The McDeal with McNeil: Part II
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McNevin's OPS has been under .600 — which I like to think of as The Ordóñez Line — for the last month, and now, after one SHaM game, it's up to .622.
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Fingers crossed, it's a good sign. Trading "first hallf" Jeff McNeil for "most of his career" Jeff McNeil would be bigger than any deadline deal we could make.
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Considering that his average first half exit velocity seemed to be somewhere around 22 mph, the power display last night was a nice surprise.
I didn't think he got the first one but it just kept carrying. The second was more obvious.
I didn't think he got the first one but it just kept carrying. The second was more obvious.
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He's gotta have more 95+ exit velo shots in the last two weeks than had in the last year and a half.
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I haven't been counting exit velocities, but lest it be forgotten, McNubbs really turned it on in the last seven weeks of 2023 also.
He's hopefully pulling the same act this year, only eariier and maybe punchier.
He's hopefully pulling the same act this year, only eariier and maybe punchier.
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I haven't either. Just guesstimating 95 as a dividing line between hard hit and not.
But he spent most of 2023 and a good portion of this year playing patty-cake with the bat and ball. Any hits he'd get were mostly of the seeing-eye variety.
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he hit two balls merely to the warning track at Yankee Stadium tonight. Not a great sign.Frayed Knot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:47 pm He's gotta have more 95+ exit velo shots in the last two weeks than had in the last year and a half.
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It's better than pop-ups and multiple weak ground-outs which is what we've been getting from McNeil for a long time.
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I'm not going to lament two balls that went "merely to the warning track" in a game in which the Mets hit five homeruns despite being opposed by the defending Cy Young Award winner.
If a guy goes merely 2-for-5 with two doubles, I'll sign up for that the rest of the year.
If a guy goes merely 2-for-5 with two doubles, I'll sign up for that the rest of the year.
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My insinuation is that they WERE pop-ups. Mostly a "ha ha this is Yankee Stadium that's basically the infield" way. The double was well struck, but the two flyouts were not. He hit them hard, for Jeff, but not really. Those are fly outs everywhere, pretty much every time. I'm glad he's hitting it harder, that's a good sign, but It's only a small data point. McNeil is still a huge problem that the Mets need to address, especially if guys playing over their head, like Bader and Iglesias, revert.Frayed Knot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 6:48 am It's better than pop-ups and multiple weak ground-outs which is what we've been getting from McNeil for a long time.
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McNickle has a lot of other data points.
And really, his current performance is more than a point.
And really, his current performance is more than a point.
Re: The McDeal with McNeil: Part II
McNiblet has now got his OPS up to .700, crossing the Hubie line.
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Jeff McNeil.
First Half
323 PA.
.591 OPS.
5 HR
Second Half
129 PA
.923 OPS
7 HR
His second half BA was .289. So even the good McNeil didn't quite get up above .300. In fact, he never got his average over .300 for any month in 2024.
He'll be 33 in April of 2025 and on last year of his contract, and by then 3 years removed from his batting title.
First Half
323 PA.
.591 OPS.
5 HR
Second Half
129 PA
.923 OPS
7 HR
His second half BA was .289. So even the good McNeil didn't quite get up above .300. In fact, he never got his average over .300 for any month in 2024.
He'll be 33 in April of 2025 and on last year of his contract, and by then 3 years removed from his batting title.
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Offense was way down this year. .289 was a terrific batting average for 2024 and in-line for a former batting champion. .289 would've been the 7th highest BA in the league among eligible or qualified batters.Centerfield wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 2:41 pm Jeff McNeil.
First Half
323 PA.
.591 OPS.
5 HR
Second Half
129 PA
.923 OPS
7 HR
His second half BA was .289. So even the good McNeil didn't quite get up above .300. In fact, he never got his average over .300 for any month in 2024.
He'll be 33 in April of 2025 and on last year of his contract, and by then 3 years removed from his batting title.
A .289 BA was excellent this season.
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Yeah, I have no problem with a .289 batting average in 2024, especially attached to a .923 OPS.
What that is indicative of going forward is certainly a matter of conjecture, but probably a better indicator than the same season with the splits reversed would be.
What that is indicative of going forward is certainly a matter of conjecture, but probably a better indicator than the same season with the splits reversed would be.
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He’s signed for 2 more years (2025 and 2026) plus a club option for 2027.Centerfield wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 2:41 pmHe'll be 33 in April of 2025 and on last year of his contract, and by then 3 years removed from his batting title.
He can play multiple positions and while he’s not cheap, it’s not an albatross contract either. I’m fine penciling him
in to an unspecified role, seeing where upgrades can be made, and then figuring out where he fits. I bet he can be traded but don’t see a need to actively try to get rid of him.
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Yikes. My bad. I thought I read that it was his final year. Thanks for the correction.Gwreck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 5:20 pmHe’s signed for 2 more years (2025 and 2026) plus a club option for 2027.Centerfield wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 2:41 pmHe'll be 33 in April of 2025 and on last year of his contract, and by then 3 years removed from his batting title.
He can play multiple positions and while he’s not cheap, it’s not an albatross contract either. I’m fine penciling him
in to an unspecified role, seeing where upgrades can be made, and then figuring out where he fits. I bet he can be traded but don’t see a need to actively try to get rid of him.