What Happens in Vegas: A’s in Vegas

[vtmet7]

Pilots became the Brewers. Senators became the Twins.

I was on a quick break from work, and didn't have time to do the research...but you got my intention...kind of like when "the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor"...

[nymr83]

Of course they don't matter. The idea that fans matter to the owners is a naive and childlike notion.

I think (believe) the fans matter to the Mets new owner. And you love him.
Or you love his billions. Not sure, but who can be sure what you mean or think.

If to some degree he doesn't care, it's certainly not to point of fungible this and
fungible that and everything else negative in your speech.

I believe Uncle Steve would approve this post.

Yes, I agree -- Cohen's an exception. But otherwise, I'd say that my post mostly holds true. I mean, even NYC once lost not one but two baseball teams -- and in the same year, no less.

I think Cohen likes the fans, but I don't know that James Dolan or Woody Johnson give a shit. So I root for 3 teams only one of which is owned by a guy who gives a fuck.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I looked at the standings today for the first time in quite a while. I see that the A's are 12 and 45 with a .211 winning percentage. That projects to a final record of 34 and 128.

That would be... pretty bad.

[MFS62]

The local Las Vegas voters may soon ask why a new ballpark that only seats 30,000 will be paid for with $1.5 billion of taxpayers' money and not private money.
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2023/may/2 ... stadium-o/

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[Edgy MD]

The answer to that is that the ballpark won't be what generates money for the state and municipality. The gambling will be.

[ashie62]

There is a website dedicated to stadium deals of all types

Field of Schemes

[vtmet7]

The answer to that is that the ballpark won't be what generates money for the state and municipality. The gambling will be.

I saw something yesterday that the A's are leaning towards 4 pm starts as their default starting time...their logic: people can go to the game and then still have time to hit the casinos afterwards...

[ashie62]

I'm picturing the casinos giving away thousands of comped A's tickets with a very limited number of people actually using them

[DocTee]

I saw something yesterday that the A's are leaning towards 4 pm starts as their default starting time...their logic: people can go to the game and then still have time to hit the casinos afterwards...

lol

casinos never close

you can start a game at 11pm and there'd still be time to hit the casinos. I guess if you want to say "catch a game then catch a show" the start time matters but even a 7pm start now gets you on the strip by 10-1030

[MFS62]

The answer to that is that the ballpark won't be what generates money for the state and municipality. The gambling will be.

I saw something yesterday that the A's are leaning towards 4 pm starts as their default starting time...their logic: people can go to the game and then still have time to hit the casinos afterwards...

I read that they're starting at 4 so the fans can attend the 8PM shows at the casinos.
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[Frayed Knot]

I've long been wary of sports teams in Vegas, not because of the gambling angle (at least not solely) but because of some of the issues brought up here. Las Vegas is an
'Event' town: prize fights, Super Bowls, conventions, etc. are made for that place. It's also a transient town, I mean is anyone actually from Vegas? It's a growing city
for sure so that question is less a joke than it used to be but, still, on any given day at least half the population has got to be just visiting there from somewhere else and
are going to be gone is a couple days, something that doesn't tend to lend itself to an everyday sport like baseball which depends on the existence of a hometown crowd.
Altering your start times from the norm to play into the idea that baseball is a mere sideshow just seems to acknowledge that fact.

Now maybe if I were following hockey more closely I'd rethink all this as I haven't heard that the NHL's Golden Knights are having issues although they've also enjoyed
unprecedented success right out of the expansion gate to the point where they're currently two wins away from winning Lord Stanley's trophy which is too ridiculous for
my mind to contemplate and I'm not even Canadian. I mean, how do you feel as a Maple Leafs fan when your last SC dates back to before the elder Trudeau was
Prime Minister and now here's some team from the American desert about to win the cup in their (3rd, 4th?) year of existence, and against another sun belt team to boot?

[bmfc1]

The "Tourists Will Go To the Games" argument is specious. E.g., I'm a Jets fan (sigh). I'm hoping to go to LV this November when the Jets play the Raiders. I'll travel to see the Mets but I doubt that I would go to a summer series in LV. Maybe the ballpark will be enclosed but you have to step into the 110-degree temperature at some point.

[Benjamin Grimm]

If I end up retiring to the Vegas area, which is quite possible, I'll go see the Mets play the A's when they come to town every other year. But I doubt I'd attend any other games and I'm not going to become an A's fan.

There are people who switch their allegiances when they move to a new area. I have a childhood friend who grew up a Mets fan but then switched to the Marlins when he moved to Florida and then to the Braves when he moved to Georgia.

