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Post by smg58 » Wed Jan 08, 2025 7:49 am

I wasn't sure at the time if trading Verlander was as necessary as trading Scherzer, but we didn't miss what we gave up and there is a ton of upside still on our end.
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Post by Edgy MD » Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:49 am

Didn't he sort of demand a trade?
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Post by smg58 » Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:05 pm

Edgy MD wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:49 am Didn't he sort of demand a trade?
I know Scherzer definitely did. If Verlander did as well, I had forgotten it.
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Post by smg58 » Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:03 pm

Rosario got a year and $2M. If you're shopping for a 2B to platoon with McNeil, the market is low.
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Post by Edgy MD » Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:04 pm

Saw that coming.

And speaking of backup firstbasemen on the skids, Garrett Cooper is joining the Braves.
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Post by Frayed Knot » Tue Jan 14, 2025 6:43 am

Both Dom and Cooper played in Boston for pieces of last season. Neither were particularly successful.


I always rooted for Dom so this move is going to make that tough.
Best case scenario is if he looks good enough in the minors to force a move to another team via an opt-out or a trade.
I thought him being handed a full time job in Washington back in '23 after his big stumbles in '21 & '22 would help right his ship but he only got worse.
Still not yet 30 y/o (June) I like that he's still in there fighting.
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Post by metirish » Tue Jan 14, 2025 7:57 am

These posts got me curious, Dom career earning are over $13 million, I guess that surprised me , but he's been around a whole too
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Post by smg58 » Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:59 am

He needs Chili Davis to work with him. Nobody else could get anything out of him.
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Post by Edgy MD » Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:33 am

metirish wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 7:57 am These posts got me curious, Dom career earning are over $13 million, I guess that surprised me , but he's been around a whole too
Dom was a first-round pick, and $2.6 million of that was his signing bonus.
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Post by Johnny Lunchbucket » Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:42 am

He'll be good for a few HRs to right at MFY Stadium, and probably one of them off Diaz
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Post by Centerfield » Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:21 pm

He put up All-Star/MVP numbers for a 400 PA stretch between 2019 and 2020. That's a significant period of time. At the time he attributed much of that jump to addressing his sleep apnea. Problem is he's basically been unplayable since then. I've never seen any explanation or injury to attest that to. Just went into the tank.

A lot of our hopes and dreams in 2021 died with Dom Smith and Michael Conforto falling off a cliff.
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Post by Frayed Knot » Tue Jan 14, 2025 7:57 pm

After his good (if brief) 2020 season [993/162 OPS/OPS+, 13th in MVP voting] Dom (retroactively) claimed to have played injured for much of '21 although I don't remember the specific ailment. Some of that might have been due to outside (team) pressure but a lot, he said, was internal, that he simply felt an obligation to 'play through' whatever was bugging him but eventually realized it did him more harm than good and resolved not to make that same mistake again.

But while presumably healthy the next year, by '22 the Mets were heavily into the Alonso era meaning irregular play for Dom and mostly at unfamiliar positions even though he was the better 1B glove. That's why I thought a full time assignment in '23*, even with a declining team like the Nats, would be good for him but he simply wasn't the same hitter for whatever reason. He was one and done with Washington before splitting around 300 PA with Boston and Cincy last season.



* the 586 PAs he got with the Nats were, by far, the most of his career. That, plus the injured 2021 season, were the only ones to top 310
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Post by smg58 » Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:30 pm

An interesting move: the Bjue Jays acquired Myles Straw from the Guardians -- along with taking on $11M of the money that Straw, essentially a minor leaguer at this point, is still owed -- to also get $2M of international pool money in exchange for a PTBNL or more cash.

You have to think there's no way this deal gets made if they don't have the upper hand on getting Sasaki.
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Post by Centerfield » Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:42 pm

If they get Sasaki say goodbye to any chance of a Guerrero trade this winter. (not that I thought there was a chance of one anyway)
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Post by Benjamin Grimm » Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:43 pm

smg58 wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:30 pm An interesting move: the Bjue Jays acquired Myles Straw from the Guardians -- along with taking on $11M of the money that Straw, essentially a minor leaguer at this point, is still owed -- to also get $2M of international pool money in exchange for a PTBNL or more cash.

You have to think there's no way this deal gets made if they don't have the upper hand on getting Sasaki.
That could be. The conventional wisdom seemed to be that Sasaki preferred the West Coast, and the Padres and Dodgers meet that criteria, but the Blue Jays certainly don't.

I suspect that Toronto is still in the running because he prefers Canada to the United States. And given what's about to happen on Monday, I can definitely understand that.
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Post by MFS62 » Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:52 pm

smg58 wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:30 pm You have to think there's no way this deal gets made if they don't have the upper hand on getting Sasaki.
'Splain, please.
Is it because they will have more International money to spend?
If they already have the upper hand, why would they need more money?
Or is there another reason?

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Re: Non-NYM off-season moves

Post by smg58 » Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:12 pm

Basically I don't see how any team (especially one that's not from New York or Los Angeles) would take on $11M of the contract of somebody who spent nearly all of last season in AAA (and did poorly) just to get pool money, unless that pool money is enough to lock up somebody they think is special.

Or to put it another way, this will look really, really bad if they don't lock up Sasaki.
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Post by MFS62 » Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:44 pm

That's what I thought you meant.
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Post by Benjamin Grimm » Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:48 pm

Does this make Pete to the Mets more likely? It's one less alternative for both the player and the team.
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Post by MFS62 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:20 pm

metirish wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:44 pm

FUCK.

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Post by Frayed Knot » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:30 pm

So Santander is the same age as Pete, both had their first full season in 2019, Pete has about one more season's worth of PAs in that time (3,607 vs 3,115)
Santander has a less consistent track record although more or less the same recently. He plays the OF (not sure how well) and switch hits.
Their BAs are about the same but Pete has a 22 point lead in OBA and a 45 pt gap in SLG

Santander gets two more years than the Mets offered Pete (assuming all rumors are accurate) but settles for less per/year [approx $18/per vs $28-ish?)
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