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IGT #125 - Mets at Pirates - August 18, 2008

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 09:08 AM

New York Mets A. Reyes 2B Evans LF Wright 3B Beltran CF Delgado 1B Tatis RF Easley SS Castro C Maine P Pittsburgh Pirates Nate McLouth CF Freddy Sanchez 2B Ryan Doumit C Adam LaRoche 1B Jason Michaels LF Andy LaRoche 3B Steve Pearce RF Jack Wilson SS Paul Maholm P

AG/DC Aug 18 2008 09:27 AM

Poor Pittsburgh. They're the team with so little respect that they see a day off for Wright and for Reyes in the same series.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 18 2008 09:59 AM

It's great that AquaVelva Reyes, the least likeliest guy to ever get on base, is leading off. I think Randolph kidnapped Manuel and is managing this team in disguise. Maybe they could put Argonaut Reyes on that spaceship, too.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 18 2008 10:00 AM

I guess Santana's gonna hafta pitch another shutout today.

holychicken Aug 18 2008 10:16 AM

batmagadanleadoff wrote: It's great that AquaVelva Reyes, the least likeliest guy to ever get on base, is leading off. I think Randolph kidnapped Manuel and is managing this team in disguise. Maybe they could put Argonaut Reyes on that spaceship, too. Manuel likes to play the hot hand and Reyes has a 450 OBP over the past week (5 games). Seems pretty Manuel-esque to me.

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 10:38 AM

And sure enough, A. Reyes singles to lead off the game.

AG/DC Aug 18 2008 10:43 AM

Dave Magadan, meanwhile, languaishes on the Red Sox bench, seven years removed from his last big league at-bat.

holychicken Aug 18 2008 10:49 AM

Does Wright strike out with a man on third and less than 2 outs more than anyone in the history of the game or is it just me?

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 10:52 AM

Having 2nd and 3rd with nobody out and only scoring 1 run is disappointing.

TransMonk Aug 18 2008 11:02 AM

Hey, John Maine...walks usually kill!

OlerudOwned Aug 18 2008 11:04 AM

Maine missing his control and velocity right now. Worrisome.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 18 2008 11:13 AM

AG/DC wrote: Dave Magadan, meanwhile, languaishes on the Red Sox bench, seven years removed from his last big league at-bat. And Tommie Agee's dead.

metirish Aug 18 2008 11:14 AM

Is that The Beano comic? , loved that as a kid.

AG/DC Aug 18 2008 11:15 AM

holychicken wrote: Does Wright strike out with a man on third and less than 2 outs more than anyone in the history of the game or is it just me? Seeing as he's on a pace to tie the team RBI record this season...

PiazzaFan411 Aug 18 2008 11:15 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 18 2008 11:16 AM

Jerry tossed on argument over out call. At first the umpires called Interference on John Maine which then changed to Reyes taking a step to 2nd. Someone has to explain this to me.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 18 2008 11:15 AM

metirish wrote: Is that The Beano comic? , loved that as a kid. Yes it is. But who's reading it?

metirish Aug 18 2008 11:17 AM

No idea Bat but I know when you tell me I'll be kicking myself.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 18 2008 11:18 AM

What Wright does more than anyone -- I'm convinced of it but don't have the stats to show it -- is fly out in foul territory. I don;t mean this as snarky commentary -- I am serious. I am willing to bet no other player has made as many outs as Wright has this year on fly balls out of play.

holychicken Aug 18 2008 11:20 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: What Wright does more than anyone -- I'm convinced of it but don't have the stats to show it -- is fly out in foul territory. I don;t mean this as snarky commentary -- I am serious. I am willing to bet no other player has made as many outs as Wright has this year on fly balls out of play. I am sure the Wilpons would love you if you gave them a reason to fill all of foul territory in Citifield with seats.

PiazzaFan411 Aug 18 2008 11:21 AM

So what was the call on the whole Maine-Reyes thing. Maine out on Fielder's Choice and Reyes counted as a tag? I think Jerry Manuel presented a good arguement, they called it Interference on John Maine even though he slid and Reyes didn't do anything to the 1st Basemen.

