Grote split
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 12:55 pm
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Grote Patch NOW!!!!
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Re: RIP Jerry Grote 1942-2024
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 1:04 pm
Very nice!
Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 2:14 pm
I'm more than a little disappointed that a Grote patch hasdn't been added to the Bud Harrelson patch on the Mets uni by now. You've got to time your death carefully, if you want it acknowledged, it appears.
Without getting into which of them was a more important figure, it seems to me that one of the automatic perks of being a Mets Hall of Fame Member would be a uniform memorial stripe or patch upon your death.
Without getting into which of them was a more important figure, it seems to me that one of the automatic perks of being a Mets Hall of Fame Member would be a uniform memorial stripe or patch upon your death.
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 2:19 pm
I find it hard to disagree with that.
Bud Harrelson certainly had a longer association with the Mets, but that doesn't diminish Grote's worthiness.
Bud Harrelson certainly had a longer association with the Mets, but that doesn't diminish Grote's worthiness.
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 2:23 pm
batmagadanleadoff wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 3:28 amI guess it's not happening. I figured that a Mets Hall of Fame player automatically gets a death patch. Wrong.batmagadanleadoff wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:44 am Wondering where they're gonna put the Jerry Grote memorial patch? There's some space on the players' butts, last I looked.
Grote is the first Mets Hall of Fame player not to get a memorial death patch. Every other Mets HOF player got a patch for at least the rest of the season. But not Tommie Agee. He got a patch, but only for one game. And it wasn't even his own patch. He shared it with Brian Coles.
Given his towering stature as a Met and that he passed away late in the season, Tom Seaver's patch was worn for the entire next season as well.
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 2:29 pm
Thank you for reposting that. I was trying to paste together Grote patch content from multiple threads and I seem to have made a meal of it.
I think there's a lot of bureaucracy when it comes to uniform changes, but obviously patches can appear shortly after a sudden and unexpected death, so it can happen quickly enough if teams are willing to jump through the hoops.
It also seems that they give an office to guys like Horwitz just so stuff like this doesn't slip through the cracks, which it appears to have done here.
I think there's a lot of bureaucracy when it comes to uniform changes, but obviously patches can appear shortly after a sudden and unexpected death, so it can happen quickly enough if teams are willing to jump through the hoops.
It also seems that they give an office to guys like Horwitz just so stuff like this doesn't slip through the cracks, which it appears to have done here.
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:48 am
Not the first HOF inductee overall though. Lindsey Nelson’s June of 1995 passing when un-commemorated in the same manners both Bob Murphy’s and Ralph Kiner’s would be, and Bill Shea’s was.batmagadanleadoff wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 2:23 pmbatmagadanleadoff wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 3:28 amI guess it's not happening. I figured that a Mets Hall of Fame player automatically gets a death patch. Wrong.batmagadanleadoff wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:44 am Wondering where they're gonna put the Jerry Grote memorial patch? There's some space on the players' butts, last I looked.
Grote is the first Mets Hall of Fame player not to get a memorial death patch. Every other Mets HOF player got a patch for at least the rest of the season. But not Tommie Agee. He got a patch, but only for one game. And it wasn't even his own patch. He shared it with Brian Coles.
Given his towering stature as a Met and that he passed away late in the season, Tom Seaver's patch was worn for the entire next season as well.
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 9:00 am
Lindsey always seemed like a deserter to me.
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 9:29 am
The patch snubbing of Lindsay Nelson and the patch brevity of Tommie Agee aside, ignoring Jerry Grote would still be a bad statement and bad precedent that is still within our power to overcome.
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 9:47 am
I'm blaming the sponsor patch. I'll bet that the deal with NY Presbyterian is that it has that sleeve exclusively all to itself. And there's no room on the other sleeve. As it is, the other sleeve looks ridiculous with the Harrelson patch sharing space with the logo patch. It's the logo patch that should have the exclusive on the sleeve. Looks like Steve Cohen needs more money.. I guess the Mets'd find space, though, if Mike Piazza or Dwight Gooden were to pass away this season.
And speaking of non player Mets HOFers, George Weiss and Johnny Murphy also never got a memorial patch or armband.
And speaking of non player Mets HOFers, George Weiss and Johnny Murphy also never got a memorial patch or armband.
