Donald Trump in Hot Water

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[Edgy MD]

THE STATE OF GEORGIA vs. DONALD JOHN TRUMP, et al

VIOLATION OF THE GEORGIA RICO
(RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT
ORGANIZATIONS) ACT

SOLICITATION OF VIOLATION OF OATH
BY PUBLIC OFFICER

CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT
IMPERSONATING A PUBLIC OFFICER

CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT
FORGERY 1N THE FIRST DEGREE

CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT
FALSE STATEMENTS AND WRITINGS

CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT
FILING FALSE DOCUMENTS

CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT
FORGERY IN THE FIRST DEGREE

CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT
FALSE STATEMENTS AND WRITINGS

FILING FALSE DOCUMENTS

SOLICITATION OF VIOLATION OF OATH
BY PUBLIC OFFICER

FALSE STATEMENTS AND WRITINGS

SOLICITATION OF VIOLATION OF OATH
BY PUBLIC OFFICER

FALSE STATEMENTS AND WRITINGS

Those are just the 13 charges against the former president. In all, the indictment details 41 counts against 19 co-conspirators.
• President Donald Trump, former US president
• Rudy Giuliani, lawyer for President Trump
• Mark Meadows, White House chief of staff
• John Eastman, lawyer for President Trump
• Kenneth Chesebro, lawyer supporting President Trump
• Jeffrey Clark, top Justice Department official
• Jenna Ellis, President Trump's campaign lawyer
• Robert Cheeley, lawyer who promoted fraud claims
• Mike Roman, campaign official to President Trump
• David Shafer, Georgia GOP chair and fake elector
• Shawn Still, fake GOP elector
• Stephen Lee, pastor tied to intimidation of election workers
• Harrison Floyd, leader of Black Voices for Trump
• Trevian Kutti, publicist tied to intimidation of election workers
• Sidney Powell, lawyer for President Trump's campaign
• Cathy Latham, fake GOP elector tied to Coffee County breach
• Scott Hall, tied to Coffee County election system breach
• Misty Hampton, Coffee County elections supervisor
• Ray Smith, attorney for President Trump's campaign

[Fman99]

This is my favorite one as there's no federal pardon that looms over it. I only can hope that all of the other states join in and indict him as well, as I'm sure the attempted coup in Georgia was a scripted set of steps taken in Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan etc.

It's worth noting that while he and his felonious cronies were busy trying to subvert an election that they clearly lost by millions of votes, that a thousand Americans were also dying each day from COVID while they made no comments on the situation or any attempts to alleviate the experiences of Americans suffering through months 9-12 of a global pandemic.

Fuck them.

[MFS62]

12 of his tweets will be used as evidence:
https://www.businessinsider.com/georgia ... ico-2023-8

Later

[Lefty Specialist]

Shamelessly stolen from elsewhere....

(To the music of 'Me and Julio’/Paul Simon)

When November 3rd came and made Donald a lame
Duck he called out ‘FRAUD’!
By January 6th his followers came,
And left the Capitol mauled!

It’s against the law,
It was against the law,
What the People saw,
It was against the law!

Between the 3rd and the 6th Don’s minions went forth,
To ‘fix’ the results of the election!
The methods they used the Law says were worth,
A stay in a house of detention!

So, they're on their way,
Fani, Jack and Merrick Garland,
They’re on their way,
With witnesses to juries Grand!
Goodbye Donnie, the King of Indictments!
You see, We the People saw what you did to us!
We the People know what you did to us!

Don and his minions went on to scheme,
Of selecting fake electors!
The Feds found out and sent that dream,
Right to the prosecutors!

So, they’re on their way,
Don and his minions,
They’re on their way,
To doin’ time, we don’t know where!
Goodbye Donnie, the King of Indictments!
You see, your minions told what you did to us!
So, We the People know what you did to us!

[MFS62]

Defendant Donald may apply for separation of the cases, so he can throw his lawyers under the bus and claim he did it all under advice of Counsel.
He'll let RICO Rudy drown in his hair dye.
Later

[Edgy MD]

Has someone else suggested that tactic is the way he may go?

To my thinking, defendants turning on one another would seem to be almost always a boon to the prosecution.

[Lefty Specialist]

You could say it was Arraign-y Night in Georgia.

[MFS62]

Has someone else suggested that tactic is the way he may go?

