IECVCT January 6, 2021

[Edgy MD]

I’m sorry Greg, but this is small minded. You’re sticking with minor procedural statutes while the Constitution is being shredded. I gave you the Lincoln example yesterday. Here’s another. In the situation room at the White House during the first Iraq war, the Sec of Interior said the law required an environmental impact assessment before the President could order bombing of the Iraq oil fields. Technically true. But nonsense. Luckily, Bush got statesmanship advice and ignored that statutory requirement.

John, very respectfully, I just don’t in the end believe that there is a single Justice on the United States Supreme Court, or a single judge on any of our Courts of Appeals, who is as “broad minded” as you when it comes to the irrelevance of statutes enacted by the United States Congress, and followed without exception for more than 130 years. They cannot be set aside except when in direct conflict with the Constitution that our revered Framers handed us. And very respectfully, I don’t think that a single one of those Framers would agree with your position either. Certainly, Judge Luttig has made clear he does not. And there is no reasonable argument that the Constitution directs or empowers the Vice President to set a procedure followed for 130 years before it has even been resorted to.

Lincoln suspended the writ when the body entrusted with that authority was out of session, and submitted it to them as soon as it returned. I understand your argument that several state legislatures were out of session. But the role for state legislatures has for our entire history ended at the time that electoral certificates are submitted to Congress. Congress has debated submissions, including competing submissions. It has never once referred them out to state legislatures to decide.

I respect your heart here. I share your concerns about what Democrats will do once in power. I want election integrity fixed. But I have run down every legal trail placed before me to its conclusion, and I respectfully conclude that as a legal framework, it is a results-oriented position that you would never support if attempted by the opposition, and essentially entirely made up.

And thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege.

Greg Jacob, Esq., unsung American hero.

More from their stunning exchange.

[Edgy MD]

Leader of the Proud Boys and four lieutenants charged with seditious conspiracy.

This group marched in my home town a few weeks ago, for the second time in six months. Both times it was without a permit and with impunity. The feckless mayor said he had never heard of the group.

My hometown may or may not be turning into a hotbed of MAGA shittiness and insanity.

[MFS62]

FOX News won't be showing the Jan. 6th hearings.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bro ... 33718.html

Disgraceful.
Wouldn't be great if the FCC could pull their license because they don't serve the public?

Later

[Edgy MD]

I believe the FCC doesn't license cable programming, and has very little regulatory authority over it in general.

[Fman99]

FOX News won't be showing the Jan. 6th hearings.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bro ... 33718.html

Disgraceful.
Wouldn't be great if the FCC could pull their license because they don't serve the public?

Later

Fully unsurprised. The content will be immune to even their ridiculous spin. They'll put their own seditious twist on all of it, call it a partisan hack job, etc. etc., play to the millions of rubes and hicks in the heartland, and make their zillions as they have been.

[Ceetar]

I mean, most of them should be arrested for treason, so..

[batmagadanleadoff]

I mean, most of them should be arrested for treason, so..

Rupert Murdoch should be arrested for treason. He's probably caused more damage to the US than anybody else.

That's a disgrace that FOX wont air coverage of the hearings.

[seawolf17]

Because they're only "news" in name. They don't have to cover anything they don't want to. They're no more a news channel than Comedy Central or Lifetime is.

[kcmets]

They're no more a news channel than Comedy Central or Lifetime is.

And the same could very often be said about the likes of CNN and a few others.
But that's about the extent I'm gonna dip my big toe in on that subject here.

[Ceetar]

sure but CNN at least isn't supporting insurrection and committing treason. They've merely got the slightly right-leaning bias of most media.

But the "impartial" media shouldn't be talking about what hacks like Carlson say or cover any more than do what the Property Brothers say or talk about. (Although it seems like the Property Brothers are much better people than anyone that works at Fox)

[Benjamin Grimm]

Fun fact: Their last names aren't actually "Property".

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Fun fact: Their last names aren't actually "Property".

Fun Fact: Home Improvement TV Personalities have now surpassed lumber and oil as Canada's most valuable export

[Lefty Specialist]

By NOT covering it, Fox can easily spin it as partisan and not important. Because, by their logic, if it really was important, they'd cover it. It's a win-win. They'll also spin the ratings, as I guarantee more people will watch Tucker Carlson than Bennie Thompson. "See? Nothing to see here. Nobody cares."

[MFS62]

FOX only provides programming approved by their Ministry of Truth.

(fuckers)

Later

[Fman99]

It's all essentially known to me. And still riveting. I believe it now as much as I ever did. There are only two kinds of Republicans left in this country - one, the very slight minority of those unafraid of electoral consequences to the expression of their and our truth, and two, craven cowards who hate America.