I don't do that.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I'd take in an A's game were I visiting for a convention. Why not?

[Frayed Knot]

I wondered about that whole fan allegiance thing as I watch clips of fans in the stands wearing their Golden Knights jerseys going mad over their team.
Who are these people? New hockey fans? Transplanted Canadians or other longtime fans who adopted the GKs upon moving to LV?
Total non-hockey fans who are riding the wave both of LV getting their first top-level professional sports team and of that team's
immediate success? Bandwagon jumpers who'll be gone at the first speed bump?

[Edgy MD]

The odd and ironic thing is that Vegas has become a real family town.

For better or worse.

[Fman99]

If I end up retiring to the Vegas area, which is quite possible, I'll go see the Mets play the A's when they come to town every other year. But I doubt I'd attend any other games and I'm not going to become an A's fan.

There are people who switch their allegiances when they move to a new area. I have a childhood friend who grew up a Mets fan but then switched to the Marlins when he moved to Florida and then to the Braves when he moved to Georgia.

I don't do that.

My uncle has done that, grew up a Yankees fan in Queens (pre 1962, so Queens was a toss up between any of the 3 NY teams back then), then became a Sox fan in the 1970s when he moved to Acton, and now an Orioles fan as he's been in Ellicott City MD since the mid 1990s. I guess if you're just a casual fan you can keep your local ties and have it be OK. It seems alien to me personally.

[Edgy MD]

I give a pass to friends who move to a new area and their kids adopt the local team. If you're a Mets fan, and you move to Pittsburgh and you become a Bucs fan because your kid is all about the Bucs, you're OK with me.

You're not as cool and as steadfast and righteous as I am, maybe, but that's OK.

[MFS62]

I think it has to do with the age at which the fan moves.(and I have no data to back it up)
It just seems logical to me that the older you are the more your fan loyalty has been ingrained in who you are. So if you move and change teams, I think less of you than if you moved as a kid and adopted your new local team.
If you stay put and the team moves, that's a different ballgame. I wonder who the A's fans will root for after they move.

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[Benjamin Grimm]

Some will stay with the A's. Some will switch to the Giants. And some will just stop following the game. If the Mets left New York I'd just drop baseball entirely. And I'm not even in New York anymore!

[stevejrogers]

If I end up retiring to the Vegas area, which is quite possible, I'll go see the Mets play the A's when they come to town every other year. But I doubt I'd attend any other games and I'm not going to become an A's fan.

There are people who switch their allegiances when they move to a new area. I have a childhood friend who grew up a Mets fan but then switched to the Marlins when he moved to Florida and then to the Braves when he moved to Georgia.

I don't do that.

My uncle has done that, grew up a Yankees fan in Queens (pre 1962, so Queens was a toss up between any of the 3 NY teams back then), then became a Sox fan in the 1970s when he moved to Acton, and now an Orioles fan as he's been in Ellicott City MD since the mid 1990s. I guess if you're just a casual fan you can keep your local ties and have it be OK. It seems alien to me personally.

Jumping on the locals bandwagon seems more logical back in eras before the information super highway went mobile.

Today it seems more like “well, we’re you much of a fan to begin with?” when you consider all the free and paid mobile apps (and even nefarious ways of getting streams without paying for services) that can help you stay informed of your team’s activities and games.

I mean I didn’t turn off my MLB app’s notifications all weekend in Houston last weekend, and knew exactly how all three Mets-Rockies games were going, much to my chagrin!

[DocTee]

I lived in the Bay Area for 15 years before moving back. My then-wife and I were and are big Mets fans. We tried to raise our daughters the same. One day, in the midst of three titles in five years, our girls came home and said they wanted to be Giants fans. And that was ok by me. In fact, after the Mets, the Giants might be my go-to-rooting interest

[ashie62]

Las Vegas legislature adjorns without vote

The have projected all home games as sellouts
KC at LV on a Tuesday even

[G-Fafif]

MLB has approved the A’s move one state east.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/m ... 602944007/

[Benjamin Grimm]

The A’s told MLB they plan to play in a revolving series of sites until they move, one MLB owner told USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred has yet to publicly address the plans. They will play games in Summerlin, Nevada, home of the A’s Triple-A team, Oracle Park in San Francisco, where the San Francisco Giants play, and perhaps also the Coliseum.

So they'll be in Oakland full time in 2024, and then potentially be a vagabond franchise for three years before they move into their permanent home in 2028.

I know it won't happen, but I'd love to see them spend one full year in Philadelphia.