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Next year's free agents include, at third base, possibly Manny Machado, who can opt-out. Aaron Nola is a big time pitcher in the class, as is Yu Darvish. Shonei Ohtani will head the class. I say Steve should sign all four of them.

yeah... yikes.

i mean, it makes things look better for the giants, that's for dang sure.

if the past leg injury is really, truly a concern, here's a thought.

keep the overall parameters of the deal the same, but with a fair bit of guarantee, but also a lot of reasonably achievable vesting options.

my first idea is a framework, that i haven't put nearly enough thought into the underlying math of... six years guaranteed, and automatically vesting options whereby if he averages 100 games over the prior three seasons he locks in for the next year, and so on. if he's healthy for the duration of the deal, he gets paid in full.

alternatively, and maybe a better idea for the player... stick with the same 12-year contract, where the first six years are full rate, and the last six are reduced rate, with achievable massive bonuses for playing time.

similar situation, he gets paid a ton either way, and if he's reasonably healthy he gets paid in full. but if not, the mets would have some measure of risk mitigation in case the leg really is a big deal.

They'll shorten the term and the dollars and all will be fine. The Mets will have done what the Giants didn't which is to renegotiate the deal to make sure that they have a great player on the team.

Players (and agents even more so) don't like to agree to what/if? kind of contracts because if they age faster than expected they feel the club
will try to use any excuse to mix the remaining deal and blame the injury for the result even if unrelated to the decline. Plus, there will never
be a better time than age 29 to get a multi-year deal.

Boras and Correa (Borrea?) are denying that there even is an injury concern so they're not going to be anxious to agree to a deal with non-
guaranteed money on account of it. But, so far at least, two out of two clubs seem to think that there is a concern.

Right; it's like that Potroast song, "Two Out of Two Ain't Good."

(with apologies to the late Mr. Steinman)

Frayed Knot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:01 pm Boras and Correa (Borrea?) are denying that there even is an injury concern so they're not going to be anxious to agree to a deal with non-guaranteed money on account of it. But, so far at least, two out of two clubs seem to think that there is a concern.

The contract has been signed and I would be greatly surprised if Boras would renegotiate/modify it.
It is now between the Mets and their insurance company.

Later

Is it signed?

Someone may get fired over this

No, the deal is agreed to but is only complete conditional of a physical exam so that's where it sits now. His deal with SFG as in the same state and, when they wanted time to think about it, Boras peddled his client elsewhere. Same thing could happen here.

So it could stick or not stick

Correa had multiple Injured list stays in 2019 bue to back issues. Did not see any verbage of how severe these stints we're aside from "lower back soreness"

I wonder what Kumar Rocker's doing?

ashie62 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:41 pm So it could stick or not stick

Correa had multiple Injured list stays in 2019 bue to back issues. Did not see any verbage of how severe these stints we're aside from "lower back soreness"

But none of his recent stints on the IL were even remotely related to the leg injury they're concerned about. And that is what Boras will remind them of to finalize the deal.

Later

Yes, there have been no IL stints caused by the leg since he broke it in the minor leagues.
But that doesn't mean it can't cause future issues as he ages and that's apparently what
has caused both the Giants and now the Mets to think hard as to whether a decade-plus
year commitment is a good idea.
They may decide it is, they may want to renegotiate, they may back out altogether, or
another team may jump in while they're thinking about it as has already happened once
already.

So stayed tuned for upcoming episodes of the Carlos Correa saga.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:50 pm I wonder what Kumar Rocker's doing?

Rocker mowed them down in the Frontier League league (about the level of A ball) before getting taken #3 overall by the Texas Rangers. Though he was signed in late June, he didn't see professional action for the Rangers over the summer, debuting in the the Arizona League where he held his own against experienced opposition, but his previously excellent control was suddenly not working for him.

But you can't draw much of a conclusion from a 12-inning stint.

Rangers, huh? How about that Chris Young vision?

Frayed Knot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 3:00 pm Yes, there have been no IL stints caused by the leg since he broke it in the minor leagues.
But that doesn't mean it can't cause future issues as he ages and that's apparently what
has caused both the Giants and now the Mets to think hard as to whether a decade-plus
year commitment is a good idea.
They may decide it is, they may want to renegotiate, they may back out altogether, or
another team may jump in while they're thinking about it as has already happened once
already.

So stayed tuned for upcoming episodes of the Carlos Correa saga.

Sums it up nicely

Lotsa lawyer and Dr stuff

Jumping Jesus. Just don’t sign him to so many years. How hard is that to figure out?

All the chatter so far is that both camps want to "work through this" and get it done , curious to see what it looks like if they get it done

Jeez, I'd like to know exactly what the problem is so I can decide how to spend Uncle Steve's money.

Of course, if this leads to a restructuring for a shorter term I'm OK with that. I'm not sure what my plans will be in 2034 anyway.

Lefty Specialist wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 5:36 pm Jeez, I'd like to know exactly what the problem is so I can decide how to spend Uncle Steve's money.

Of course, if this leads to a restructuring for a shorter term I'm OK with that. I'm not sure what my plans will be in 2034 anyway.

Maybe the x-rays show that they duck taped his fibula to his tibia and forgot to remove the duck tape

whippoorwill wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 4:47 pm Jumping Jesus. Just don’t sign him to so many years. How hard is that to figure out?

That's OK, as long as you realize that taking that stance may cause him to sign elsewhere.

Life will go on

Yes it will, and maybe not signing Correa will ultimately be the better move given the MONEYBALL adage about it being easier to recover
from the player you fail to sign than it is to recover from the one you sign at the wrong price.

Theoretically this will come down to two factors: the determination of the NYM GM/medical people and whether Borrea has another fish on
the line (Boras will of course claim he does) to pivot to if and when the Mets start making noises about fewer years and/or less money.
My fear is that Cohen may want the big splash/surprise heroics of all this too much and decide to go ahead with the deal even if the advice
of his paid experts tells him otherwise. Even if his side winds up being right in the long run it still sets an uneasy precedent.

I could care less about how much Cohen spends and about precedents. If Cohen wants to for all I care, he could take the attitude of "Fuck draft picks and fuck my draft picks and take 'em all away from me if that's what you wanna do with me. I'll just go nuts on free agents every single season and if I hafta carry a $500M payroll, that's what I'll do because I can afford that in my sleep. So take away my draft picks, please. I have so much money, that I can outrun and outspend whatever penalty youse have in store for me."

He'll be 70 soon enough. He's already lived most of his life and there's no guarantee that whatever life he has left will be productive, or even sentient. He can't take his money with him when he goes so he might as well enjoy it to the hilt. That's what I'd do. I'm not him, so I'm gonna do the next best thing and that's to enjoy this sudden Mets splurge on top tier free agent talent as if his money grows on trees, while this lasts.

If I was Steve Cohen and I could've known ahead of time, the sore loser comments young Steinbrenner made right after the Mets signed Correa, I would've offered Aaron Judge twice the money the Yankees ended up paying Judge.

"You're lucky to have him off your payroll, it opens all kinds of interesting possibilities."

— Peter Brandt