Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

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Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

Post by A Boy Named Seo » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:33 am

Are you off? I'm not. :/
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Re: Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

Post by Chad ochoseis » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:46 am

Nope.

New Years
MLK
Memorial Day
Juneteenth
July 4
Labor Day
Thanksgiving Thursday & Friday
Xmas

One cultural day to use as one wants.

Don't know too many places other than schools that still close for Columbus/Indigenous Peoples Day
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Re: Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

Post by MFS62 » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:52 am

Working.
Chad's list seems like ours.
I'd copy it, but it was sent as a fucking pdf.
You get a feel that the holiday is declining in importance when your sanitation company is working.

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Re: Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

Post by Johnny Lunchbucket » Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:06 pm

workin
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Re: Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

Post by metirish » Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:52 pm

I'm off
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Re: Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

Post by Benjamin Grimm » Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:03 pm

Working. I think it's been more than thirty years since I worked for a company that closed on Columbus Day.
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Re: Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

Post by cal sharpie » Mon Oct 09, 2023 3:14 pm

Working. I was part of a merger in 2013 and that year the company we merged with had Columbus Day off so we did too. It was a beautiful fall day that year and it was pretty great having that day off.

We do close the week between Christmas and New Years but otherwise have the same list as everyone else.
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Re: Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

Post by Lefty Specialist » Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:13 pm

Off. But I think a lot of places sacrificed Columbus Day in favor of Juneteenth.
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Post by Frayed Knot » Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:56 pm

Until seeing this thread I didn't even realize it was Columbus/I.P. Day

iow, I worked today
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Post by Fman99 » Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:52 pm

Wife and kids all had the day off so I took it and we drove down yesterday to Goshen to hit Legoland with my brother and his family. Drove home today
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Post by DocTee » Tue Oct 10, 2023 9:37 am

Was off. And the postal service was too, so there's that.
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Re: Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

Post by whippoorwill » Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:39 pm

I would have worked but I was off sick
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Post by whippoorwill » Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:40 pm

I would have worked but I was off sick

Fman how was Legoland?
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Post by Fman99 » Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:03 am

whippoorwill wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:40 pm I would have worked but I was off sick

Fman how was Legoland?
It was more fun for my nephews (age 8 & 5) than my own kids. They kind of cater to the littler kid crowd. We had a fun time though. Good to spend time with family
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Post by whippoorwill » Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:11 pm

Aw! My grandkids would love it!

So would my son :)
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Re: Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

Post by nymr83 » Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:24 pm

I think Columbus Day was pretty much cancel cultured, though it was really only a holiday in the northeast to begin with. School was closed when I was growing up in NY. it's been 'replaced' in a sense on the calendar of company holidays by various things in different places.
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Re: Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

Post by Frayed Knot » Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:43 pm

The holiday was created by FDR so as to curry favor with the first generation of recent immigrant Italians and their native born offspring.
There was no nation of Italy in C.C.'s time (he would have identified as Genovese) and, of course, he sailed under a Spanish flag. Nor did he ever set foot on present day U.S. soil.

But his voyage(s) was a major force ushering in the age of exploration which led to the creation of this country and to hang many of the future sins against the indigenous populations on a ship captain is beyond ridiculous.
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Post by Edgy MD » Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:27 pm

Well, he was more than a ship captain.

And as you note, something less than an Italian.
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Re: Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

Post by kcmets » Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:45 pm

In 1492 'Columbus sailed the ocean blue' would make a great
opening line to a punk rock song.
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Re: Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

Post by A Boy Named Seo » Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:47 am

Frayed Knot wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:43 pm The holiday was created by FDR so as to curry favor with the first generation of recent immigrant Italians and their native born offspring.
There was no nation of Italy in C.C.'s time (he would have identified as Genovese) and, of course, he sailed under a Spanish flag. Nor did he ever set foot on present day U.S. soil.

But his voyage(s) was a major force ushering in the age of exploration which led to the creation of this country and to hang many of the future sins against the indigenous populations on a ship captain is beyond ridiculous.
Why future sins? So many of the people who were there when Columbus showed up were murdered, raped, tortured and enslaved under his direction.
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Re: Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

Post by Frayed Knot » Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:22 pm

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:47 am Why future sins?
'Future sins' meaning the ones committed by this country's government against Indian populations in the form of broken treaties and false promises
of of taking care of them under the reservation system that was set up by the federal government. None of those were the fault of an Admiral for
Spain who died nearly 300 years before this country was even this country.