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 11:21 AM

I think they pretty much did that already. There's not much room down the lines -- anywhere -- in the new park.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 18 2008 11:22 AM

="metirish"]No idea Bat but I know when you tell me I'll be kicking myself.

metirish Aug 18 2008 11:25 AM

Not shitting you but John Mayall popped into my head , I knew I had see that before.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 18 2008 11:31 AM

metirish wrote: Not shitting you but John Mayall popped into my head , I knew I had see that before. Don't see. Listen. In that album is the sound ("THE SOUND!) that made the Gibson Guitar Company and launched a whole generation of guitar players. Mayall's the first guy. Clapton's reading the Beano. On the other side of Clapton is John McVie, the "Mac" in Fleetwood Mac.

holychicken Aug 18 2008 11:35 AM

Why is the batter given the benefit of the doubt on a sacrifice fly, but not given it on a groundout that drives in a run?

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 11:36 AM

Isn't McVie on the far right?

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 11:38 AM

Again with the 2nd and 3rd, nobody out, and we get only one run. Damian grounds into a DP. Can't believe I'm thinking that I might be ready to have Castillo back and that he's going to be an improvement on Easley.

Fman99 Aug 18 2008 11:40 AM

batmagadanleadoff wrote: ="metirish"]Is that The Beano comic? , loved that as a kid. Yes it is. But who's reading it? It's Eric Clapton. That's the cover from the Bluesbreaker album that he did with John Mayall about 40 years ago. I think.

bmfc1 Aug 18 2008 11:40 AM

holychicken wrote: Why is the batter given the benefit of the doubt on a sacrifice fly, but not given it on a groundout that drives in a run? I agree with you on that--the batter that hits a GB that brings in a run is 0 for 1 but a batter that hits a flyball that brings in a run is 0 for 0. E.g., on Thursday night, the Mets had 2nd and 3rd, nobody out. Delgado, batting 4th, hit a GB that scored a run and advanced the runner to third who scored on a Beltran flyball. Delgado directly lead to 2 runs but was 0 for 1 while Beltran was 0 for 0.

Fman99 Aug 18 2008 11:41 AM

="batmagadanleadoff"] ="metirish"]No idea Bat but I know when you tell me I'll be kicking myself. Yep.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 18 2008 11:53 AM

They're in the bottom of the fifth already? Did they start this thing at noon, or are they just blazing through the game?

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 11:55 AM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: They're in the bottom of the fifth already? Did they start this thing at noon, or are they just blazing through the game? 12:35 first pitch.

duan Aug 18 2008 11:55 AM

bmfc1 wrote: ="holychicken"]Why is the batter given the benefit of the doubt on a sacrifice fly, but not given it on a groundout that drives in a run? I agree with you on that--the batter that hits a GB that brings in a run is 0 for 1 but a batter that hits a flyball that brings in a run is 0 for 0. E.g., on Thursday night, the Mets had 2nd and 3rd, nobody out. Delgado, batting 4th, hit a GB that scored a run and advanced the runner to third who scored on a Beltran flyball. Delgado directly lead to 2 runs but was 0 for 1 while Beltran was 0 for 0. i assume, because a ground ball inherently has a level of fielder's choice about it that a fly ball does not.

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 11:58 AM

Maine has loaded the bases with one out in the fifth -- 2 walks and a single. 92 pitches with one out in the fifth? Not so hot, John.

AG/DC Aug 18 2008 12:01 PM

And our heinous bails him after a very good sequence of pitches.

soupcan Aug 18 2008 12:01 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 18 2008 12:02 PM

Gwreck wrote: 92 pitches with one out in the fifth? Not so hot, John. Nevertheless - end of 5, Mets up 2-0.

