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John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2008 01:01 PM

]D-backs get Dunn from Reds for three prospects ESPN.com news services The Arizona Diamondbacks added a big bat Monday in their attempt to hold off the Los Angeles Dodgers in the NL West race. Arizona acquired Cincinnati Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, who is tied for the major league lead with 32 home runs, for three prospects. The trade was first reported by KTAR Radio in Phoenix. In exchange for Dunn, Cincinnati will receive minor league pitcher Dallas Burk and two other players to be named later. Buck got a call from D-backs farm director A.J. Hinch, telling him he had been traded for Dunn. Buck, who was traveling with the Single-A Visalia Oaks, was already on the bus to San Jose, Calif., when Hinch called him. He had to tell teammates of the trade en route. "It was kind of funny," Buck said, "because I was rumored to be in a deal for [Mark] Teixeira, so when I just told them they all thought I was messing with them." Buck was drafted by Arizona in the third round of the 2005 draft. Once a top-notch prospect, Buck's draft status fell after had an elbow injury revealed on the eve of the '05 draft that bumped him out of a likely first-round slot. He had Tommy John surgery last summer and had begun pitching in Single-A this summer. Dunn is tied with the Phillies' Ryan Howard for the NL lead with his 32 homers. The White Sox's Carlos Quentin also has 32 home runs. Information from ESPN.com's Amy K. Nelson was used in this report.

metirish Aug 11 2008 01:03 PM

Am I wrong in thinking that it didn't take a whole lot to trade for Dunn?

Nymr83 Aug 11 2008 01:07 PM

that looks cheap to me, where were the mets on this???

Frayed Knot Aug 11 2008 01:08 PM

Well, considering that we don't know who 2/3 of the trade involves it's kinda tough to say whether the price is cheap or not.

seawolf17 Aug 11 2008 01:09 PM

Arizona has a worse record, so if they claimed him, it never even got to the Mets.

Nymr83 Aug 11 2008 01:17 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 11 2008 01:18 PM

seawolf17 wrote: Arizona has a worse record, so if they claimed him, it never even got to the Mets. i'm not asking why the Mets didn't block the waivers, i'm asking why they didn't offer more than the reds got. ]Well, considering that we don't know who 2/3 of the trade involves it's kinda tough to say whether the price is cheap or not. i assume that because Buck was mentioned he is the best guy in the trade, the mets could have done better.

seawolf17 Aug 11 2008 01:18 PM

What I'm saying is that it didn't matter, at least not this week. The Mets would never have even gotten a chance. They probably had a chance before the deadline, yes, but not today.

Nymr83 Aug 11 2008 01:19 PM

seawolf17 wrote: What I'm saying is that it didn't matter, at least not this week. The Mets would never have even gotten a chance. They probably had a chance before the deadline, yes, but not today. so you think the Reds traded away their best player in secret without making it known he was available? i find that hard to believe

metsguyinmichigan Aug 11 2008 01:22 PM

Blue Jays just released Shannon Stewart, who hasn't played since an ankle injury in June.

Frayed Knot Aug 11 2008 01:25 PM

]i'm not asking why the Mets didn't block the waivers, i'm asking why they didn't offer more than the reds got. The Mets could offer Wright & Reyes with a Beltran to be named later but if Arizona claimed him the Mets had no way to make such a deal. ]i assume that because Buck was mentioned he is the best guy in the trade, the mets could have done better. Don't assume

seawolf17 Aug 11 2008 01:28 PM

Exactly. It wasn't a matter of the Reds waiting around for a better offer -- Dunn had to get through waivers, and Arizona had priority; so they got a shot at him. The Reds had three options: let him go to Arizona for nothing, pull him back and keep him (they then can't trade him at all until the off-season), or work a deal with Arizona. The Mets couldn't have been in the picture, so it doesn't matter.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2008 01:30 PM

Nymr83 wrote: i assume that because Buck was mentioned he is the best guy in the trade ... It only means he was one the teams had agreed on. There is prolly a list of other prospects for Cincy scouts to evaluate and select, it could shirley include better prospects.

