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Griffin Canning is a Met, one year, $4.25M:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin_Canning
https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... gr01.shtml

I guess I like his upside a little more than Blackburn…but this is not the starting pitcher we are looking for.

More like a tomato can. Unkie Steve has enough of those now to make a nice gumbo

I'd better learn to like Canning. He may be a backend starter on opening day

Personally, I don't think Stearns sees value in expensive starting pitching adds

There aren't too many guys that consistently give six innings in a start and those guys, like Corbin Burnes maybe, are getting top dollar

If he had his way Stearns might be ok with 162 bullpen games

For one million more in AAV relative to Canning and Montas, the Mets could have signed Yusei Kikuchi and protected Mike Vasil from the Rule V Draft. I'm not sure I get their approach here.

The Mets are going to have to win a lot of 6-5 games with the staff they've put together so far.
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I imagine that was said a lot last year also, however.

But short-term solutions allow for long-term ones to emerge.

Edgy MD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 9:54 am I imagine that was said a lot last year also, however.

Don't imagine. I think I said it in the season prediction thread, and it worked out just fine.
So, I'll say it again and gladly be proven wrong.
I agree about your short term/ long term statement, as long as the long term solutions can be found. But they haven't been too good at developing #1 or #2 starting pitching lately, other than Peterson.

Later

I don't hate this at all. He's had a couple decent seasons in his career so he knows he can be good. He came cheap and is at a point where he needs to make good to continue his career. He's 28, a good age. From Cali and went to UCLA so you know he's a jock.

i don't hate it either. He may suck, in which case he'll be gone, or he may be a good contributor. There seems to be a tendency among some, when the Mets get a so-so player, to complain that we could have done better. Not every player can be the best player. I'm not going to judge the rotation until the end of spring training. There are more moves to be made. And still more will be made after the season starts.

MFS62 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:19 am

Edgy MD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 9:54 am I imagine that was said a lot last year also, however.

Don't imagine. I think I said it in the season prediction thread, and it worked out just fine.
So, I'll say it again and gladly be proven wrong.
I agree about your short term/ long term statement, as long as the long term solutions can be found. But they haven't been too good at developing #1 or #2 starting pitching lately, other than Peterson.

Later

I'm not sure how many starting pitchers anyone can expect to have breakthrough years in a single season. One works fine where I'm concerned.

TER-GRIFF-IC
Canning no-hits Yankees as Amazins improve to 75-12

MERV-OLOUS!
Griffin goes distance, fans 11

(This is a headline that only the over-60 crowd might get.)

GRIFFIN DONE

Pulled after giving up 10 runs in 2 innings

THE CANNING MAN CAN
Griff chews up Phillies for sweet 23rd victory

Edgy MD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:48 am I agree about your short term/ long term statement, as long as the long term solutions can be found. But they haven't been too good at developing #1 or #2 starting pitching lately, other than Peterson.

I'm not sure how many starting pitchers anyone can expect to have breakthrough years in a single season. One works fine where I'm concerned.
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I said lately, as in the past few years. Before Him, the last starters who were signed ,developed and promoted through the organization to make an impact in the rotation were Wheeler and Matz. I don't consider Megill an impact starter and certainly not "breakthrough". Even if you count him, that's 2 or 3 in the last 10-12 years.

Later

CANNING CAN'T
THE CANNING MAN CAN
CANNY CANNING CANS THE BREW CREW

I'm dying here... dying, I tell ya...

MFS62 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 3:50 pm Even if you count him, that's 2 or 3 in the last 10-12 years.

Yes, and most of that was under a different philosophy, which is very much my point. Better options with a chance to contribute over the long haul can be buried behind ill-advised multi-year commitments. Seth Lugo, for instance was driven into the bullpen to make room for Jason Vargas, which served badly.

I don't know how the past 10 or 12 years is considered grounds to indict the strategy of a management team that has been in place a single season.

Beyond that, the volume of breakthrough starters the Mets were working with 10-12 years ago is unimpeachable.

Edgy MD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 4:21 pm

MFS62 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 3:50 pm Even if you count him, that's 2 or 3 in the last 10-12 years.

Yes, that was under a different philosophy, which is very much my point. Better options with a chance to contribute over the long haul were buried behind ill-advised multi-year commitments. Seth Lugo, for instance was driven into the bullpen to make room for Jason Vargas, which served badly.

Granted. But I'd still like to see some starters move up to the majors rather than petering out at the AA or AAA level. Let's see how the new regime is at doing that.
And I promise to stop adopting them, which has seemed to put the kabosh on careers recently.
Hey, maybe it was all my fault.
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I hope I am wrong, but I am underwhelmed by this signing. I don't expect him to be anything beyond starting pitching depth and an inning eater. The Mets are going to need more than back of the rotation arms and depth. At least he comes reasonably cheap.

MFS62 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 4:26 pmHey, maybe it was all my fault.

It clearly is/was... and acknowledging that is a big big step!

2025's Adrian Houser.

Move him to the bullpen and I bet he'll do well.

Keep him in the rotation and get what you will.

Just another insurance arm.