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batmagadanleadoff wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:07 pm It's Kooz because he looks exactly like Kooz. Also, Kooz was on deck when Weis homered, thus the batting helmet.

The "butt on the right" is Agee.

Maybe it's Boswell?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:26 pm Maybe it's Boswell?

Not Boswell. But not Kooz, either. It's Rod Gaspar. Definitely!

Why is Joe DiMaggio is thr background though

metirish wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:55 am Why is Joe DiMaggio is thr background though

Knowing DiMaggio, because he was being paid to be there.

Not the Mets , but I love this picture, and it has connections

Sometimes I think that Norman Rockwell exaggerated the way the world looked, and then I see a photo like that.

Tom Seaver and his mound.

Not a bad 4

2000 , wow ,I remember it like yesterday

Was Willie right to be upset?

It's hard to say. There was a lot of drama on that play.

1) It wasn't a deep fly ball at all — even by the standards of Felix Millan, who was as slappy a hitter as there was in the league. Harrelson had no business going, but was seemingly committed to going all the way, and broke really well.

2) Joe Rudi had a very good arm. It doesn't really show up on this play that much, as his throw is on the money, but not that strong, giving Harrelson a chance that you wouldn't expect he'd have after (a) seeing that fly, and (b) knowing Rudi is no slouch.

3) Harrelson should be sliding, but instead tries to sneak past catcher Ray Fosse on the inside of the line.

4) As silly a move as this was, it seems to take Fosse by surprise, and he's forced to thrust a tag that may well have missed Harrelson's back/backside.

5) Some have speculated that Fosse was collision-shy following of his injury from being barreled over by Pete Rose in the 1970 All-Star Game. There's probably not much to this, not leastwise because Harrelson was 40 pounds or so lighter than Rose and hardly a terrifying sight coming down the line. Fosse just seems to put himself in a position to tag somebody coming in low, and Harrelson came in high.

　　5a) I guess that kind of means Harrelson and Fosse had an archenemy (Rose) in common.

6) It's fascinating and absurd, but Willie is in a better position to make the call than the ump, having come over from the on-deck circle and gotten down on one knee, carrying two bats, and nearly tripping Harrelson into oblivion as he flies across the plate. He's much too close.

7) This is no reflection on the ump's effort. The ump had has gotten down on his belly looking to call a slide play and risking injury himself trying to get right on top of things, but when Harrelson comes in running instead of sliding, Fosse has to pivot to make the tag attempt and the ump ends up a little screened. He has to pop back up on a knee and peek around Fosse's hip.

8) Mays' angle, and his instant visceral reaction, is part of what make Yogi so combative. If Willie had such a good view and was so instantly animated in his objection, there's a real good chance he was right. Also, Yogi had to interject himself to protect Willie from getting tossed.

9) The tags where guys are swiped on the ass (or not) while flying past are really hard to call. Modern replay technology has shown how often umps blow these calls, both ways. The umps are looking to call a play on the X axis and it ends up being executed on the Y axis, and they have no angle to see whether there is daylight between the glove and buttewks.

10) Gun to my head, I'd say that the throw beat the runner, but Fosse missed the tag, though I'd really rather not have that gun to my head. But you can judge for yourself.

I agree with you on point #10

Home plate was pretty crowded there

There's a video of the ensuing argument where the HP Ump tells Yogi that Harrelson was tagged on the butt.
... it's a damn joke" counters L. P. Berra


There are maybe three famous HP plays where video doesn't definitely give us the 'correct' answer:
- Jackie stealing home vs Yogi
- Harrelson/Mays/Yogi vs Oakland
- the Jeter flip

I think that Harrelson was safe and that it wasn't even a close play. Look at the video at around the 1:16-1:17 mark. Umpire Donatelli had a bad angle. His view was essentially obstructed by Fosse's body or "pitch-framed" from seeing the entire play. Mays had the better angle, as did the Mets dugout, which was on the first base side. That's why several Mets came running out to complain almost instantly.

I also don't agree that Harrelson had "no business going: especially since he beat the throw and in any event, it was a close play if you think Harrelson was out. Rudi made a good throw and Harrelson still beat it. And Harrelson had speed. He was not a slow runner.

Check out the whole game here:

Great stuff, thank you all

Great picture

How many of you went to Shea in 1981?

metirish wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:46 pm

Great picture

Left to right, Imma say ... HoJo, Ssssid, Terry Leach(?), Sisk(?), Mookie, Lynch, Orosco, Mitch, Straw, Old-coach-guy-who-is-too-short-to-be-Greg-Pavlick, Elster, Santana, Not-so-old-possible-coach-guy-who-is-tall-enough-to-be-Greg-Pavlick-but-who-knows (is it Tim Corcoran?), Barry Lyons, Jay Horwitz, Mazz, Teufel.

Memories of this one? John Sterling on the call which got me curious, John worked in Atlanta from 1982 -87, it's his birthday today

batmagadanleadoff wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:17 pm

Benjamin Grimm wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:26 pm Maybe it's Boswell?

Not Boswell. But not Kooz, either. It's Rod Gaspar. Definitely! In

"Who the hell is Ron Gaspar?"

Interesting life

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Abner

Abner left his 14 year old Huskey at home without having anyone check on it or care for it while he was away for a month. Unfortunately, the poor dog died. What an irresponsible dumb ass. Whatever time he served for animal cruelty, wasn't sufficient.

Edgy MD wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 10:49 am

metirish wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:46 pm

Great picture

Left to right, Imma say ... HoJo, Ssssid, Terry Leach(?), Sisk(?), Mookie, Lynch, Orosco, Mitch, Straw, Old-coach-guy-who-is-too-short-to-be-Greg-Pavlick, Elster, Santana, Not-so-old-possible-coach-guy-who-is-tall-enough-to-be-Greg-Pavlick-but-who-knows (is it Tim Corcoran?), Barry Lyons, Jay Horwitz, Mazz, Teufel.

How did I miss this? And isn’t that Dykstra?