So many of the people who were there when Columbus showed up were murdered, raped, tortured and enslaved under his direction.
Some of that came under his watch as he was a much better sea captain than he was an administrator. But a lot of it came under various appointed
'Governors' appointed to run things while he was off exploring elsewhere. Some of those Governors were appointed by him but others were assigned
by the powers in Spain who, rather than being loyal to him, were entirely hostile (he had plenty of European enemies, most notably those with access
to the throne who objected to this foreign hired hand).
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Re: Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

Post by A Boy Named Seo » Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:28 pm

Frayed Knot wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 9:22 pm
A Boy Named Seo wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:47 am Why future sins?
'Future sins' meaning the ones committed by this country's government against Indian populations in the form of broken treaties and false promises
of of taking care of them under the reservation system that was set up by the federal government. None of those were the fault of an Admiral for
Spain who died nearly 300 years before this country was even this country.


So many of the people who were there when Columbus showed up were murdered, raped, tortured and enslaved under his direction.
Some of that came under his watch as he was a much better sea captain than he was an administrator. But a lot of it came under various appointed
'Governors' appointed to run things while he was off exploring elsewhere. Some of those Governors were appointed by him but others were assigned
by the powers in Spain who, rather than being loyal to him, were entirely hostile (he had plenty of European enemies, most notably those with access
to the throne who objected to this foreign hired hand).
Some of it and a lot of it. I guess he’s clean then. How bout some statues and a bank holiday?


Edit: I clearly disagree with you on this stuff, but sorry for gettin a little spicy, FK. Being from NM, I have a lifetime of Conquistador fatigue in me.
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Post by Frayed Knot » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:00 pm

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:28 pm Some of it and a lot of it. I guess he’s clean then. How bout some statues and a bank holiday?
I've always been quite indifferent to a holiday in his honor and mainly was a bit perplexed growing up by his status as an American hero.
Much of that was apparently an early 20th century thing as it seems that a certain pct of 'Native' Americans -- meaning the WASP-ish
clans who were the dominant force in this country at that time -- seemed to have hit upon the idea of holding him up as a kind of
pre-founding father even though, as talked about, he never set foot on future U.S.A. soil and the only non-island he lit upon was present
day Venezuela and even then just briefly during his fourth and final voyage. Then, on top of that, some of the late-19th/early-20th
century immigrants, even non-Italian ones such as eastern European Jews (there's a school of thought that his mother was a converted
Jew which in Spain at the time of course meant forced conversion) approved of him specifically because he was, like them, distinctly
NOT Anglo-Saxon, so he was getting praise from all sides. Then came the FDR-approved holiday to satisfy newly arrived Italian-
Americans (because he recognized a growing voting bloc when he saw one) and it was off to the races particularly in heavily ethnic
New York and the surrounding northeast section of the country.

As far as statues, I think localities should decide what they want to do about whatever they've got laying around. And if Columbus,
Ohio, the largest city in the country named for him, wants to turn their back on the holiday itself (as they have) it seems to me that
they ought to go whole hog and change the name of their town.



Edit: I clearly disagree with you on this stuff, but sorry for gettin a little spicy, FK. Being from NM, I have a lifetime of Conquistador fatigue in me.
I'm not even sure we're disagreeing on very much. Some of the actions were clearly under his watch, others were clearly not, others
still are unknown and probably unknowable. I don't defend him to any degree other than to say that I'm much more concerned with
what this country, as a country claiming to be much better, did to native populations above what occurred as the result of clashes
of cultures between small groups 300+ years before the country even existed. Then there's the newer view of him which, because
he was first, turns him into a kind of alpha-evil figure laying all of what happened afterward squarely on him, as if none of this
would have happened if not for THAT guy. That, I think, can get as over the top as was the earlier view where he was seen as the
reason this wonderful country got started in the first place.
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Re: Work Check: Indigenous Peoples' Day

Post by MFS62 » Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:48 am

In a real shocker, it was just revealed that Buffy Sainte-Marie was NOT indigenous.
Late last year, CBC received a tip that Sainte-Marie is not of Cree ancestry but, in fact, has European roots. She is the latest high-profile public figure whose ancestry story has been contradicted by genealogical documentation, including her own birth certificate, historical research and personal accounts — the latest chapter in the complex and growing debate around Indigenous identity in Canada.
https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/fea ... inte-marie

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Post by MFS62 » Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:48 am

Native American History Month.
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