4 sucked. Oh yeah, and we've scored one run since the 1st inning.

Centerfield Aug 11 2008 02:46 PM

The Mets can officially blow me.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2008 02:47 PM

We deserve it for having Beltran hit cleanup vs. lefties. And having Anus Reyes as our lead pinch-hitter. And for not bothering to get bullpen help at the deadline for 2nd year in a row despite bringing back the same group and riding them into the ground over the first few months of the year

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 02:47 PM

Disgusting. This is the same crap for the second year in a row, and largely the same players in the pen, too. Hello, Omar. This...group...can't...get...it...done! It's got to be so disheartening to be one of the starters.

G-Fafif Aug 11 2008 02:51 PM

Centerfield wrote: The Mets can officially blow me. Well, they officially blow saves...

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 02:51 PM

Wasn't Kunz the closer in NO? Seriously, why not see what he can do? Clearly Show and Heilman are incapable of getting it done.

Frayed Knot Aug 11 2008 02:53 PM

Totally disgusting

Vic Sage Aug 11 2008 02:56 PM

It's been 3-2 on Beltran for a while now. what's the deal?

soupcan Aug 11 2008 02:58 PM

What do you think? 7-5 Pirates. Final.

KC Aug 11 2008 02:58 PM

Mets won, Vic!

Vic Sage Aug 11 2008 02:59 PM

well, then. after they blow CF, they can blow me, too. i don't mind sloppy seconds.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 03:02 PM

Jerry needs to go into Omar's office -- not the clubhouse -- and turn over the spread, stomp around and tell him to get his head out of his ass. All the other contenders did something to improve themselves. Either A) he can't do the job, or B) he doesn't think we're contenders. The Bradford deal is the one that's a kick in the shins. I know we couldn't get him on waivers. But why not before the deadline? That's exactly the type of player we needed.

bmfc1 Aug 11 2008 04:37 PM

MGIM nails it. Bradford was available but either the Orioles wanted too much or Omar didn't want him enough, if at all. Whichever it was, Omar has done nothing to improve this team this season. He was lucky that Santana "fell back" (his words) to the Mets, and got lucky with Tatis, but he hasn't made any trades this season which leads to disasters like we saw today. The bullpen helped get Willie fired and it will do the same to Jerry. We keep hearing that Omar will work the waiver wire but a) he hasn't done so yet and b) even if he picked up somebody tonight, it wouldn't change today's result. He has been passive to a fault.

OlerudOwned Aug 11 2008 05:12 PM

Well fuck, they were winning when I left. Games like this do a lot to make me feel better about not being able to watch them after I move south.

KC Aug 11 2008 05:17 PM

I disagree with both of you, sorta. There are too many innings in a row, game to game, when this offense goes into snooze mode with a lead. Wright had a nice game, but threw his bat down in disgust in his last AB because he knew it. They needed another run or two. Easley sucked today. Sure they could use a guy to step up in the pen or have traded for this 'magical guy' that every team needs ... tossing buffet tables or marching into GM offices is a bit over-dramatic in my opinion. I think it's time to give Kunz a shot at a save, I think we'll see that next time there is the opportunity for one. OE: typing slowly and talking to bm and mgim, not OO.

PiazzaFan411 Aug 11 2008 06:07 PM

What I want to know is what Manuel said in the dugout that made the fuckwad of a home-plate umpire to toss him. I know he had a good point at least, they gave the Pirates the BOTD on the close ones and not the Mets. I was shocked to see him get tossed that fast. Otherwise it seemed that Wright, Martinez and Sanchez seemed to be doing most of the work tonight.

soupcan Aug 11 2008 06:56 PM

KC wrote: I disagree with both of you, sorta. There are too many innings in a row, game to game, when this offense goes into snooze mode with a lead. Wright had a nice game, but threw his bat down in disgust in his last AB because he knew it. They needed another run or two. Easley sucked today. If they had won 5-1 you wouldn't have written this. The offense is not the problem, the defense is not the problem, the starting pitching is not the problem, the manager is not the problem. It's the bullpen. Last year, this year.

KC Aug 11 2008 07:00 PM

Ok, so go turn over a buffet table.

soupcan Aug 11 2008 07:02 PM

...and it ain't the assorted meats.