Vic Sage Aug 11 2008 01:54 PM

it's also just a 40-game rental. I'd still like to try and sign Dunn in the off-season.

attgig Aug 11 2008 01:56 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Blue Jays just released Shannon Stewart, who hasn't played since an ankle injury in June. I would think he's worth a AAA contract. he was usually a decent obp guy, though not a great power guy.

attgig Aug 11 2008 01:57 PM

Vic Sage wrote: it's also just a 40-game rental. I'd still like to try and sign Dunn in the off-season. I don't think I'd want a him even with his power. just too many K's. Anyways, Bowden would prolly overpay him since it's one of his old guys.... (in partial jest)

AG/DC Aug 11 2008 02:20 PM

All trades are opportunitites to rip the Mets.

Vic Sage Aug 11 2008 03:14 PM

]just too many K's Too many for what? Do they start subtracting runs if you K too much? No, i didn't think so. Dunn has a career OBP that approaches .400... he's not just a slugger, he's a patient and selective hitter. Does he strike out alot? Yup. But he walks alot too. In addition, he is usually amongst league leaders in HRs. Ultimately, an out is an out. Some outs are more productive than others, but putting a ball in play can also create mutliple outs, or force the lead runner, and the sacrifice of power to put the ball in play is rarely worth it, in my view, as it, like bunting, may increase the chances of scoring 1 run, but decreases the chances of scoring mutliple runs. And unless you're in Dodger Stadium in the mid-1960s, 1 run strategies are rarely good ideas. Now, you probably don't want an entire lineup of guys like this, because balance is important to avoid a "boom or bust" offense, but having a 28-year old LHed OF/1bman who can give you a line of 100r /100rbi /40hr /.900 OPS to hit behing Reyes, Wright and Beltran seems like a pretty good idea to me.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 12 2008 01:51 PM

Paul Byrd to the Red Sox for a PTBNL

metirish Aug 12 2008 01:56 PM

Ahh for fecks sake Minaya....were you in for Byrd...trying to muster fake outrage here...not working.

seawolf17 Aug 12 2008 02:25 PM

Nope. Within league first.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 12 2008 02:38 PM

Ass.

metirish Aug 12 2008 02:39 PM

Whole.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 13 2008 04:55 AM

Reports say one PTBNL in the Dunn Deal is Micah Owings

smg58 Aug 13 2008 05:40 AM

Interesting. So the D-Backs get two (or three) more months out of Owings because he wouldn't clear waivers. That's creative maneuvering on their part. Still, I'd hate to feel like a lame duck. It makes the deal look significantly better for the Reds, although Owings is a work in progress as a pitcher. Arizona has managed to acquire Dunn and Jon Rauch without dealing from the top of their deck. If they make the playoffs and the Mets don't, that will reflect poorly on Minaya.

metirish Aug 13 2008 06:33 AM

] So the D-Backs get two (or three) more months out of Owings because he wouldn't clear waivers. Sorry but I am not getting what you mean here .

sharpie Aug 13 2008 06:50 AM

Owings is in the minors, not like Arizona is getting anything out of him although he could be brought up in September, likely to pinch-hit.

soupcan Aug 13 2008 07:13 AM

Vlad is going to spontaneously combust when he sees that Micah Owings was traded to a team other than the Mets. On a seperate note I see that Sheffield - he of 2 homeruns hit last night - has cleared waivers. I think he's got $14 million due him next year.

Frayed Knot Aug 13 2008 07:31 AM

I don't believe you can PTBNL a player on the 25-man roster. If it is Owings I don't know what would be keeping him from being named unless he's doing some rehab

sharpie Aug 13 2008 07:32 AM

Owings is not on the 25-man roster but is on the 40-man roster. I don't know if that makes a difference or not.

AG/DC Aug 13 2008 07:34 AM

Well, we're going back some 40 years but some of the Mets most celebrated PtBNLs --- Harry Chiti, Gus Bell --- were on the 25.

duan Aug 13 2008 10:10 AM

sheffield would be a more expensive version of the Moises Alou whirl but with the man in question being a dick too.

