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Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:04 pm**

Good for Severino, but how is Lindor not a finalist?

Here are the 2024 Gold Glove Award finalists:

AMERICAN LEAGUE
PITCHER
Griffin Canning, Angels
Seth Lugo, Royals
Cole Ragans, Royals

CATCHER
Freddy Fermin, Royals
Cal Raleigh, Mariners
Jake Rogers, Tigers

FIRST BASE
Nathaniel Lowe, Rangers
Ryan Mountcastle, Orioles
Carlos Santana, Twins

SECOND BASE
Andrés Giménez, Guardians
Nicky Lopez, White Sox
Marcus Semien, Rangers

THIRD BASE
Alex Bregman, Astros
Ernie Clement, Blue Jays
José Ramírez, Guardians

SHORTSTOP
Brayan Rocchio, Guardians
Anthony Volpe, Yankees
Bobby Witt Jr., Royals

LEFT FIELD
Colton Cowser, Orioles
Steven Kwan, Guardians
Alex Verdugo, Yankees

CENTER FIELD
Jarren Duran, Red Sox
Jake Meyers, Astros
Daulton Varsho, Blue Jays

RIGHT FIELD
Wilyer Abreu, Red Sox
Jo Adell, Angels
Juan Soto, Yankees

UTILITY
Willi Castro, Twins
Mauricio Dubón, Astros
Dylan Moore, Mariners

NATIONAL LEAGUE
PITCHER
Chris Sale, Braves
Luis Severino, Mets
Zack Wheeler, Phillies

CATCHER
Patrick Bailey, Giants
Gabriel Moreno, D-backs
Will Smith, Dodgers

FIRST BASE
Bryce Harper, Phillies
Matt Olson, Braves
Christian Walker, D-backs

SECOND BASE
Ketel Marte, D-backs
Bryson Stott, Phillies
Brice Turang, Brewers

THIRD BASE
Nolan Arenado, Cardinals
Matt Chapman, Giants
Ryan McMahon, Rockies

SHORTSTOP
Dansby Swanson, Cubs
Ezequiel Tovar, Rockies
Masyn Winn, Cardinals

LEFT FIELD
Lourdes Gurriel Jr., D-backs
Ian Happ, Cubs
Brandon Marsh, Phillies

CENTER FIELD
Brenton Doyle, Rockies
Blake Perkins, Brewers
Jacob Young, Nationals

RIGHT FIELD
Sal Frelick, Brewers
Jake McCarthy, D-backs
Mike Yastrzemski, Giants

UTILITY
Brendan Donovan, Cardinals
Kiké Hernández, Dodgers
Jared Triolo, Pirates

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:16 pm**

Severino yes, Lindor no.

Huh.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:35 pm**

I guess Severino must be one of those picks when the voters name him based on past rep and didn't really watch him much this year.
I don't recall him making any newsreel highlight plays that might have been seen around the country.
But "best fielding pitcher" is one of those things that follow a player around. Some winners keep getting it for years (e.g.- Harvey Haddix, Jim Kaat, Greg Maddux).

As for Lindor, a shonda.
Later

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:41 pm**

Yeah, sorry, you can't tell me that he's only the fourth best defender in the NL at his position. That's some buh-lone-E

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:26 pm**

I was hoping to see Iglesias up there for utility. Maybe he got called up too late.

Lindor certainly seems like a gold glove candidate to me. He makes every routine play, makes almost all the hard plays, and makes some spectacular ones too. I just don't really know how you gauge his play against all other shortstops.

I know I haven't seen any of the finalists to enough to be able to say Lindor is definitively better, but I kinda doubt the ones who decide this have seen enough to say he isn't.

In these things, usually the superstar gets the benefit of the doubt.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:58 pm**

Lindor victim of NY bias imho

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:17 pm**

I thought the bias was east coast ? Has it flipped ?

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:22 pm**

I don't think we know enough to make conclusions about bias. I do know that the giving of the award based on reputation is something they've long since sought to curtail and have factored the available data in to the process. Rather than merely survey managers, as in the past, a complicated evaluation including managers, coaches, and data rankings provided by SABR (accounting for 25% of the tabulation) is taken into account.

I can't speak for what that SABR data includes, but The Fielding Bible ranks Luis Severino among the top defensive run savers in the National League at his position, while Lindor is much lower down among his peers (who are led by Masyn Winn, I think).

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:37 pm**

I watched this defensive highlight reel from July of this year, as Iglesias and Torrens really emerged as something more than flashes in the pan, but my real takeaway was how much of the Mets best defense was played behind Sean Manaea.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:01 pm**

Harrison Bader game here with the reputation of being a "gold glove class" defender.
He wasn't nominated, so I looked him up in baseball ref-com.
He only put up .2 DWAR this year.
Even though he wasn't nominated, I'm surprised it wasn't more.

Later

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:42 pm**

Naming Gold Glove finalists is so hokey.

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