KC Aug 11 2008 07:21 PM

My underlying beef here was more in response to they shoulda done this and other teams did that. That's easy crap to type when you're pissed. I don't recall anyone saying Wagner looks spent, or he looks hurt at the trade deadline. I also take issue with people who think the bullpen is just an easy thing to prop up via a quick trade ... everyone needs middle relief pitching, it's the nature of today's game. The assorted meats comment is probably funny, but I don't get it.

metirish Aug 11 2008 07:30 PM

Oh stop making sense KC , now is not the time.

bmfc1 Aug 11 2008 07:50 PM

"I also take issue with people who think the bullpen is just an easy thing to prop up via a quick trade." It's not but you gotta try. Omar didn't. Wouldn't you rather have Bradford than Joe Smith? I would. What's the expression? Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. That's the Mets bullpen these days. "That's easy crap to type when you're pissed" I wouldn't say that about your opinion. This is the CPF, not a MFY board.

metirish Aug 11 2008 07:53 PM

Well I think Minaya probably tried and the asking price in his determination was too high , I'm down with that...knowwhatimean?

bmfc1 Aug 11 2008 07:55 PM

I hope that was the case metirish--I just don't understand how most other teams, including the MFYs, got something when our team got nothing and needed something in the 'pen so badly.

SteveJRogers Aug 11 2008 08:09 PM

="bmfc1"]"I also take issue with people who think the bullpen is just an easy thing to prop up via a quick trade." It's not but you gotta try. Omar didn't. Wouldn't you rather have Bradford than Joe Smith? I would. What's the expression? Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. That's the Mets bullpen these days. "That's easy crap to type when you're pissed" I wouldn't say that about your opinion. This is the CPF, not a MFY board. That's insanity.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 08:45 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 11 2008 08:51 PM

KC wrote: Ok, so go turn over a buffet table. I didn't mean literally. My point is that the blame is headed to the wrong place. You can only blame Feliciano and Heilman so much, because they've proven time and again that they do what they do. If they could change, they would. But they're either burned out or don't have the skills. The blame is for the people who send them out game after game. It's not Manuel's fault, though I'd like to see Kunz in there for a change. But he's going with the horses he's got. Everybody knew at the end of last year that the bully couldn't get the job done. And the best he could do was Matt Wise? Yes, Omar upgraded the rotation. Props for that. And I suppose that when you have better starters and they pitch deeper, that's less strain on the pen and the pen is better. But hell, we knew by May that the pen wasn't any better. And he'd done nothing to improve it. We gave up a chunk of farm to get the best pitcher in the game in his prime, and we're pissing him away because he has to pitch a complete game to get a stinking win. With this happening time and again, how do you do nothing? I'm not saying to give up what's left of the farm for Huston Street or Brian Fuentes. But you'd think there was someone out there who would be even a little upgrade.

soupcan Aug 11 2008 08:47 PM

KC wrote: The assorted meats comment is probably funny, but I don't get it. 'Cuz if you're flipping over the buffet table aren't you blaming the food...?

themetfairy Aug 11 2008 08:58 PM

It was frustrating being there as the final third of the game unfolded. Feh!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2008 08:58 PM

]You can only blame Feliciano and Heilman so much, because they've proven time and again that they do what they do. If they could change, they would. But they're either burned out or don't have the skills. I vote "both" Heilman is leading the NL in appearances with 62 (tied with Blaine Boyer of ATL). Feliciano is tied for 2nd with 61. Smith has 58 apps, tied for 9th.

bmfc1 Aug 12 2008 07:05 AM

Matt Cerrone opines, today: …if all else fails, the Mets should put Omar Minaya on the mound, because, frankly, it’s starting to feel as though his lack of action – be it in the off-season, or at the trade deadline – is starting to bite his staff in the behind… …this is essentially the exact same bullpen that failed him in 2007, and yet omar’s only moves were Matt Wise, who is on the disabled list; Steven Register, who was cut and sent back to the Rockies; and hoping for a strong return from Duaner Sanchez, who has totally lost his fastball in recent weeks… …to omar’s credit, though, the buzz from shea during July was that he had been working hard to change the dynamic of the pen, as he tried to acquire a relief pitcher to add in the mix…however, teams were asking for too much, which is obvious when you consider that like Huston Street, JJ Putz, George Sherrill, etc., were not traded – they were not traded at all, so clearly teams were asking too much in return… …that said, Arthur Rhodes and Chad Bradford were traded in exchange for one minor-leaguer…and while a player like Scott Eyre is hardly exciting, as he was recently traded to the Phillies, at least he’s some one different… …it’s a shame really, because, between the Mets, Phillies and Marlins, the Mets have the easiest schedule from now through the end of the season…of course, that means nothing if the bullpen isn’t there to close the deal…

metirish Aug 12 2008 07:12 AM

Huston Street is no longer the closer for the A's , apparently he is going through his own troubles on the mound. His replacement is rookie Brad Ziegler.

