IGT 2024-07-04, NYM@WAS, Morning Baseball in America

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Re: IGT 2024-07-04, NYM@WAS, Morning Baseball in America

Post by The Hot Corner » Thu Jul 04, 2024 7:16 pm

Frayed Knot wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:50 pm Do keep in mind as we continue to blame the bullpen for virtually each and every loss, NYM bats over the last 13 innings managed to amass a grand total of one single (3rd inning today) and two BBs (8th inning Wed, 2nd inning today). In the other ten innings they were retired 1-2-3.



[innings 6 thru 9 Wed night and all 9 today]
I understand, it is hard to fault the pitching for today's loss. You can never win if you fail to score. I am discussing my personal frustration with the way the construction and use of pitching staffs have evolved over the years. This extends far beyond the Mets, with regards to the 12-13 man pitching staffs. Yet, I don't sense (I may be wrong) that it is protecting arms (or leads).
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Re: IGT 2024-07-04, NYM@WAS, Morning Baseball in America

Post by batmagadanleadoff » Thu Jul 04, 2024 7:21 pm

Isn't evolution always for the better? Anyways , the batters Seaver faced collectively aren't like today's batters. That's also evolution.

As to some of the other posts, maybe youse should also use your 20-20 hindsight to blame Mendoza for playing Lindor: Lindor went 0 for four.
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Re: IGT 2024-07-04, NYM@WAS, Morning Baseball in America

Post by dgwphotography » Thu Jul 04, 2024 7:46 pm

The Hot Corner wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 7:12 pm
If one looks at the statistics for Tommy John surgeries now being done on teenagers due to overuse, while chasing their dreams, I believe the root of the issue is apparent, at least to me. I know that most youth leagues limit the number of innings a pitching can throw, but most talented kids now play year round, not just in the summer. Then you add the fact that the most talented youngsters often play overlapping leagues so they throw the maximum inning in not just one league, but often in two or three competing leagues. They are often damaging their arms before they are ever drafted.
Last spring (2023), I was covering a state semi-final game - one of the pitchers drew a lot of interest from the scouts (Hiro Wyatt, drafted in the third round by the Royals), and one of the scouts told me and the writer I was working with that kids in the Northeast are getting more and more interest because they don’t throw as much as the kids in the warmer states. As he said, “If they’re getting TJ surgery, we want it to happen on our watch.”
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Re: IGT 2024-07-04, NYM@WAS, Morning Baseball in America

Post by MFS62 » Thu Jul 04, 2024 9:31 pm

kcmets wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 10:02 am It's like Sunday soccer, only better!
Yabbutt, the same score as a soccer game.
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Re: IGT 2024-07-04, NYM@WAS, Morning Baseball in America

Post by Edgy MD » Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:10 am

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 7:21 pm Isn't evolution always for the better?
When it's truly evolution, perhaps. But I think we use the term to describe things that aren't really evolution, but merely change.

And yes, as I tried to express, blaming the bullpen when the team is getting shut out is but folly.
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Re: IGT 2024-07-04, NYM@WAS, Morning Baseball in America

Post by Cowtipper » Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:29 pm

Catching up on some games.

Can't fault the pitching for this one...where was the offense???
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