IECVCT January 6, 2021

[Fman99]

They all still know it and they all still put that shit in their pockets. They are hypocrites and actively contributing to the downfall of our system of government.

I've had enough of reports of retired GOP judges, senators, etc. all telling us what everyone knows. Easy to go on the record with the truth when your salary isn't on the line.

[MFS62]

For an outlet trying hard to hide their sources, they seem to be spelling out that this is the valet they're talking about.

A person who had to clean the ketchup off the wall?
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[TransMonk]

...they are living in the past and playing to a rapidly shrinking middle who they believe wants to go "back to normal".

Normal ain't normal anymore, man.

[Lefty Specialist]

They kept quiet because they know it'll happen again and they'll be the beneficiaries. When Republicans win it's a fair electiuon. When Democrats win, it's fraud and 'irregularities'. We will see this in 2022 and especially in 2024.

Republicans standing up now in the hearings are only there because they DIDN'T blow the whistle before it happened, when it really would have mattered. Hell, even Liz Cheney knew it was coming.

[Edgy MD]

They're all welcome to keep standing up as far as I'm concerned. I'm not giving anybody awards, but I want anyone who can impugn the president and other bad actors under oath to do so, and that includes the president and other bad actors.

Let America see that the only way this ends is with convictions.

[Fman99]

He's STILL trying to overturn an election he lost 20 months ago. For fuck's sake.

[Benjamin Grimm]

What a maroon.

[kcmets]

Dude needs help and to be shipped off far far away into the sunset.

[Edgy MD]

So, please don't let anybody tell you that we ought to move on.

[kcmets]

Are you talking to me? If so, I have no idea what you're telling me. Or why.

[Edgy MD]

No I'm talking to everybudgy. A lot of folks in this world see this hearing exercise as futile at worst and a dog-and-pony show at best.

Seeing as how the overturning-the-election attempt is still going on, I would encourage any and all to tell those folks they are very wrong.

[Edgy MD]

Also, I disagree with Speaker Vos, who said, “I think we all know Donald Trump is Donald Trump. There’s very little we can do to control or predict what he will do.”

I think we can do a lot to control and predict what he will do, and this sort of fatalist fecklessness coming from political leadership is terrible.

[Ceetar]

he's one of the most fucking predictable imbeciles on the planet.

I think it's futile, but mostly because I have zero faith in them doing anything substantial about it. I think we have, and had, enough evidence to do things like invalidate all the sitting congresspeople that stood up and refused to certify the election from appearing on a ballot again for instance. It's good that more of this stuff is coming out, and all that, but it's hard not to see it as simply the Democrats campaigning on their existing merits and refusing to acknowledge they need to change.

17 members of Congress were arrested yesterday for peacefully protesting. ZERO of them were male. It should've been every fucking Democrat out there if they expect me to believe they actually care about women/voters.

[Frayed Knot]

So, by chance did the Secret Service place Rose Mary Woods in charge of preserving their text messages?

[TransMonk]

Also, I disagree with Speaker Vos, who said, “I think we all know Donald Trump is Donald Trump. There’s very little we can do to control or predict what he will do.”

I think we can do a lot to control and predict what he will do, and this sort of fatalist fecklessness coming from political leadership is terrible.

Don't feel bad. Vos is incredibly hard to EVER agree with. But I agree with you.

[Edgy MD]

One day after the last rioter had left the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, President Donald Trump’s advisers urged him to give an address to the nation to condemn the violence, demand accountability for those who had stormed the halls of Congress and declare the 2020 election to be decided.

He struggled to do it. Over the course of an hour of trying to tape the message, Trump resisted holding the rioters to account, trying to call them patriots, and refused to say the election was over, according to individuals familiar with the work of the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack.

The public could get its first glimpse of outtakes from that recording Thursday night ... .

Ho. Lee. Crap.

Cancel all baseball. I'm making the executive decision.

[Frayed Knot]

Is this really anything new though?
He's STILL contesting the election, he STILL won't turn on his loyal base, and he STILL can't get over the idea that he's a loser.
So the fact that he couldn't/wouldn't say any of that the next day is hardly a surprise.
I mean, sure, the tapes might be entertaining, but it's not like they're going to show us anything he doesn't say live somewhere
nearly every single week.

[Edgy MD]

Well, I run into people regularly who say he never violated his oath.

To see him throwing tantrums in the oval office while the staff is threatening him with the 25th amendment should be indicting and meaningful.

We need a country with the stomach to bring justice upon those who planned its overthrow. The airing of the facts matter.

[Ceetar]

the _country_ has the stomach. Just like the _country_ has the stomach to properly codify and legalize abortion,

it's _congress_ and the fascist court that's a large part of the problem. The people that can actually do something (besides literally storm the SC with hundreds of thousands of people and bring it down, as seems like our best hope sometimes) are the ones that shouldn't need to have it aired, that may have already seen it, and have known for years and years that he's committed crimes.

You're not going to convince people that defend him. He out and out bragged about walking into teenage girl locker rooms and these people make up stories about pizza places and ..hillary? I don't remember the deets of that story.

[Edgy MD]

I do.

If you think the people are all on your side but being stymied by Congress and the courts, I don't know what to tell you. The president said the same thing.

If you don't want this evidence aired, I can't imagine why.

[Ceetar]

pretty much all polls agree people are on my side. There have been articles for probably a decade now how the republicans represent a minority, and if you separate that out to actual issues, an overwhelming majority support abortion, healthcare, marriage equality, gun control, green new deal stuff ,etc..

It's well documented that the supreme court is not acting in good faith and with respect to law and precedent. OF COURSE it's the government stymying progress. People voiced their vocal displeasure repeatedly and the best we could get was Biden reluctantly DIDN'T appoint the misogynistic judge.


I don't care if they air it or not, but i want them to DO SOMETHING. It feels like they are airing it as a campaign tactic.

[Edgy MD]

If you think so many agree with you, I would ask you to find a prosecutor to indict the president and his co-conspirators.

If you don't care that the evidence is aired, you don't. I do.

[Lefty Specialist]

With the daily drip, drip, drip of new shocking evidence, I don't think this will be the last J6 hearing. Just the Secret Service knowingly obstructing justice is worth a hearing all by itself, as well as criminal charges. You listening, Merrick?

[Ceetar]

If you think so many agree with you, I would ask you to find a prosecutor to indict the president and his co-conspirators.

If you don't care that the evidence is aired, you don't. I do.

it's not think. The evidence supports it.

regardless, I don't have the power to "find a prosecutor" to indict anyone. I voted for people that are supposed to do that, they're not. They're campaigning and begging for money.

[Edgy MD]

regardless, I don't have the power to "find a prosecutor" to indict anyone.

Of course you do. We have guilty people, do we not? We have the right to speak, assemble, publish, and petition, right? We have the right to vote for or against those who who don't do their jobs to our satisfaction, and you indeed "know" you have the majority.

I voted for people that are supposed to do that, they're not. They're campaigning and begging for money.

Then we failed to vote for the right people.

And all this clear majority that agree with you has failed.

And that's why I do care that the facts are aired, to help us not fail the next time.