Frayed Knot Aug 13 2008 10:14 AM

He's also hitting .220 and comes with a $14mil contract for next year.

soupcan Aug 13 2008 10:25 AM

How about Castillo for Sheffield straight up?

seawolf17 Aug 13 2008 10:52 AM

="soupcan"]How about Castillo for Sheffield straight up? Hey! Eighth in the league in hitting over here. You keep Castillo off my team.

Centerfield Aug 13 2008 11:33 AM

soupcan wrote: How about Castillo for Sheffield straight up? Once we get Sheffield, we could package him along with Bonilla (who we're still paying) and trade him for Piazza and Zeile.

smg58 Aug 13 2008 11:38 AM

sharpie wrote: Owings is not on the 25-man roster but is on the 40-man roster. I don't know if that makes a difference or not. Yes, because he would then have to clear waivers to get dealt right now.

AG/DC Aug 13 2008 11:40 AM

Shef, Eisenreich, and the long-gone Manny Barrios are the only guys in that trade that the Mets haven't eventually acquired.

smg58 Aug 13 2008 11:51 AM

soupcan wrote: How about Castillo for Sheffield straight up? As Seawolf pointed out, the Tigers don't need a second baseman. But Jeff Kent is likely retiring, in which case the Dodgers might be willing to talk. I'd be willing to offer Castillo and Schoeneweis for Andruw Jones and Hong Chi Kuo. I can't imagine Kuo would clear waivers, though, so it would have to wait until the offseason.

soupcan Aug 13 2008 12:25 PM

Well my thinking was more about swapping bad contracts than the Tigers needing a secondbaseman. Castillo may be more money and more years but maybe the Tigers want to rid themselves of Sheff in a bad enough way to do it. Taking an oft-injured and expensive Sheffield would be a risk for the Mets but even if he can't do anything next year, they're trading $18.75 million of lousy Castillo over the next 3 years for Sheffield's $14 million over one. ="smg58"]I'd be willing to offer Castillo and Schoeneweis for Andruw Jones and Hong Chi Kuo. I can't imagine Kuo would clear waivers, though, so it would have to wait until the offseason. Andruw Jones?! And my suggestion is getting mocked...?

AG/DC Aug 13 2008 12:38 PM

Castillo's contract is a bad contract like the S.S. Minnow is a shipwreck. Jones' contract is the Titanic.

86-Dreamer Aug 13 2008 01:37 PM

AG/DC wrote: Castillo's contract is a bad contract like the S.S. Minnow is a shipwreck. Jones' contract is the Titanic. Bingo. $22.1 million still due, plus a no trade clause, and Boras. Also small matter that he can no longer hit a lick: from ESPN: A five-time All-Star, Jones will receive a $12.2 million signing bonus, of which $5.1 million is payable next year (2008), $2.1 million in 2009 and $5 million in 2010. He will get salaries of $9 million next year (2008) and $15 million in 2009, and also will receive a no-trade clause.

metirish Aug 13 2008 01:41 PM

Jones receives a private hotel suite while on the road as part of current contract.

Vic Sage Aug 13 2008 01:56 PM

he also has his balls washed nightly with Perrier, by 71 virgins from Curacao. That's what i hear, anyway.

seawolf17 Aug 13 2008 02:25 PM

Plus there's the whole HE SUCKS NOW thing.

Frayed Knot Aug 13 2008 02:36 PM

Vic Sage wrote: he also has his balls washed nightly with Perrier, by 71 virgins from Curacao. Don't be absurd. You know you can't find 71 virgins in Curacao. * The preceding was a joke too juicy to pass up based solely on the set-up and was not meant to question the morals or character of the nation of Curacao or anyone who may be from what I'm sure is a lovely island paradise

Vic Sage Aug 14 2008 08:18 AM

Well, certainly not since Wilt Chamberlain played in an exhbition tournament there in 1978.

TransMonk Sep 12 2008 05:22 PM

Micah Owings completes the deal. Just in case anyone was holding their breath. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3584426