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Ceetar wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:12 pm they still pissed away the overcap money

Did they fail to sign other players they drafted? I suppose one could argue that their strategy as to picks 2, 3, 4, etc. could have been different if they thought they would have more money available. That seems awfully difficult to link conclusively, though.

they drafted a guy without seeing his medicals

As the articles have clearly stated, Rocker did not voluntarily disclose medicals prior to the draft.

WITHOUT a plan in place should they not like them.

Again, it’s very clear that they had a plan in place should they not like the medicals, which is: don’t sign him and take the additional first round pick next year.

It's inarguable that they were unprepared.

Drafting/building a draft strategy around a player whose medicals are unknown is surely a debateable (questionable?) strategy.

But, assuming the team wants to do that, how exactly would the team be better prepared for a situation in which their doctors say “the medicals are a problem?”

Serious question; I’m open to being convinced. Can you explain how they should be better prepared?

There are guys out there that might sign for 1.5 million that won't sign for .5. You're trying to convince these guys NOT to go to college, not to return to college, that sort of thing. You draft a rawer player in pick 4 or 5, okay if you lose him if Rocker signs, but if not you've got this other guy that maybe you can now entice away. Most teams can't sign a 5th rounder to a million over cap or whatever, but if you're punting your first pick that you budgeted that money to, you've got that opportunity. ALL their other picks were based on the budget and expectation of their bonus requests. Budgeting that money to Rocker means they targeted other guys more likely to sign for less, or with less negotiating power.

MOST teams spent the maximum 105% of their cap money without penalty. The Mets were way under.

Ceetar wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:12 pm Even if we ignore the "humans as commodities" thing and pretend that "Let's just draft someone else next year" isn't extremely subjective, they still pissed away the overcap money, meaning they drafted a guy without seeing his medicals WITHOUT a plan in place should they not like them. They clearly weren't prepared NOT to sign him. Being surprised about it is no excuse, that's their job. See also: Sandy's quote about being surprised what pitching went for at the traded deadline (this year, previous years, you pick, he says the same thing every time. He's a grouchy old man complaining about prices these days, and it shows)

It's inarguable that they were unprepared.

Like when they picked Barco way late the year they picked Allan high, so as to provide a pivot option. VERY fair point.

Drafting someone with options is ALWAYS s risk. You hedge that risk-- and any risk regarding unknown information-- by picking 1-2 "no WAY" talents late (underclassmen, or SERIOUSLY committed HS seniors). Then if overslot high pick passes/proves otherwise problematic, you shove his pile of money down the line, and test your backups' commitments to school.

What really stinks here isn't so much the Mets behavior, but the draft itself.

I'd certainly be happy to recommend different courses of action to navigate the system, but the system itself is so unjustly rigged that it feels dirty to advise teams how to best play it. The Mets don't like what they see and don't want to make an offer. That's their right. But the real tragedy is that Rocker can't just turn around offer his services to any number of other professional organizations who might feel differently.

It's academic and speculative and largely missing the point to argue about how the Mets should have hedged their bets better. Fight the real enemy.

Edgy MD wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:49 am What really stinks here isn't so much the Mets behavior, but the draft itself.
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Fight the real enemy.

This.

duan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:07 pm

Edgy MD wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:49 am What really stinks here isn't so much the Mets behavior, but the draft itself.
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Fight the real enemy.

This.

Worthwhile opinion piece on an alternative that won't happen:
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/corollary-d ... y-forward/

I refuse to be pessimistic. Unjust structures fall every day.

Kumar Rocker to undergo Tommy John surgery later this week.

This will be the second surgery for Rocker since the 2021 draft (he also had shoulder surgery in September 2021).

Thank the Mets doctors - a very often maligned group - on this on!