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Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:17 pm
by Benjamin Grimm
Let's hope this turns out to be a lengthy ongoing thread.
We'll start with Georgia...
Georgia Prosecutors Open Criminal Investigation of Trump Phone Call
The thriving New York Times wrote:ATLANTA — Prosecutors in Fulton County have initiated a criminal investigation into former President Donald J. Trump’s attempts to overturn Georgia’s election results, including a phone call he made to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in which Mr. Trump pressured him to “find” enough votes to help him reverse his loss.
On Wednesday, Fani Willis, the recently elected Democratic prosecutor in Fulton County, sent a letter to numerous officials in state government, including Mr. Raffensperger, requesting that they preserve documents related to “an investigation into attempts to influence the administration of the 2020 Georgia General Election.”
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:37 pm
by MFS62
New York is on the case(s), too: (The source is a New York Real Estate Paper)
https://therealdeal.com/2021/02/09/nys- ... -business/
The Manhattan District Attorney’s office is looking into Trump’s real estate company for possible criminal insurance and tax fraud and has increased its interviews with witnesses, Reuters reported. It has also hired forensic accountants, according to four people familiar with the probe who spoke with the publication.
Meanwhile, Attorney General Letitia James is looking into whether Trump falsely increased property values and at the end of January, a New York State Supreme Court judge ordered the Trump Organization hand over documents related to that probe.
Later
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:00 pm
by Lefty Specialist
I'd like to think he's going to do jail time, but I know it'll never happen. The water would have to get a lot hotter than this.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:36 pm
by Edgy MD
Fatalism is for the birds. Let us pursue all tyrants to the end of the earth.
Good God! Am I the only one who has seen Pump Up the Volume?!
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:37 pm
by LWFS
You HAVE to think it's going to be tough for him to get good lawyers at this point, given how he publicly undercuts his lawyers' strategic plans, then leaks about his displeasure with them, then-- y'know-- has trouble finding his wallet, re: independent contractors.
And that's BEFORE you get to all the tarnish that accrues to anyone getting near his ambit.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:32 pm
by whippoorwill
Or armpit
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:38 pm
by Fman99
Yah I hope this just goes on and on and he spends the rest of his life in a panic sweat about facing time, or, at least, he's in deep enough that he can't have a real candidacy in four years.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:42 pm
by Willets Point
I'll be satisfied if he gets nervous enough to flee the country and never gets to rehabilitate his image, but actual consequences from the judicial system would be nice too.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:46 pm
by batmagadanleadoff
I just find it hard to believe that the prosecution, wherever, can get all 12 members of the jury to convict him. Even if he shot someone on 5th Avenue in front of 25 TV cameras. There'll always be one die-hard who'd vote to acquit no matter what. But he'd probably bribe a jury member rather than risk that it comes to that.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:27 pm
by Benjamin Grimm
batmagadanleadoff wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:46 pm
I just find it hard to believe that the prosecution, wherever, can get all 12 members of the jury to convict him.
Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing. Maybe there will be hung juries and mistrials etc. that will keep him spending money (or not) on lawyers for years to come.
But you don't need a unanimous jury for civil cases, do you?
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:39 pm
by batmagadanleadoff
Benjamin Grimm wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:27 pm
batmagadanleadoff wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:46 pm
I just find it hard to believe that the prosecution, wherever, can get all 12 members of the jury to convict him.
Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing. Maybe there will be hung juries and mistrials etc. that will keep him spending money (or not) on lawyers for years to come.
But you don't need a unanimous jury for civil cases, do you?
Nope.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:15 am
by Benjamin Grimm
Democratic congressman sues Trump over role in Capitol riot
The Associated Press wrote:A Democratic congressman accused Donald Trump in a federal lawsuit on Tuesday of inciting the deadly insurrection at the U.S. Capitol and of conspiring with his lawyer and extremist groups to try to prevent the Senate from certifying the results of the presidential election he lost to Joe Biden.
The lawsuit from Mississippi’s Rep. Bennie Thompson, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, is part of an expected wave of litigation over the Jan. 6 riot and is believed to be the first filed by a member of Congress. It seeks unspecified punitive and compensatory damages.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:52 pm
by Edgy MD
No small amount of the civil and criminal vulnerability the president faces could spill out in a courthouse within the District of Columbia, where the president reacieved only 5.4% of the popular vote, and 4.09% in 2016.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:32 pm
by Lefty Specialist
Georgia will be fun, but it'll probably be fines at the very worst.
New York is where he could face time in the slammer for tax and bank fraud. Of course, he'll never actually spend a minute behind bars, being a rich white guy and all. But one can always hope.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:35 pm
by ashie62
I would be satisfied with Rudy going down.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:53 pm
by Edgy MD
His first impeachment lawyers refused to represent him again. Five of his second impeachment lawyers quit a week out. The ultimate set of suits made fools of themselves grabbing at nonexistent straws, and came dangerously close to blowing everything even though the fix was in.
His lawyers have endured abuse, humiliation, prison, and serial stiffing, and now the fix is over. I don't know if he'll see the inside of a prison, but if he doesn't, it just means the prosecution has lost heart.
Running out the clock has pretty much been his defense strategy most of his life.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:45 am
by Lefty Specialist
ashie62 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:35 pm
I would be satisfied with Rudy going down.
He will. There's too much shady stuff going on with him.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:46 pm
by Fman99
Good news out today for all of you fans of comeuppance.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:23 pm
by Lefty Specialist
Dig in, Cy and Letitia, there's enough for everybody.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:28 pm
by MFS62
And the Supreme Court Judges he pushed for have been giving him something in return - the finger.
Love it.
Later
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:12 pm
by kcmets
God knows what fun is gonna turn up forensically going through eight years of
Trump's personal and corporate tax returns.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:57 pm
by Lefty Specialist
kcmets wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:12 pm
God knows what fun is gonna turn up forensically going through eight years of
Trump's personal
and corporate tax returns.
Spoiler alert: LOTS.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:51 pm
by whippoorwill
And he’ll still be a god to some people
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:56 pm
by Double Switch
MFS62 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:28 pm
And the Supreme Court Judges he pushed for have been giving him something in return - the finger.
Love it.
Those judges belong to McConnell. Trump can hardly pick his nose, let alone SC justices. They are Mitch's judges flipping off Trump, who was Mitch's toady all along. ... and he never saw it coming.
Re: Donald Trump in Hot Water
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:30 pm
by Edgy MD
Good to see action from Double Switch, whose absence almost perfectly coincides with the lockdown.