Mets hire Mendoza

[metirish]

Is that the same Mark Healey who used to post here ? IIRC he didn't like being questioned on anything

[A Boy Named Seo]

"Next question ... you in the back?"

"Yes, hi. Edgy MD, Crane Pool Companion?"

"No need for formalities, Mr. MD. You have a question?"

"Yes. Who the fuck is Ben Yoel?"

"Perhaps I should clarify with regard to formalities. Let's still try and maintain some decorum, this being a professional, public forum and all."

"I'm sorry. Who the fuck is Ben Yoel, Sir?"

Can't you see he has a blue checkmark?!?

[MFS62]

My question from the back of the room:
"Does this hiring mean that the Mets will be able to hit with runners in scoring position?"

"Next question".

Later

[metirish]

[stevejrogers]

I don't care about the Yankees. Nor do I think the Mets "relied" on the Yankees in any meaningful way when they hired Buck Showalter, for instance.

It's a factual question, and not particularly concerned with how much you care or don't care about it.

I find it very odd, damned peculiar in fact, that the Mets have hired so many former Yankees managers, coaches, players to manage their team over the decades, especially considering the animosity that has consistently existed between the teams' fans. It's almost an admission of the Mets' inferiority to the Yankees, a confession that they would, to paraphrase Willie Randolph, like to export the Yankees' winning ways to their sad losing franchise. Just as a matter of policy, I'd rather they had far fewer ex-Yankees managing the Mets rather than far more than you might expect.

Have the Yankees ever hired a former Mets' manager, coach, or player to manage their team? Probably once or twice, which would merely be what the odds would dictate, given the number of major league teams. I'd prefer a policy that promotes former Mets, and former ex-other MLB teams, before hiring so extensively managers with a Yankee pedigree. Maybe that's just me.

Dallas Green (player), TECHNICALLY (as in place of previous coaching and managerial employment) Yogi Berra, Joe Torre (both player and manager), TECHNICALLY (as in place of previous coaching and managerial employment) Mel Stottlemyre, Don Zimmer (player, also an ex-Red Sox skipper), Lee Mazzilli…

[ashie62]

Carlos Mendoza is introduced and seems like a decent guy

Saying the right things about culture and preparation

Personally, I feel most managers these days are pulled from a cookie cutter and report to the analytics guys on day one

[roger_that]

I don't care about the Yankees. Nor do I think the Mets "relied" on the Yankees in any meaningful way when they hired Buck Showalter, for instance.

It's a factual question, and not particularly concerned with how much you care or don't care about it.

I find it very odd, damned peculiar in fact, that the Mets have hired so many former Yankees managers, coaches, players to manage their team over the decades, especially considering the animosity that has consistently existed between the teams' fans. It's almost an admission of the Mets' inferiority to the Yankees, a confession that they would, to paraphrase Willie Randolph, like to export the Yankees' winning ways to their sad losing franchise. Just as a matter of policy, I'd rather they had far fewer ex-Yankees managing the Mets rather than far more than you might expect.

Have the Yankees ever hired a former Mets' manager, coach, or player to manage their team? Probably once or twice, which would merely be what the odds would dictate, given the number of major league teams. I'd prefer a policy that promotes former Mets, and former ex-other MLB teams, before hiring so extensively managers with a Yankee pedigree. Maybe that's just me.

Dallas Green (player), TECHNICALLY (as in place of previous coaching and managerial employment) Yogi Berra, Joe Torre (both player and manager), TECHNICALLY (as in place of previous coaching and managerial employment) Mel Stottlemyre, Don Zimmer (player, also an ex-Red Sox skipper), Lee Mazzilli…

That's good. Thanks for the work.

Yogi kinda cancels himself out, since he's on both lists, as does Green, as both managed the Yankees first, though Clueless Joe is the most prominent counter-example. Green and Zimmer were the briefest of Mets, and Zimmer never managed the Yankees. Mazzilli never managed the Yankees. So you've got Joe as your only Yankee manager who had previously played (fairly briefly) for the Mets and had also managed them before managing the Yankees.

On the other side, you've got Stengel, perhaps the most famous Yankee manager of all, Yogi (who kinda cancels himself out, as stated, but I think is far more famous as a longterm Yankee player, coach and manager than as a Met, but okay), and Green (also cancels himself out, a brief Mets player and a Yankee manager before taking the Mets' job), Randolph, Showalter, and now Mendoza. By my count that's six ex-Yankees who became Mets' managers (counting Yogi and Green), and three ex-Mets (counting Yogi and Green) who became Yankee managers.

Or four and one, not counting Yogi and Green.

Of the five Mets' managers who've gotten us to the World Series, only one (Yogi) has any Yankee taint to him--Gil, Davey, Bobby V., and Terry C. never wore a single pinstripe in their lives. And of the two who've won a Series, neither has a whiff of the Bronx. We do very well hiring from outside the Steinbrenner training camp.

