Queen Elizabeth Has Died

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Queen Elizabeth Has Died

Post by G-Fafif » Thu Sep 08, 2022 1:34 pm

The Queen was 96.
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Post by G-Fafif » Thu Sep 08, 2022 1:36 pm

Hope for the best. Expect the Mets.
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Post by Willets Point » Thu Sep 08, 2022 1:41 pm

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Post by Chad ochoseis » Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:03 pm

RIP. I scoffed at the whole idea of the monarchy, but a British friend once noted to me that it really was useful to have a permanent, apolitical member of government who could provide non-binding advice to the politicians who walked through the revolving door to the Prime Minister's office.

I guess the British national anthem again becomes "God Save the King".
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Post by cal sharpie » Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:09 pm

I saw her when she was in San Francisco in the '80's. On a bus to work they announced that we all had to get off because the street her entourage would be going down blocked off the street the bus was on. I got off to walk the rest of the way (not too far) and watched as her limo moved past, her looking out the window and waving.
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Post by whippoorwill » Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:30 pm

Sad. She was quite a woman

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Post by Edgy MD » Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:42 pm

I checked to see if I had moved up in the line of succession. Somehow, I'm further away. :(

Congratulations to Princess Sophia Mapelli Mozzi, who now moves up to 10th in the royal line of succession, 10 days shy of her first birthday. I guess Charles also gets points for being the longest-serving royal heir.
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Post by Benjamin Grimm » Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:48 pm

Sometimes monarchs choose a new name when they're coronated.

Elizabeth's father's given name was Albert, but he chose to be crowned as George VI.

I'm kind of hoping that Charles chooses the name "Yennsy". (Or maybe Johneshwy?)
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Post by ashie62 » Thu Sep 08, 2022 3:22 pm

I will miss her

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Post by Ceetar » Thu Sep 08, 2022 4:14 pm

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:48 pm Sometimes monarchs choose a new name when they're coronated.

Elizabeth's father's given name was Albert, but he chose to be crowned as George VI.

I'm kind of hoping that Charles chooses the name "Yennsy". (Or maybe Johneshwy?)
Charles 3 i think I saw.

whatever, good riddance.

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Post by Frayed Knot » Thu Sep 08, 2022 4:45 pm

England/Great Britain's longest reigning monarch ever having passed her great-grandmother, Victoria, sometime in the last decade.. Prior to that the record might have belonged to Elizabeth I and now you're going back over four centuries.
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Post by Chad ochoseis » Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:11 pm

WaPo States that he's King Charles III, will stay that way, and officially ascended the moment Mom went off to her regal reward. I wasn't sure if he had to wait for the coronation ceremony before being able to call himself "King".

I didn't see any word on whether Camilla is "Queen", "Queen Consort", or in honor of Diana's memory, "That Tart".
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Post by Willets Point » Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:15 pm

The accession to the throne is immediate. The coronation can take some time. Elizabeth II's coronation was a full two years after her father died.
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Post by MFS62 » Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:40 pm

Ceetar wrote: Thu Sep 08, 2022 4:14 pm

I think that was in poor taste.
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Post by Ceetar » Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:42 pm

sure, they gotta sign her to a two year deal without doing a physical first right?
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Post by Edgy MD » Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:56 pm

Chad ochoseis wrote: Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:11 pmI didn't see any word on whether Camilla is "Queen", "Queen Consort", or in honor of Diana's memory, "That Tart".
She will be queen consort. For the time being, the UK will be queenless.
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Post by whippoorwill » Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:03 pm

MFS62 wrote: Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:40 pm
Ceetar wrote: Thu Sep 08, 2022 4:14 pm

I think that was in poor taste.
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Post by Edgy MD » Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:15 pm

Her reign coincided with 15 British prime ministers, 14 U.S. presidents, and seven popes. She appointed six archbishops of Canterbury.

It'd take a lot longer to figure out how much Britain's authority over their global territory has shrunk during her rule. The main absolute territorial surrender of her era remains Hong Kong. Ireland became a republic shortly before her ascension, but her reign has also been characterized by increased autonomy in the nations of the United Kingdom.

I count 27 (!!) wars and other military missions Britain led or participated in during her reign:
  • 13 wins
  • 7 losses
  • 5 stalemates/inconclusive outcomes
  • 2 ongoing
... to the extent that such outcomes can be measured.
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Post by Frayed Knot » Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:46 pm

Sometimes monarchs choose a new name when they're coronated.
Elizabeth's father's given name was Albert, but he chose to be crowned as George VI.
That was supposedly at the suggestion, in the days leading up to WWII, that Albert sounded too Germanic.
Of course the royal family WAS pretty Germanic in those days -- IIRC the book DREADNOUGHT, about Europe during WWI, opened with
the line that Queen Victoria was essentially 7/8th German -- and even moreso going back to all those other Georges in the Hanoverian
line which led up to the time of the American revolution, but I guess they figured it best not to advertise it so much.


Chad ochoseis wrote: Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:11 pm WaPo States that he's King Charles III, will stay that way
The reigns of Charlies I & II didn't go so well so the bar is set kind of low.
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Post by Ceetar » Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:48 pm

and yet he's probably the most deserving of it!
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Post by Frayed Knot » Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:54 pm

Chad ochoseis wrote: Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:03 pm RIP. I scoffed at the whole idea of the monarchy, but a British friend once noted to me that it really was useful to have a permanent, apolitical member
of government who could provide non-binding advice to the politicians who walked through the revolving door to the Prime Minister's office.
But the British people pay a pretty high price for all that, and by price I mean money. I mean, at some point I'd be asking exactly how many castles
they need while also questioning the sheer size of the bureaucracy needed to support not just the monarch but who knows how many relatives.
Other constitutional monarchies in Europe have managed to keep the symbolic royal head of state only at a vastly scaled down size.
But dem Brits do love their pageantry.
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Post by whippoorwill » Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:07 pm

Maybe it’s my British blood but I find it somehow je ne sais quoi…calming

There’s no need to turn those castles into
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Post by Edgy MD » Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:56 pm

Edgy MD wrote: Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:15 pm Her reign coincided with 15 British prime ministers, 14 U.S. presidents, and seven popes. She appointed six archbishops of Canterbury.

It'd take a lot longer to figure out how much Britain's authority over their global territory has shrunk during her rule. The main absolute territorial surrender of her era remains Hong Kong. Ireland became a republic shortly before her ascension, but her reign has also been characterized by increased autonomy in the nations of the United Kingdom.

I count 27 (!!) wars and other military missions Britain led or participated in during her reign:
  • 13 wins
  • 7 losses
  • 5 stalemates/inconclusive outcomes
  • 2 ongoing
... to the extent that such outcomes can be measured.
While I'm looking at this through a statistical lens, let me not forget — thirty Welsh corgis.
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Post by MFS62 » Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:11 pm

Edgy MD wrote: Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:56 pm While I'm looking at this through a statistical lens, let me not forget — thirty Welsh corgis.
Is there a Royal corgi counter who keeps track of that?
I'm beginning to believe the comments above about the British bureaucracy.
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Post by Lefty Specialist » Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:40 pm

I'd love to know how many heads of state she met. Must be hundreds, if not thousands.

I think it was the movie The Queen where she said to Tony Blair after he dissed her foreign policy knowledge, "I was here before you and I'll be here after you". She outlasted Boris Johnson, too, if only by a day.
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