IGT 08/19 BAL at NYM - Pigeons are Tougher than Orioles

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Re: IGT 08/19 BAL at NYM - Pigeons are Tougher than Orioles

Post by Edgy MD » Tue Aug 20, 2024 2:37 pm

Yeah, and players also tend to get more leeway for admiring or flipping or exuberantly celebrating on game-enders.
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Post by batmagadanleadoff » Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:03 pm

It's hard to second-guess a player in that situation. Nobody's in a better position to decide whether to swing or not than the player himself. Especially when that decision is made in the micro-second that the pitch is already en route. And perhaps, Alvarez was leaning towards taking the 3-0 pitch before it was ever thrown anyways, but when the pitch came in, suddenly decided that it was a meatball that he could crush.
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Re: IGT 08/19 BAL at NYM - Pigeons are Tougher than Orioles

Post by batmagadanleadoff » Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:18 pm

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:03 pm It's hard to second-guess a player in that situation. Nobody's in a better position to decide whether to swing or not than the player himself. Especially when that decision is made in the micro-second that the pitch is already en route. And perhaps, Alvarez was leaning towards taking the 3-0 pitch before it was ever thrown anyways, but when the pitch came in, suddenly decided that it was a meatball that he could crush.
And of course, Mendoza agreed. Otherwise, he would've sent Alvarez the "take" sign.

(Unless he did, and Alvarez ignored it).
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Re: IGT 08/19 BAL at NYM - Pigeons are Tougher than Orioles

Post by batmagadanleadoff » Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:38 pm

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:18 pm
batmagadanleadoff wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:03 pm It's hard to second-guess a player in that situation. Nobody's in a better position to decide whether to swing or not than the player himself. Especially when that decision is made in the micro-second that the pitch is already en route. And perhaps, Alvarez was leaning towards taking the 3-0 pitch before it was ever thrown anyways, but when the pitch came in, suddenly decided that it was a meatball that he could crush.
And of course, Mendoza agreed. Otherwise, he would've sent Alvarez the "take" sign.

(Unless he did, and Alvarez ignored it).
According to today's Athletic piece on the Mets, Alvarez was given the green light on that fateful 3-0 pitch.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/571117 ... -walk-off/

Also, Alvarez's health is apparently not the issue causing his current slump. According to hitting coach Eric Chavez, Alvarez had developed the bad habit of trying to pull most everything for Home Runs.
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Re: IGT 08/19 BAL at NYM - Pigeons are Tougher than Orioles

Post by Cowtipper » Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:51 pm

Frayed Knot wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2024 9:13 am As Gary mentioned several times last night re: Peterson, the WHIP (1.36) and the ERA (3.00) don't exactly match up so you wonder if he's being a wee bit fortunate. But the longer it continues the more you start to think that maybe he has a knack for it.
Garrett was very much the same way, then he fell apart.

Peterson might a house of cards, too.

I don't know, I have more faith in him now than I had in Garrett then, when he was doing well.
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Re: IGT 08/19 BAL at NYM - Pigeons are Tougher than Orioles

Post by Frayed Knot » Tue Aug 20, 2024 6:05 pm

Cowtipper wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:51 pm Garrett was very much the same way, then he fell apart.
Peterson might a house of cards, too.
I don't know, I have more faith in him now than I had in Garrett then, when he was doing well.
The trouble with using relievers as a comp is that the sample size that led you to think X in the first place was small, and then the sample size that flips the previous conclusion is small as well to the point where it's tough to tell whether it was real in the first place or fluctuations.

Peterson's BA-against is right about lg avg but with a higher walk rate which obviously accounts for an above average WHiP.
But the slugging against (this year anyway) is low [.120 IsoP; lg avg ~ .157] which makes sense for a sinker/slider type and also means fewer XBHs than normal which can certainly be a factor in depressing runs against that's beyond just luck or good timing.
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