Donald Trump in Hot Water

[TransMonk]

He's getting awfully Hitler-esque with the rhetoric here.

[MFS62]

He's getting awfully Hitler-esque with the rhetoric here.

The use of the word "vermin" is right out of that playbook.
Later

[MFS62]

Key evidence?

"She's adding something that's golden evidence for prosecutors both in Georgia and in DC, which is, they don't have to prove this but if they can show that Trump knew he lost and was still trying to hold on to power, that's it,” he said. “That's game over. And that's exactly what she says is the context of the conversation."
Gwen Keyes, a former DeKalb County, Ga., district attorney, told MSNBC that Ellis’ testimony may be key to the Fulton case.
"That is a key element of every one of the crimes that is listed in the indictment," she said. "That being that the defendants knew that they were perpetrating a lie, and so this goes right to the heart of that."

I hope so.
https://www.salon.com/2023/11/14/thats- ... ating-for/

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[Edgy MD]

He's getting awfully Hitler-esque with the rhetoric here.

While this isn't really about his hot water, I'm curious what "we" he is speaking on behalf of here.

But I imagine he doesn't really know either.

[MFS62]

How can anyone who has served in the military support him?
But many still do.
I'm disgusted.

Later

[Edgy MD]

There's speculation going on that a settlement is afoot in the fraud trial.

[Benjamin Grimm]

In which case?

[Edgy MD]

I edited that as you were asking.

The fraud case. Each of the attorneys has had some private time in the judge's chambers.

[Frayed Knot]

I wanna know what Frank's brother Damon has to say about this before I believe anything.

[MFS62]

Useful quotes if you have to talk to a MAGA person (like at Thanksgiving):

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2 ... anti-trump
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[MFS62]

The Justice Department has asked the Supreme Court to determine if Trump gets immunity.

Special counsel Jack Smith on Monday asked the U.S. Supreme Court to step in and quickly decide former President Donald Trump’s claim that he enjoys blanket immunity from criminal prosecution for actions taken while he was in the White House.
The aggressive prosecutor says the conservative-led top court should deliver a timely decision to avoid unnecessary delays in Trump’s explosive election interference trial that is now set for Mar. 4.
“This case presents a fundamental question at the heart of our democracy: whether a former President is absolutely immune from federal prosecution for crimes committed while in office or is constitutionally protected,” Smith’s prosecutors wrote.
The move amounts to calling the bluff of Trump’s defense, which hopes to use a potentially lengthy appeals process to delay the trial if possible until after the 2024 election, when he hopes to regain power.

This is a dangerous move.

https://www.nydailynews.com/2023/12/11/ ... ity-claim/

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[batmagadanleadoff]

This is a dangerous move.

https://www.nydailynews.com/2023/12/11/ ... ity-claim/

Because ...... ?

[whippoorwill]

Something new in the pipeline?

[Benjamin Grimm]

I assume it's dangerous because of the potential that the Court will rule that Trump does in fact have immunity.

Smith is doing this because a quick ruling will eliminate the stalling tactics that Trump's team is doing, where they're hoping to delay any trial until after Trump is once again in the White House.

[MFS62]

This is a dangerous move.
https://www.nydailynews.com/2023/12/11/ ... ity-claim/

Because ...... ?

If they rule he has immunity, it is his "Get Out of Jail Free" card. There will be no reason to continue the cases against him currently in Federal Court. (insurrection and document cases) And I'm not sure if he could claim immunity in the Libel and NY business cases.
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[batmagadanleadoff]

This is a dangerous move.
https://www.nydailynews.com/2023/12/11/ ... ity-claim/

Because ...... ?

If they rule he has immunity, it is his "Get Out of Jail Free" card. There will be no reason to continue the cases against him currently in Federal Court. (insurrection and document cases) And I'm not sure if he could claim immunity in the Libel and NY business cases.

But Smith's move isn't dangerous. If Trump loses in the Circuit Court, he'll appeal to SCOTUS and they'll most likely hear the case anyway. All Smith is doing is moving to expedite the decision. Because a Trump loss that takes a long time to decide could still be a loss for Smith. Smith isn't making it any more dangerous for himself or the Gov't. and prosecution by asking SCOTUS to take this appeal directly from the Disctrict Court and on an expedited basis.

[Edgy MD]

Apparently, it's only recently been publicly learned that there are still classified docs that haven't been recovered.

[MFS62]

And they were reportedly last seen in the possession of Mark Meadows.

Later

[Centerfield]

Boggles my mind that justices appointed by a President can rule on cases involving that President. How is that not a conflict.

[MFS62]

There isn't anything the law provides to remedy the situation.
Thomas can rule on a case in which his wife is somewhere between an interested party and a defendant( or both).
He should recuse himself, but won't.
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[metirish]

Trump Is Disqualified From the 2024 Ballot, Colorado Supreme Court Rules


It’s the first court to find that the disqualification clause of the 14th Amendment applies to Mr. Trump, in addition to affirming that he engaged in insurrection.

Trump Is Disqualified From the 2024 Ballot, Colorado Supreme Court Rules https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/us/p ... roid-share

[MFS62]

Now, let's see how many other states have the balls to follow that ruling.
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[Lefty Specialist]

I'm very much against this. It'll be overturned by the Supreme Court in a jiffy.

This only feeds into the persecution complex that Trump radiates. "They're out to get me, look what four deranged judges in Colorado did!" This will only incite the crazies; those judges better have 24/7 protection for the next few years, or longer if he's elected. It'll also mean he'll win the Colorado primary going away, as he probably would have anyway.

You beat a person at the ballot box, not in a courtroom.

[Frayed Knot]

I'm very much against this. It'll be overturned by the Supreme Court in a jiffy.

This only feeds into the persecution complex that Trump radiates. "They're out to get me, look what four deranged judges in Colorado did!" This will only incite the crazies; those judges better have 24/7 protection for the next few years, or longer if he's elected. It'll also mean he'll win the Colorado primary going away, as he probably would have anyway.

You beat a person at the ballot box, not in a courtroom.

Yup. Yup. And Yup.

[metirish]

Good call