Centerfield Aug 18 2008 12:01 PM

Double play. Nice.

holychicken Aug 18 2008 12:03 PM

duan wrote: i assume, because a ground ball inherently has a level of fielder's choice about it that a fly ball does not. Ah, that makes sense.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 18 2008 12:04 PM

Bucs are really coming through for us, ain;t they?

Frayed Knot Aug 18 2008 12:04 PM

PiazzaFan411 wrote: So what was the call on the whole Maine-Reyes thing. Maine out on Fielder's Choice and Reyes counted as a tag? The DP throw sailed wide, but Reyes was judged to have made a move towards 2nd and was tagged out before getting back to 1st by the catcher backing up the play.

AG/DC Aug 18 2008 12:05 PM

Evans going line to line today on the extra base tip.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 18 2008 12:07 PM

Beltran needed to put that ball in play to get the run home, not wiff!

metirish Aug 18 2008 12:08 PM

Evans has looked better lately . Poll question from a game the other night. What Player Has Had The Most Impact Since Getting Called Up After The All-star Break? 1 - Greg Jeffries 2 - Timo Perez 3 - I forget 4 Daniel Murphy I missed who the fans voted for , anyone see ?

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 12:12 PM

Stokes in for the 6th.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 18 2008 12:13 PM

Bullpen needs 12 outs with a 2-run cushion. I'm thinking we may be some Ayala-on-Pirate Action today.

AG/DC Aug 18 2008 12:13 PM

And Doumit greets thim with a leadoff single.

AG/DC Aug 18 2008 12:13 PM

Tie game. Sorry, Mainer. Sorry, Crane Pool.

Centerfield Aug 18 2008 12:14 PM

At some point we were going to pay for the runners we've failed to deliver from third base.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 18 2008 12:15 PM

Bullpen needs at least 12 outs with a no-run cushoion.

Frayed Knot Aug 18 2008 12:16 PM

]I missed who the fans voted for , anyone see ? It was Murphy by a landslide -- thus proving the short-memory theory. - Jefferies start was clearly more impressive although one could argue that that team was already winning. - Timo's splash was a much smaller sample but its timing was key. - Murphy's has been nice but not nearly as good or as long as Jeffereies and it's not like it's turned the fortunes of the team around.

bmfc1 Aug 18 2008 12:16 PM

The kid for AA doubles but the veterans in the heart of the order do nothing to get him home--of course it comes back to bite them.

Frayed Knot Aug 18 2008 12:18 PM

This bullpen needs a 12-run cushion with 2 outs to go in order to secure a win.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 18 2008 12:18 PM

Too many HRs for Stokes already, 3 in 10 innings or so.

AG/DC Aug 18 2008 12:18 PM

If it makes a difference, Maholm isn't anybody's idea of an easy assignment. Gotta keep grinding.

AG/DC Aug 18 2008 12:22 PM

No woman, no bunt.

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 12:22 PM

Tatis walks to lead off the 7th. Would be nice if Easley/Castro/Cancel (the presumptive pinch-hitter) could get something done.

KC Aug 18 2008 12:23 PM

Easley has hit into 4 DP's in 7 AB's according to Gary. That's hard to do even if you're trying.

metirish Aug 18 2008 12:25 PM

KC wrote: Easley has hit into 4 DP's in 7 AB's according to Gary. That's hard to do even if you're trying. Jeter-esque

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 18 2008 12:27 PM

Guy's got an edge

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 12:30 PM

Gameday has Stokes throwing 8 straight fastballs to Pirates PH Chris Gomez, before Gomez finally singles. It's hard to criticize when watching via gameday, but maybe -- just maybe -- a different pitch once in a while might be a good idea?

sharpie Aug 18 2008 12:36 PM

Met starters in this series, 28 innings, 1 run. Met relievers in this series (so far), 5 innings, 6 runs.

AG/DC Aug 18 2008 12:43 PM

Gameday has Murphy batting righthanded.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 18 2008 12:48 PM

Beltran needs to get a hit right here.

bmfc1 Aug 18 2008 12:51 PM

Delgado needs to get a hit right here.

