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The new advice comes with caveats. Even vaccinated individuals must cover their faces and physically distance when going to doctors, hospitals or long-term care facilities like nursing homes; when traveling by bus, plane, train or other modes of public transportation, or while in transportation hubs like airports and bus stations; and when in prisons, jails or homeless shelters.

In deference to local authorities, the C.D.C. said vaccinated Americans must continue to abide by existing state, local, or tribal laws and regulations, and follow local rules for businesses and workplaces. Individuals are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after the one-dose Johnson & Johnson shot or the second dose of either Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine series.

Still, the changes are likely to galvanize Americans who have become unaccustomed to appearing in public unmasked — or to seeing others do so.

“We’ve got to liberalize the restrictions so people can feel like they’re getting back to some normalcy,” Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the Biden administration’s senior adviser on the pandemic, said in an interview. “Pulling back restrictions on indoor masks is an important step in the right direction.”

“You can’t inhibit people from doing the things they want to do, which is one of the reasons they wanted to get vaccinated in the first place, because other people are not getting vaccinated,” he added.

The move could raise alarms among more cautious Americans, who may be more reluctant to engage in public activities when more people are unmasked. There is no way to know who is vaccinated and who is not, and the majority of the population is not yet fully vaccinated.

“For those who are more risk averse, you have a choice of continuing to wear it if you want to,” Dr. Fauci said.

In justifying the move, agency officials pointed to several recent studies showing that vaccines are more than 90 percent effective at preventing mild and severe disease, hospitalizations and deaths from Covid-19 in real world settings.

Among them was a study of 6,710 health care workers in Israel, including 5,517 fully vaccinated workers, that found the Pfizer vaccine was 97 percent effective at preventing symptomatic infections among the fully vaccinated, and 86 percent effective at preventing asymptomatic infections among them. (Vaccination rates in Israel are far higher than in the United States, however.)

The C.D.C also emphasized that vaccines in use have also proven effective against variants of the coronavirus that are circulating in the United States.

Fman99 wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:39 am Appointments for kids 12-15 now available in New York state. Fgirl gets shot #1 tomorrow morning.

Methead wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:51 pm

Fman99 wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:39 am Appointments for kids 12-15 now available in New York state. Fgirl gets shot #1 tomorrow morning.

My boy just got shot #1. It's the most grown-up thing he's done all year, aside from shotgunning that beer last July.

G-Fafif wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:00 pm

The new advice comes with caveats. Even vaccinated individuals must cover their faces and physically distance when going to doctors, hospitals or long-term care facilities like nursing homes; when traveling by bus, plane, train or other modes of public transportation, or while in transportation hubs like airports and bus stations; and when in prisons, jails or homeless shelters.

In deference to local authorities, the C.D.C. said vaccinated Americans must continue to abide by existing state, local, or tribal laws and regulations, and follow local rules for businesses and workplaces. Individuals are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after the one-dose Johnson & Johnson shot or the second dose of either Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine series.

The C.D.C also emphasized that vaccines in use have also proven effective against variants of the coronavirus that are circulating in the United States.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/13/heal ... dance.html

Edgy MD wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:00 pm That guidance sort of throws state and local authorities to the wolves, doesn't it? If you want to enforce stricter regs in your jurisdiction, what teeth will it have if the CDC isn't backing you up?

Willets Point wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:33 am

Edgy MD wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:00 pm That guidance sort of throws state and local authorities to the wolves, doesn't it? If you want to enforce stricter regs in your jurisdiction, what teeth will it have if the CDC isn't backing you up?

This is going to be really shitty for front-line employees in retail, restaurants, libraries, et al who are going to be on the receiving end of tsunami of abuse. Not to mention that they will be at greater risk of being exposed to the virus since the inequitable rollout of the vaccine has still made it a challenge for low-wage workers to get the jab.

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 1:12 pmBut until things really change I'm not doing any crowded events indoor or places w/o a mask

Willets Point wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:41 am The timing of this CDC announcement is bad. Remember that vaccines were only available to the general public 16+ on April 19. There's a 3-week gap between Pfizer shots and 4 weeks for Moderna. Then you're supposed to wait another 2 weeks to be fully vaccinated. So it's a 5-6 week process. Assuming someone was able to navigate the labyrinthine registration process, the earliest the average American will be fully vaccinated is May 31. And of course, most people didn't get started on Day #1. And kids 12-16 just started this week. And under-12s are not vaccinated at all. They really should've held off on this until mid-June at the earliest. But hey, I guess "bipartisanship" is important even if it means having a 6th wave this summer.

Ceetar wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 1:22 pm
well clearly 10 year olds need to contribute more to the economy if they want to be considered in public safety guidelines. #capitalism.

Ceetar wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 1:51 pm
But I know I fall on the more extreme public safety side. I'd mandate vaccines....

Willets Point wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 2:00 pm I hope masking becomes mainstream during flu season and outbreaks of things like norovirus and common colds. Not getting sick at all for the past 14 months has been really nice.

I mean if people could have the attitude: "Well, I felt a bit sick but I'm feeling up to going to work now, but I'll wear a mask just in case," that would be awesome.