Ten Mets on the Ballot (Hall of Fame 2024)

[nymr83]

Sandy Koufax got in based on ten years.

If Koufax had followed 1966 with three or four mediocre years, would that have damaged his chances?

Or (and this is what I'm thinking) is it that Koufax's ten years were a lot better than Wright's ten years?

Good one! But Koufax had that four year peak ('63-'66) which was kinda like Gooden in '84 and '85 only for twice as long. What was it that Koufax famously said about Gooden after the '85 season: "I'd rather have his future instead of my past."

Koufax probably had the greatest peak ever, at least until Pedro came along

[Edgy MD]

I'll take the Walter Johnson peak.

His peak is just harder to isolate.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Tremendous Johnson peak. For the Dead Ball era.

[metsmarathon]

[randy johnson's peak pokes it's head into the conversation]

[nymr83]

[randy johnson's peak pokes it's head into the conversation]

This was roughly at the same time as Pedro's but I would rank Pedro's slightly higher

[metirish]

Ballot # 16

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# 17

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[metirish]

Harsh ? Or he's just a wanker ?

[Frayed Knot]

I agree with him on two of those five (Puckett and Rice) ... so not strictly a wanker.
I mean, Reggie was often a wanker and for a variety of reasons. Just not necessarily this one.
That said, I have no idea what brought this topic up at this time.

[Edgy MD]

I wouldn't have voted for Rice or Puckett too, but it's 2023, they're Hall of Famers, and the world spins on.

It sure seems small to be trying to downgrade these legacies now.

[Frayed Knot]

That's pretty much what I mean.
I don't know if this is an old statement or a new one; one that was part of an ongoing discussion or answer to a direct question.
Or is it simply Reggie spouting off in a way to make himself look better by suggesting that the exclusive club he belongs to really
should be even more exclusive by downgrading the accomplishments of five guys, four of whom can no longer respond to his
statements.

[metirish]

Yeah, looking at the profile it's posted from ( Jim ) looks like he posts quotes from famous people, so this well be a very old quote, or just BS

[Edgy MD]

Funny that the only baseball shot in that Reggie Jackson collage is an image of a weak-assed baseball card cut out of the back of a Twinkies box.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

John Heyman awful. I do not understand the constant Jeter worship, and acting like Jeter not being a unanimous selection is some sort of national disgrace. There are many players, far better than Jeter, who were not unanimous selections. He's in the hall. First ballot. He won. The constant desire to put Jeter up on some pedestal is just crazy. Jeter often wasn't even the best player on his team, much less in the game.

This is no scoop: We stink at Hall of Fame voting.

It’s not just because one numbskull voter omitted Derek Jeter from his ballot, although that was especially dumb.

The real issues are bigger than that, and they aren’t going away.

Anyway, here's his ballot:

1. Adrian Beltre: With 3,166 hits, 477 home runs and impeccable defense, the one no-brainer on the ballot

2. Carlos Beltran: Postseason performance (1.021 OPS in 65 games) puts him over the top. I omitted him last year for the Astros cheating scandal and feel a little guilty about it.

3. Andruw Jones: One of the greatest defensive center fielders ever (10 straight Gold Gloves) also had 434 home runs.

4. Joe Mauer: Before the concussions, he was the best catcher in the game who happened to win three of the five batting titles ever won by catchers.

5. Chase Utley: Great defense, clutch hitting supersedes the lowish lifetime hit total (1,885) for a Hall of Famer. Sorry, Mets fans.

6. Jimmy Rollins: Great defense and real impact (Phillies all-time hit leader).

Case Utley? Jimmy Rollins? No Wagner?

[Edgy MD]

I guess I can see those two over Wagner. It's not particularly my position, but whatevs.

More in line with him, I might agree about "We stink" though I probably disagree about who "we" are and why those people stink.

I think we ought to have a more nuanced approach to defense than the binary "great" or not. Yeah, Andruw Jones won 10 Gold Gloves, but that was probably at least a few more than he should have, as we who might stink a little just accepted his "great"-ness as a constant state, when that's just not the way things work.

As for Chase Utley, the next Gold Glove he wins will be his first. The way I remember it — with scant examination of the record — was that he had a good prime with his glove, but was largely pedestrian the last nine or 10 years of his career. A strong prime, though.

Jimmy Rollins is tougher to get behind. He did have 470 steals, and that's not counting the MVP award he stole from David Wright.

[metirish]

Does Jon have a vote or is he just giving his opinion?

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

Does Jon have a vote or is he just giving his opinion?

That's a good question. The link doesn't say for sure. We'll see if he appears in the tracker.

https://nypost.com/2023/12/18/sports/ba ... fy-debate/

[metirish]

Apparently he does

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[Frayed Knot]

Of course Heyman has a vote. He's been covering baseball for decades.
The Jeter comment was really just a throw-away line in order to get to his main point about how the voters are still dealing
with the aftermath of the steroid issue -- the non-vote for Jeter was bad, but this is worse -- and aren't dealing with it in
any kind of cohesive or logical way.



And now that I defended over the Jeter comment I'm going to take him to task on the Utley one: covering for a weakness in
a hitter's resume by touting his 'clutch' hitting ability makes for a very weak argument.

[stevejrogers]

That's pretty much what I mean.
I don't know if this is an old statement or a new one; one that was part of an ongoing discussion or answer to a direct question.
Or is it simply Reggie spouting off in a way to make himself look better by suggesting that the exclusive club he belongs to really
should be even more exclusive by downgrading the accomplishments of five guys, four of whom can no longer respond to his
statements.

A little Google Fu suggests the quote in the tweet goes back
to 2012

Which is now even more of a head scratcher since Rice was inducted in 2009…and most likely it wasn’t a conversation on Andre Dawson’s merits as he got inducted the next year…

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/reg ... l-of-fame/

Oh, okay, just relaying some sort of interview piece Jackson did with Sports Illustrated around the time the linked article came out.

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[Edgy MD]

I don't think things are looking very good for K-Rod, guys.

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