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As bad as the pen's been ...
| Frayed Knot Aug 26 2008 09:23 PM |
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Met OPS by inning:
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| Elster88 Aug 26 2008 09:43 PM |
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That's crazy. Where'd you get those stats?
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| Nymr83 Aug 26 2008 09:45 PM |
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runs are runs though, when the offense scores it scores and the pitching staff needs to do its job. what's the difference if the mets score 5 in the first or break a scoreless tie with 5 in the 7th? if anything i'd rather score early, chase the starter, and tire out their pen.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 26 2008 09:45 PM |
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He made them up obviouisly. The offense has "done its job."
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| AG/DC Aug 26 2008 09:46 PM |
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Cold comfort. Everybody got to do more and keep doing more. If we win by being a team that needs to score a lot and put the game out fo the bullpen's reach, so be it.
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| Nymr83 Aug 26 2008 09:47 PM |
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the offense has done it's job, which is to score runs.
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| Elster88 Aug 26 2008 09:49 PM |
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Sarcasm aside aren't the Mets third in the NL in runs scored?
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| Frayed Knot Aug 26 2008 09:50 PM |
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Baseball-Reference.com has everything if you look long enough.
Sure, but when they flash up those "run differential" stats -- the one where we're plus a million in the first 3 innings and minus 600,000 in the last three -- your first reaction is; 'Man the pen suxx!' ... which it certainly does. But also the offense has been so lousy late in games that we'd be minus in the late innings even if the pen didn't suck. IOW, virtually any mistakes by the pen are killers because they're never covered.
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| AG/DC Aug 26 2008 09:52 PM |
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And the offense that fails in the last third of the game can't attributed to different personnel.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 26 2008 09:53 PM |
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Even though the bench sucks ass.
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| Elster88 Aug 26 2008 09:55 PM |
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Pinch hitters maybe. We don't have Anderson hitting 25 pinch homeruns this year.
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| Frayed Knot Aug 26 2008 09:57 PM |
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Egg-Zactly!! We know our starters are better than our pen so the Runs-Against disparity early vs. late is more easily explainable. The Runs-Scored disparity, however, is, for the most part, the same guys simply not being nearly as good as they were an hour or two earlier - and against theoretically worse pitchers.
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| OlerudOwned Aug 26 2008 10:00 PM |
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It's not a fluke, either. Here's the OPS+ split by inning.
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| batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2008 10:05 PM Re: As bad as the pen's been ... |
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What is the rest of the league OPSing in the 1st inning? In the ninth inning? Teams tend to pitch their best relievers in the 9th inning. I haven't checked the OPS numbers but historically, less runs are scored in the 9th than in any other non-extra inning.
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| Elster88 Aug 26 2008 10:08 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 26 2008 10:08 PM |
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Is this the OPS+ for the inning or just straight OPS+? Cuz if it's straight OPS+, which I'm guessing it is, it won't tell us how the Mets do in the ninth compared to other teams in the ninth.
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| OlerudOwned Aug 26 2008 10:08 PM Re: As bad as the pen's been ... |
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Ahem. *nodding upward*
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| OlerudOwned Aug 26 2008 10:10 PM |
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Nope, it's the split OPS+. http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?team=NYM&year=2008#situa-innng
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| Elster88 Aug 26 2008 10:10 PM |
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Nice.
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| batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2008 10:11 PM Re: As bad as the pen's been ... |
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What kinda data ya got? Could we get some labels here?
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| OlerudOwned Aug 26 2008 10:47 PM Re: As bad as the pen's been ... |
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Recap: sOPS+ - OPS+ of this split relative to the major league OPS for this split: 100*((split OBP/ML avg. OBP of split) + (split SLG/ML avg. SLG of split) - 1) 1st inning: 126 2nd inning: 101 3rd inning: 122 4th inning: 102 5th inning: 92 6th inning: 110 7th inning: 85 8th inning: 92 9th inning: 84 Extras inn: 78 http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?team=NYM&year=2008#situa-innng
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| Nymr83 Aug 26 2008 11:20 PM |
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of course theres still 0 evidence that links scoring early instead of late to a worse win-loss record.
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| batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2008 11:53 PM Re: As bad as the pen's been ... |
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I don't understand what that data is for. Is that Mets OPS data? NL data? AL? MLB? This season? The last 21 seasons? What? Help me here.
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| AG/DC Aug 27 2008 12:11 AM |
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there's plent of evidence that the Mets have wasted more than their share of oppotunities that would have helped them win games.
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| Nymr83 Aug 27 2008 12:21 AM |
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i dont think thats true either unless you mean "every runner that gets on base should score"
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| AG/DC Aug 27 2008 12:43 AM |
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No need to quote me.
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| Nymr83 Aug 27 2008 01:19 AM |
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where am i doing that? you said "there's" (which i take to be there IS) "plenty of evidence that..."
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| OlerudOwned Aug 27 2008 10:16 AM Re: As bad as the pen's been ... |
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Mets, for this season, relative to the entire major leagues in 2008.
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| batmagadanleadoff Aug 27 2008 10:23 AM |
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I see. So does a "100" mean that the Mets are league average for that particular inning?
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| Frayed Knot Aug 27 2008 10:27 AM |
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That's the idea. And our OPS in 1st innings is (an adjusted) 26% above lg norm while our 9th is 16% below To put it all in another perspective, the Mets are scoring; 42% of their runs in innings 1 thru 3 35% in innings 4-6 and 23% in 7-9 ... while the NL as a whole (minus NYM) are scoring; 34% of their runs in innings 1-3 36% in 4-6 and 30% in innings 7-9 That 7 thru 9 is lower makes sense since winning home teams either don't bat in the 9th or only bat until they have the exact # of runs they need. But while the run production for other teams takes a dip late in the game, ours falls off the cliff.
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