AG/DC Aug 15 2008 10:10 AM

It strikes me that we have some kind of team rule where we have to give away a win to Pittsburgh once a year.

Gwreck Aug 15 2008 10:50 AM

From your CPF research department: 2008: This thread, this game. 2007: August 16, 2007. Mets up 7-4 after 5 innings. Lose 10-7. Mota/Feliciano/Heilman give back 3 runs in the 6th and 7th to tie. Errors by Wright and DiFelice lead to 3 unearned runs in the 8th for the Pirates. Relive the misery [url=http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/7100/f14_t7142.shtml]here[/url]. 2006: September 16, 2006. 2 outs, bottom of the 9th, tie game. Joe Randa walks, Ronny Paulino RBI double off Heilman scores him. This was the series where any win would have clinched the division for us but we got swept instead. Relive it [url=http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/4600/f14_t4646.shtml]here[/url]. 2005: July 8, 2005. Mets had just taken 3 of 4 from Washington, who were the division leaders at the time (!). Mets up 5-1 going to the bottom of the 9th. Heilman (umm, him again) loads the bases with two outs, and Willie goes to Looper. After an epic 12-pitch at bat, Tike Redman hits a 2-RBI single; it's followed immediately by a Matt Lawton 2-RBI double. In the 10th, Looper still in, 2-base throwing error by Miguel Cairo puts the winning run at second. Humberto Cota with the walk-off single. More misery [url=http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/400/f14_t497.shtml]here[/url]. 2004: Whole bunch of crappy loses, one doesn't stick out: April 16, 2004: Glavine goes 7 IP, 1 H, 0 Runs. In the 8th, the Pirates get 7 runs of the trio of Orber Moreno, Mike Stanton and Dan Wheeler. April 17, 2004: Pirates starter Oliver Perez goes 6 2/3 shutout innings, but then walks 2 and Wiggington ties it (1-1) with an RBI single. Trachsel gives the run back the next inning and the Mets lose 2-1. September 19, 2004: Aaron Heilman goes 7 IP, 2 H, 1 R, but again takes the loss against the Pirates when the Mets get 3 hits and no runs for the whole game. 2003: September 25, 2003. Bob Murphy's last game. Mets lose 3-1, only run on a Wiggington solo homer. Also Piazza's first game at first base. 2002: September 24, 2002. Mets up 3-0 after 6. Give up 2 in the 7th and 4 in the 8th to lose 6-3. Steve Reed, Mark Guthrie and David Weathers are your culprits.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 15 2008 11:00 AM

Well done.

AG/DC Aug 15 2008 11:06 AM

Wow, that's the kind of impression that I hoped was just an impression. It looks like only the 2003 game wasn't a give-back. We really need to sweep the season series decisively from them next year. Actually, let's start now. Gwood gwork, Gwreck.

Centerfield Aug 15 2008 04:07 PM

I guess those games could be considered the revenge of Brad Clontz.

G-Fafif Aug 15 2008 04:13 PM

="Gwreck"]From your CPF research department: September 19, 2004: Aaron Heilman goes 7 IP, 2 H, 1 R, but again takes the loss against the Pirates when the Mets get 3 hits and no runs for the whole game. Mets swept in a DH that afternoon in PNC, I recall. Art Howe was in his fired/not fired state. The night before we barely hung on. Jason Bay introduced himself to us as ROTY in waiting, one more trade gone south for us. Plus I was out looking for the papers that Sunday and saw reSkankified El Duque on Baseball Weekly cover bragging that he's a great October pitcher and the MFYs were sizzling. It was the most depressed I'd been since, well, the year before. 2004 had seemed, until late August, not so bad. That weekend in Pittsburgh reminded me it had all gone to hell again. Never would have dreamed 2005 would get us above the water line and that we'd stay there for a while. Let's beat them tonight, shall we?