To my thinking, defendants turning on one another would seem to be almost always a boon to the prosecution.

Yes, heard it earlier today on one of the cable channels (MSNBC? CNN?) by one of the talking heads who used to be a US attorney. He said it is something he might do, but did not say if it was a good idea. They were spitballing potential defense strategies.

Later

[Centerfield]

I remain pessimistic that he will ever see a day of jail time. But one can hope.

I do think that the likes of Giuliani, Powell, Eastman have a lot to be worried about.

[whippoorwill]

My thoughts exactly

[Edgy MD]

There are consolation prizes, including the end of his political ambitions, the end of his financial empire, and enough utter and abject disgrace that he's broadly disowned by all but the most misanthropic of his supporters.

He's already publicly confessed he'd rather spend his days abroad, so I see his permanent expatriation as a possibility also.

[MFS62]

As per a recent poll, his national favorable rating is 35%
And 53% back indictments.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politi ... story.html

Later

[Fman99]

There are consolation prizes, including the end of his political ambitions, the end of his financial empire, and enough utter and abject disgrace that he's broadly disowned by all but the most misanthropic of his supporters.

He's already publicly confessed he'd rather spend his days abroad, so I see his permanent expatriation as a possibility also.

I vote for all of this stuff too. They all make America great.

[Edgy MD]

What do you think the likelihood of a Mark Meadows flip is? About 65% (including the notion that he has already flipped, but it isn't public).

I feel like Mayor Giuliani has already passed the 40% mark and is rising.

[Lefty Specialist]

Meadows has already flipped in the DC case, which is why he's not one of the unindicted co-conspirators. I imagine it won't take much in Georgia to flip him either. Once you've done it once, the second time is easier, I'd suspect.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Meadows has already flipped in the DC case, which is why he's not one of the unindicted co-conspirators. I imagine it won't take much in Georgia to flip him either. Once you've done it once, the second time is easier, I'd suspect.

Plus, if he flipped in DC, he's gonna give evidence against Trump in DC. That evidence will be admissible in Georgia, too. So if he hasn't yet flipped in Georgia, he might as well.

OE - assuming the DC evidence is relevant to the GA case.

[Edgy MD]

The former president's press conference to present "CONCLUSIVE" evidence of election fraud, that would lead to "complete EXONERATION" has been cancelled.

Not postponed. Cancelled.

The former president also announces he will not be participating in the presidential debates, because something-something make America something again.

[kcmets]

The former president's press conference to present "CONCLUSIVE" evidence of election fraud, that would lead to "complete EXONERATION" has been cancelled.

Not postponed. Cancelled.

Pussy-assed fother mucker!!

[MFS62]

The former president's press conference to present "CONCLUSIVE" evidence of election fraud, that would lead to "complete EXONERATION" has been cancelled.

Not postponed. Cancelled.

Pussy-assed fother mucker!!

He says he will be counter programming the GOP debate by having an interview with Mother Tucker Carlson, scheduled at the same time as the debate.

He is chicken. He won't face hard questions he would get from at least two of the debate participants. And since he has no shame, I doubt he can be shamed into attending the debate.

Later

[batmagadanleadoff]

How the hell does he have the GOP support that he has? The country's gone mad..Mad. Like Germany in the 1930s. 50 years after the death of this monster, he's still gonna have a huge number of fanatical followers.

[kcmets]

He says he will be counter programming the GOP debate by having an interview with Mother Tucker Carlson, scheduled at the same time as the debate.

One would have to be a complete and total douchebag to even
know where to find a Tucker Carlson interview.

[Centerfield]

I’m finding I’m feeling particularly down on the state of this country that Trump is more likely to be re-elected than convicted.

We really need to fix how people get news in this country.

[Edgy MD]

There's a lot of road ahead, and I'm aiming to fight the whole way. And hey, there's a non-zero chance that the former president gets disqualified from the ballot — including possibly the primary ballot in many states.

I see his core support becoming more entrenched, but I also see the fatigue his more mainstream supporters have been overcome by. Many of them are more scared of losing my respect than they are of Antifa and caravans from Mexico and wokiness coming and burning down their pool house.

I refuse to be optimistic, because optimism leads to complacency, but I refuse to be fatalistic either.

[Edgy MD]

And while this belongs in the politics thread, while President Biden is a pretty terrible candidate, is there any reason why he shouldn't win by the same (or greater) margin than he won by in 2020?