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:00 am
I was just checking out the Mets HOF and was a little surprised that Yogi Berra's not inducted.batmagadanleadoff wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 9:47 am I'm blaming the sponsor patch. I'll bet that the deal with NY Presbyterian is that it has that sleeve exclusively all to itself. And there's no room on the other sleeve. As it is, the other sleeve looks ridiculous with the Harrelson patch sharing space with the logo patch. It's the logo patch that should have the exclusive on the sleeve. Looks like Steve Cohen needs more money.. I guess the Mets'd find space, though, if Mike Piazza or Dwight Gooden were to pass away this season.
And speaking of non player Mets HOFers, George Weiss and Johnny Murphy also never got a memorial patch or armband.
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:00 am
I'd rather not think in terms of the blame, when this is not a fait accompli.
Re: Grote split
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:01 am
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:04 am
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:18 am
A made-up mind is not a fait accompli. A closed window of opportunity is.
I could make up my mind to do all sorts of things. Until it is done or the opportunity has expired, it's just a flight of fancy. To me, anyhow. Minds made up change all the time.
These stupid uniforms, for instance.
I could make up my mind to do all sorts of things. Until it is done or the opportunity has expired, it's just a flight of fancy. To me, anyhow. Minds made up change all the time.
These stupid uniforms, for instance.
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:41 am
“I made up my mind, but I made it up both ways.”
— Casey Stengel
— Casey Stengel
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 11:32 am
Good quote.
Here's the Mets sleeve with the Harrelson patch. Plenty of room.
Here, using my prototype above of a Grote patch with the same dimensions, is a possible sleeve with both patches. To keep them within the width of the Mets skyline logo, they overlap slightly, which adds a poignancy, as the two players were linked as longtime teammates, defense first players, and key cogs on the same pennant-winning and championship-winning squads.
If you are willing to go a little wider than the skyline logo, you could have the corners of the patches not overlap, but just barely kissing, allowing the sleeve to bend more on the seam between the two, and creating a nice tiling effect.
Or you can position the two patches opposite each other, as cubist satellites pulled in by the gravity of the skyline-logo sun.
Here's the Mets sleeve with the Harrelson patch. Plenty of room.
Here, using my prototype above of a Grote patch with the same dimensions, is a possible sleeve with both patches. To keep them within the width of the Mets skyline logo, they overlap slightly, which adds a poignancy, as the two players were linked as longtime teammates, defense first players, and key cogs on the same pennant-winning and championship-winning squads.
If you are willing to go a little wider than the skyline logo, you could have the corners of the patches not overlap, but just barely kissing, allowing the sleeve to bend more on the seam between the two, and creating a nice tiling effect.
Or you can position the two patches opposite each other, as cubist satellites pulled in by the gravity of the skyline-logo sun.
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 11:49 am
Why no one on Roosevelt Ave has never called to ask us to
just run certain aspects of the franchise is and always will be
beyond my scope of comprehension.
just run certain aspects of the franchise is and always will be
beyond my scope of comprehension.
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 11:56 am
Along with Hodges, Payson and Stengel, they were posthumous inductees.batmagadanleadoff wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 9:47 am And speaking of non player Mets HOFers, George Weiss and Johnny Murphy also never got a memorial patch or armband.
Frank Cashen, died in 2014, inducted in 2010 though fits the category, as well as the meritorious Award Winners prior to the posthumously awarded Al Jackson.
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 12:01 pm
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:22 pm
Wow! There really isn't any more sleeve room thanks to the sponsor patch. To make room for the London Series patch, the Mets aren't wearing their skyline logo patch in the UK.
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:29 pm
I cant exactly figure it out. It kinda looks Iike there's no sponsor patch and a London patch on both sleeves.batmagadanleadoff wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:22 pm Wow! There really isn't any more sleeve room thanks to the sponsor patch. To make room for the London Series patch, the Mets aren't wearing their skyline logo patch in the UK.
But definitely no skyline patch.
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:45 pm
OK. It's a London Series patch on one sleeve and a Build Submarines patch on the other sleeve. And the Bud patch. But no skyline logo patch.batmagadanleadoff wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:29 pmI cant exactly figure it out. It kinda looks Iike there's no sponsor patch and a London patch on both sleeves.batmagadanleadoff wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:22 pm Wow! There really isn't any more sleeve room thanks to the sponsor patch. To make room for the London Series patch, the Mets aren't wearing their skyline logo patch in the UK.
But definitely no skyline patch.
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:38 pm
WTF is "Build Submarines"?
Re: Grote Patch NOW!!!!
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:44 pm
And since it's in England can I get one in yellow?