OlerudOwned Aug 18 2008 12:52 PM

In comes Sean Burnett and the weird step-over delivery.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 18 2008 12:52 PM

They have to be going to a lefty specalist

metsguyinmichigan Aug 18 2008 12:55 PM

Not what we needed. Pissing this game away.

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 01:03 PM

Are any of our relievers actually capable of pitching a full inning? Or is it that Jerry is just unwilling to let them do so?

OlerudOwned Aug 18 2008 01:03 PM

Ugh. Multiple ugh. Good defense by Sanchez, at very least.

bmfc1 Aug 18 2008 01:05 PM

"Are any of our relievers actually capable of pitching a full inning?" You ain't kidding. When I saw the B-Mets last night and one reliever pitched the entire 7th and 8th AND held a one run lead, it was stunning.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 18 2008 01:05 PM

Hawkeye up with the bases loaded. Burns in Post-Op

OlerudOwned Aug 18 2008 01:06 PM

Ass.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 18 2008 01:06 PM

Jerry apparently likes to use ALL the bullpen.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 18 2008 01:06 PM

Duaner Sanchez sucks.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 18 2008 01:08 PM

I suppose it's hard to complain after a 6-game win streak. But this sucks. This game should have been won.

holychicken Aug 18 2008 01:08 PM

Ugh. Why does our BP have to suck so much?

Methead Aug 18 2008 01:08 PM

:: closes Gamecast window ::

OlerudOwned Aug 18 2008 01:09 PM

I bet the asshole who crashed into Duaner's cab is living it up somewhere right now, too.

KC Aug 18 2008 01:09 PM

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 01:14 PM

Here's what sticks in my craw right now: 1. When Jerry brought Schoeneweis into the game, he didn't double-switch. Even though the pitcher's spot was due up in the order next. And we're still carrying 3 catchers, so he could've easily lifted Castro from the game without much consequence. 2. Yet then, after removing Schoeneweis from the game (after Scott pitched well), he puts Feliciano (another lefty!) in as the next pitcher. Why couldn't Schoeneweis have stayed in the game? --- The reason this bugs me is that I am convinced that part of the bullpen problems is that he is simply having everybody get up and into the games too frequently. It's ok -- really, I swear -- to have a pitcher go a whole inning.

themetfairy Aug 18 2008 01:15 PM

I lost track of the innings and thought it was the 9th already. Although it might as well be :(

KC Aug 18 2008 01:16 PM

I know what you mean, but Jerry got ejected in like the 2nd or 3rd inning.

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 01:18 PM

True. In that case, I'm angry because he set a bad example for Sandy Alomar to follow.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 18 2008 01:18 PM

Five runs in three innings for the bully. Terrible. Was the new guy even there yet. Omar needs to make about three more moves.

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 01:20 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Five runs in three innings for the bully. Terrible. Was the new guy even there yet. Omar needs to make about three more moves. Who gets cut / sent to the minors?

bmfc1 Aug 18 2008 01:21 PM

Gwreck wrote: ="metsguyinmichigan"]Five runs in three innings for the bully. Terrible. Was the new guy even there yet. Omar needs to make about three more moves. Who gets cut / sent to the minors? Kunz.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 18 2008 01:21 PM

What will Easley do now that there's nobody on base for him to erase also?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 18 2008 01:22 PM

Of course.

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 01:22 PM

bmfc1 wrote: Kunz. He already was, to make room for Ayala.

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 01:23 PM

I would've liked to have seen Reyes hit here instead of Cancel.

bmfc1 Aug 18 2008 01:23 PM

I thought you meant for Ayala. Next? Take your pick.

Fman99 Aug 18 2008 01:24 PM

sharpie wrote: Met starters in this series, 28 innings, 1 run. Met relievers in this series (so far), 5 innings, 6 runs. That statistic is stupefying to me.

