Ten Mets on the Ballot (Hall of Fame 2024)
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Ballots from Greenwood, who writes for the Nashua Telegraph, have been mocked before. He seems to like to provoke people, and backs it up with some twisty logic. For example, he votes for the steroid guys, but not Mark McGwire, because all he did was hit home runs.
https://www.nashuatelegraph.com/sports/ ... s-silence/
https://deadspin.com/wow-do-i-love-the- ... 1822535946Mark McGwire did not receive my vote because his lone claim to greatness was hitting home runs during an era in which home runs have been stupendously devalued. Anyone who remembers when 20-home run seasons marked batters as top-shelf sluggers understands this. My oft-given rational includes the following:
McGwire hit 583 home runs while Jim Rice hit 382. McGwire drove in 1,414 runs, Rice drove in 1,451.
That statistical comparison is one patch of turf upon which sabermatricians may peacefully co-exist with those who believe that scouts know more about baseball than do many general managers.
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#161
Wagner has been a bit hit and miss lately
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#163 correction
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When is the last day for voting? The announcement is in late January.
Last year, 389 ballots were cast.
Do we know how many have been cast so far this year?
Are they all going to be made public?
Later
Last year, 389 ballots were cast.
Do we know how many have been cast so far this year?
Are they all going to be made public?
Later
I blame Susan Collins
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in a large group". George Carlin
I have never insulted anyone. I simply describe them, accurately.
Re: Ten Mets on the Ballot (Hall of Fame 2024)
Next Tuesday all will be revealed, 167 so far
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Today is looking like a big ballot drop day
Re: Ten Mets on the Ballot (Hall of Fame 2024)
Stark on Wright
Is David Wright, longtime Face of the 21st-century Mets, a clear-cut runaway Hall of Famer? Before you start firing off those comments, you should know I understand that answer is a resounding: No!
So let me explain why I voted for him in his debut appearance on this ballot. Because I think we need time to figure out where Wright fits in the age of Impactful Peak voting. And here’s one lesson I’ve learned the hard way in my time as a voter:
You can’t rethink your perspective on any player in Year 2 if he doesn’t survive Year 1!
So why did I vote for this man? Because I’ve seen too many great players turn into awful one-and-dones who get booted off the writers’ ballot after one year. So I’ve decided that if the Hall is going to continue to impose rules that limit how many players we can vote for to 10 and oust anyone who fails to get 5 percent of the vote, then I can strategize too.
I reserve the right to cast a vote every once in a while that’s designed to keep a player from falling off the ballot. And this is one of those votes. From the early voting returns we’ve seen thus far, Wright needs all the votes he can muster.
I wrote more about this in November. But the other reason Wright deserves a longer look is that, after his first 10 seasons, he was on an unmistakable Hall of Fame path. Then injuries — and the rest of his career — happened. But check out those first 10 seasons again:
.301/.382/.506/.888 slash line
222 HR, 183 SB
137 OPS+
46.5 bWAR
Now, just for perspective, here are the only players, whose careers began in the 2000s, who amassed that many wins above replacement and had that good an OPS+ in their first 10 seasons, according to Baseball Reference (excluding PED-tainted players):
Albert Pujols
Mike Trout
Mookie Betts
Joey Votto
Miguel Cabrera
And …
David Wright
Besides that group, there are only 16 other players whose careers began in the expansion era (1961-present) who had 10 seasons like that to begin their careers. If we toss out the PED crowd, only two of them are not in the Hall of Fame: Dick Allen and Todd Helton. And that could change, in both cases.
I don’t know if David Wright is headed for that podium in Cooperstown someday or not. I just know he deserves a chance for all of us to think about that question for more than one voting cycle
Is David Wright, longtime Face of the 21st-century Mets, a clear-cut runaway Hall of Famer? Before you start firing off those comments, you should know I understand that answer is a resounding: No!
So let me explain why I voted for him in his debut appearance on this ballot. Because I think we need time to figure out where Wright fits in the age of Impactful Peak voting. And here’s one lesson I’ve learned the hard way in my time as a voter:
You can’t rethink your perspective on any player in Year 2 if he doesn’t survive Year 1!
So why did I vote for this man? Because I’ve seen too many great players turn into awful one-and-dones who get booted off the writers’ ballot after one year. So I’ve decided that if the Hall is going to continue to impose rules that limit how many players we can vote for to 10 and oust anyone who fails to get 5 percent of the vote, then I can strategize too.
I reserve the right to cast a vote every once in a while that’s designed to keep a player from falling off the ballot. And this is one of those votes. From the early voting returns we’ve seen thus far, Wright needs all the votes he can muster.
I wrote more about this in November. But the other reason Wright deserves a longer look is that, after his first 10 seasons, he was on an unmistakable Hall of Fame path. Then injuries — and the rest of his career — happened. But check out those first 10 seasons again:
.301/.382/.506/.888 slash line
222 HR, 183 SB
137 OPS+
46.5 bWAR
Now, just for perspective, here are the only players, whose careers began in the 2000s, who amassed that many wins above replacement and had that good an OPS+ in their first 10 seasons, according to Baseball Reference (excluding PED-tainted players):
Albert Pujols
Mike Trout
Mookie Betts
Joey Votto
Miguel Cabrera
And …
David Wright
Besides that group, there are only 16 other players whose careers began in the expansion era (1961-present) who had 10 seasons like that to begin their careers. If we toss out the PED crowd, only two of them are not in the Hall of Fame: Dick Allen and Todd Helton. And that could change, in both cases.
I don’t know if David Wright is headed for that podium in Cooperstown someday or not. I just know he deserves a chance for all of us to think about that question for more than one voting cycle
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Re: Ten Mets on the Ballot (Hall of Fame 2024)
Nice job by Stark.
I saw a comparison of Wright and Utley, and Wright was better in a lot of ways. Yet Utley is getting a fair amount of votes.
I saw a comparison of Wright and Utley, and Wright was better in a lot of ways. Yet Utley is getting a fair amount of votes.