[Ceetar]

It's all essentially known to me. And still riveting. I believe it now as much as I ever did. There are only two kinds of Republicans left in this country - one, the very slight minority of those unafraid of electoral consequences to the expression of their and our truth, and two, craven cowards who hate America.

caveat there is that 'slight minority' is merely wishing the others didn't say the quiet part out loud and are trying to politically _represent_ that they're the sane 'back to normal' republican party as if the party hasn't been the party of white supremacy for decades.

[Lefty Specialist]

This Capitol Police officer is riveting, and one tough cookie.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

The eye-opener for me... I don't think I fully understood how orchestrated the attack was, with the proud boys having breached the capitol at the site to which it was known all the stupid Trumpies would assemble at the time they did-- and of course egged on to go there by you know.

Having a wounded cop discussing slipping in blood is gonna be a tough one for the typical Trump chump to combat with counterprogramming.

And how fucking stupid and vain can you be to have an embedded documentarian with you to shoot while you meet with other racist terrorists.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

Oh and fuck Jared

[batmagadanleadoff]

Oh and fuck Jared

Did I ever tell you how much I despise this loathsome piece of shit and his count wife? (Me and like 200 million others, I hope). Was there ever a word, or even half a word, that either of these two pieces of shit ever uttered in public, that wasn't first calculated to the nth degree, and then 10 times more? You can't believe anything they say because it's all calculated, stripped of its honesty and spontaneity. She's nothing but an opportunist with zero integrity. Of course, they were against the coup all along, they now suggest. Even though they didn't do a fucking thing to dissuade her father the monster from trying to take back the Presidency by violence. She sez that she "believed " Bill Barr that there was no election fraud. Believed. Internal thoughts. Did she ever tell her scumbag father to his face that she thought he was full of shit? What a load of crap her testimony is. Like it matters that she now believes there was no election fraud. The fucking shoe designer and by that, I mean that she steals other designers designs. Just go the fuck away already. This is all bullshit. She's only trying to clean up her image because her liberal Democratic upper society New York friends are shunning her and she doesnt wanna spend the rest of her life surrounded by abortion hating religious nuts and Florida hillbillies. After spending the four years of her father's Presidency doing everything in her power to try and destroy abortion rights. What a fucking phony.

When this count typewriter eventually outlives her father, which she should, then she'll open her fucking mouth and blah, blah blah how she was against her father and his policies all along. It'll be sickening to hear. But secretly, she was hoping for the coup to succeed, because with her scumbag monster father back in power, all of the hundreds of millions of dollars he'd get to steal would eventually end up hers. She's another scumbag from that scumbag family who can never have enough money. The hundreds of millions of dollars she already had before her father was even President wasn't enough. No, she had delusional aspirations of one day being President, herself. And this country's in so much trouble that I wouldn't even rule that out, as absurd an outcome as that is.

Give me a break with this I believed Bill Barr. That's not even a crumb. I have no doubt that this count has personal first hand knowledge of things her scumbag father did and said that would put him in jail if repeated in a courtroom. When the count testifies to that, while he's still alive , then I'll be impressed.

[Lefty Specialist]

Ivanka looks like she has no soul. Those eyes are dead.


And Jared showed once again what a smarmy little bitch he is.

[MFS62]

Considering the way donnie has reacted to anyone who he thinks doesn't agree with him 100%, I'm guessing that he is on the phone right now, trying to take Ivanka out of his will.

Later

[batmagadanleadoff]

Considering the way donnie has reacted to anyone who he thinks doesn't agree with him 100%, I'm guessing that he is on the phone right now, trying to take Ivanka out of his will.

Could be. But I'd bet that she ran all of this before her father and got his approval to say what she said. It's all calculated: how much could she say without hurting her father? Like it fucking means anything that she BELIEVED Bill Barr. And the media's drooling at the count typewriter's feet. It's 2017 all over again. Ivanka's gonna save us. Oh my.

But who knows? Maybe , with all the billions Jared got from the Saudis, the count is figuring that maybe she doesn't need any more of her father's money.

[MFS62]

My biggest fear about all this is that it could all be for naught from an historical perspective.
The old saying is "the winners get to write the history books. And it looks like the deniers and apologists are winning.
The Republicans are already starting to control what children are taught and what they can read in many states. As this insidious trend continues, there won't be any place for them to learn about what really happened on Jan. 6th. It isn't just happening at the State level, but in local school boards.
And there is no clear indication that the donnie and his minions will be indicted. For anything.
In one generation, the evil of that day, the planning, execution and cover-up will be forgotten.
Future children may ask "Why did Nixon resign?" and will be able to find out an answer.
But after the whitewash of January 6th, I fear similar questions won't even be asked by future generations.
Yes, I'm a pessimist but also a realist.

Later

[Willets Point]

I share your concerns, but what has been under-reported is that in a lot of places where people are running on "anti-CRT/anti-LGBTQ" campaigns for school board (even conservative New Hampshire) the voters are rejecting them for more inclusive candidates. So there is some hope.