KC Aug 18 2008 01:24 PM

Tying run to the plate, everybody just snap with the three move stuff.

bmfc1 Aug 18 2008 01:25 PM

KC wrote: Tying run to the plate, everybody just snap with the three move stuff. LET'S GO METS!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 18 2008 01:25 PM

Is Argenis really going to hit here?

bmfc1 Aug 18 2008 01:25 PM

Tell me that he's PHing J for A.

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 01:26 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Is Argenis really going to hit here? Terrible. Just terrible. You have 2 outs and a shot to tie it...and you leave Jose on the bench?

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 01:27 PM

bmfc1 wrote: I thought you meant for Ayala. Next? Take your pick. Well, the question was really posed to the "Omar needs to make 3 more moves" statement.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 18 2008 01:28 PM

Argoogleeoog Reyes makes the last out. He gets more plate appearances today than any other Met. Brilliant.

Frayed Knot Aug 18 2008 01:29 PM

Pitcher's spot was in the #2 hole, J-Rey was going to PH if A-Rey got on.

Gwreck Aug 18 2008 01:32 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: Pitcher's spot was in the #2 hole, J-Rey was going to PH if A-Rey got on. Not the smartest decision by Sandy/Jerry.

metirish Aug 18 2008 01:43 PM

Alomar's a bit of a knob.

bmfc1 Aug 18 2008 01:56 PM

Jerry said that Sandy made the moves ("I was watching just like y'all").

AG/DC Aug 18 2008 01:59 PM

He's a liar. I wasn't watching.

Centerfield Aug 18 2008 02:17 PM

Deep breath. 6-1 road trip. Deep breath.

KC Aug 18 2008 02:59 PM

It would have been nice to close that run out 7-0. Atlanta, an Aug and Sept pain the ass of the past, and then Houston who they didn't exactly manhandle when they were down there in for four. The upcoming week could just plain suck as much as the last week rocked. It's gonna be one of those seasons again.

Centerfield Aug 18 2008 03:30 PM

Atlanta has been struggling. Houston sucks. I think this week will be just fine. A good time to put some distance between the Mets and Phils. After that we have a bitch of a road trip.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 18 2008 03:40 PM

F That. I feel like punching myself in the face.

KC Aug 18 2008 04:06 PM

The punch in the neck quickly came and went here. [dopebox]It goes against my grain to be a Gloomy Gus but hell if I'm going to get all shits and giggles over this team until they kick some Atlanta ass. I wanna see Rollins boo-hooing on camera, I wanna see Marlins belly up on shore. I want breathing room! Put us together another week of 6-1 and have a fun September instead of an up and down night after night of gut wrenching and close Shea with a KABOOM! [/dopebox]

holychicken Aug 18 2008 04:43 PM

I am not nearly as down about this game as most of you seem. Other than the BP sucking, as usual, the Mets have been playing some good ball lately. Great defense, great SP and good offense. Ayala responds to the change of scenery and we get Wagner back and all of a sudden we have a mediocre BP. I'll take that combo down the stretch.

AG/DC Aug 18 2008 05:48 PM

Armchair quarterback time: Assuming (for the moment) that you too saw fit to end Maine's day after five, which bullpenner do you go to first?

Nymr83 Aug 18 2008 05:52 PM

Well first I have to say that theres no way I end Maine's outing after 5 scoreless innings, even though he had walked 4 batters. But if I'm going to do it, I think Stokes is the guy to turn to there. Especially if Manuel planned on continuing to bring in multiple relievers in every 8th and 9th inning.

TransMonk Aug 18 2008 07:44 PM

Since July 1st (43 games): Starters: 18 W, 6 L, 3.02 ERA, 265.2 IP, 221 H, 32 HR, 119 BB, 214 K, 1.28 WHIP Relievers: 10 W, 9 L, 5.28 ERA, 124.1 IP, 126 H, 16 HR, 52 BB, 111 K, 1.43 WHIP

AG/DC Aug 18 2008 07:48 PM

Nymr83 wrote: Well first I have to say that theres no way I end Maine's outing after 5 scoreless innings, even though he had walked 4 batters. No, actually, you don't have to say that.