[Edgy MD]

Carlos Mendoza never played for the Yankees and never managed the Yankees.

You are retrofitting your logic to suit your conclusion, so much so that you had to be reminded that Joe Torre managed the Yankees after the Mets.

[metirish]

Mets Twitter is abuzz after Mendoza mentioned how much he respects Willie Randolph, now a rumor has started that he might be under consideration for bench coach

[batmagadanleadoff]

As what? As a second baseman? Or as a manager? Hope it's the former and not the latter.

[batmagadanleadoff]

You are retrofitting your logic to suit your conclusion, so much so that you had to be reminded that Joe Torre managed the Yankees after the Mets.

It's moronic. So much taint managing for an org that hasn't had a losing season in more than three decades. /rollseyes

[roger_that]

This seems better sourced:

[batmagadanleadoff]

Casey Stengel had the best managerial run in baseball history managing the Yankees and then the worst ever as the Mets manager. Not that Stengel's Mets stint should be judged based on his on-the-field accomplishments. Same for Joe Torre: one of the best managerial runs ever as Yankee manager and a dreadful run as manager of the Mets.

Some Yankee taint.

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

I don't know if his story behind his uniform number is true. But it was funny.

[stevejrogers]

Casey Stengel had the best managerial run in baseball history managing the Yankees and then the worst ever as the Mets manager. Not that Stengel's Mets stint should be judged based on his on-the-field accomplishments. Same for Joe Torre: one of the best managerial runs ever as Yankee manager and a dreadful run as manager of the Mets.

Some Yankee taint.

Never mind the fact that Buck Showalter has still yet to pilot his team to a League Pennant (though the Rangers and Orioles ended his “rep” of being the guy to hire before you bring in your Series winning manager), as well as still having a strong reputation of being a borderline HOF skipper, despite what his naysayers say.

He doesn’t fit the mold of “All-Time Great Reputation Because He Wore The Pinstripes” that one would think would cause a team to hire an ex-MFY as their manager.

[stevejrogers]

I find it very odd, damned peculiar in fact, that the Mets have hired so many former Yankees managers, coaches, players to manage their team over the decades, especially considering the animosity that has consistently existed between the teams' fans. It's almost an admission of the Mets' inferiority to the Yankees, a confession that they would, to paraphrase Willie Randolph, like to export the Yankees' winning ways to their sad losing franchise. Just as a matter of policy, I'd rather they had far fewer ex-Yankees managing the Mets rather than far more than you might expect.

Of the five Mets' managers who've gotten us to the World Series, only one (Yogi) has any Yankee taint to him--Gil, Davey, Bobby V., and Terry C. never wore a single pinstripe in their lives. And of the two who've won a Series, neither has a whiff of the Bronx. We do very well hiring from outside the Steinbrenner training camp.

FWIW, the Dodgers are second to the MFYs on my most hated franchise list.

If the Mets had ever hired Mike Scioscia, it would have been rough to take. But his championship and multiple postseason appearances with the Angels obviously would have made him a good fit at some stage if he was on the team’s radar (probably pre or post Terry).

And so two of the Met pennant winners have Dodger taint all over them. One is neck and neck with Steve Garvey in terms of greatest 1Bmen in franchise history, and the other one was such a longtime Lasorda friend that he had the retired pompous blowhard as a member of his 2001 NL All-Star coaching staff!

[Edgy MD]

Terry Collins was also a longtime Dodger minor-league player, manager, and for a time, player-manager. He spent 5+ years managing their AAA club in Albuquerque and was considered for a time to be Tommy Lasorda's likely successor.

[kcmets]

Hell, Bobby Valentine (a well liked Mets manager) married the spawn
of Lasorda and did alright in most people's books.

(I'm sure there's nothing spawn-like about Mrs. Vee)

[Benjamin Grimm]

Actually, he married the spawn of Ralph Branca.

As I recall, it even said "spawn of Ralph Branca" on the wedding invitations.

[kcmets]

Who am I thinking of, Bobby married Ralph Branca's daughter?

[Benjamin Grimm]

[stevejrogers]

And if you want to go down further the ridiculousness road of excluding those from hated franchises, or eras of them in some cases (see Beltran, Carlos 2017 Astros) for prominent managing, front office and coaching staff hiring and you’ll see Davey Johnson (and Frank Cashen as an architect, and even longtime Weaver coach George Bamberger) from the vaunted, but probably loathed in many circles besides their AL East opponents, “Oriole Way” dynasty of the mid 1960s through the early 1980s.

[kcmets]

I botched that rather well!

Everyone go back to your bickering, nothing to see here...

[MFS62]

Same for Joe Torre: one of the best managerial runs ever as Yankee manager and a dreadful run as manager of the Mets.

If you saw Torre manage in the National League (Mets and Cards- both sub .500), you know that Mariano Rivera added at least 40* points to Torre's baseball I.Q.
Later

* = estimate

[G-Fafif]