Simple Biden Poll

metirish · Post by **metirish** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:48 am

Please vote

Benjamin Grimm · Post by **Benjamin Grimm** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:00 am

I voted No, but I'm not terribly confident in my choice. The drumbeat is growing, but Biden can probably just turn off his hearing aid.

TransMonk · Post by **TransMonk** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:32 am

I vacillate back and forth on this question everyday. I have been landing at "no" the past few days.

I don't know how long rank and file Dems can continue to watch through their fingers every time he opens his mouth while anything that is not perfect gets magnified by the press.

Also, this is largely a problem he created for himself. He proposed the debate, set many of the terms and was sequestered by his staff who has done a horrible job in the aftermath. I keep coming back to how large sections of the party stepped out of the way for him in 2020 and now he's being stubborn?

He has the chance to cement his legacy by dropping out. If he stays in and wins, the next 5 years will be much like the past two weeks...frustrating and humiliating. If he stays in and loses it will be the first line in his obituary, which would be sad for such an impressive life resume.

Edgy MD · Post by **Edgy MD** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:37 am

I voted NO, but I don't know. Narratives change all the time.

One thing can happen tomorrow that becomes a social media sensation. Maybe he saves a child from a rampaging mountain lion. Maybe President Trump is spotted peeing on The Bible.

MFS62 · Post by **MFS62** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:38 am

Will he be? yes.
Should he be? no (but I can't think of any of the already named options who can win)

Later

TransMonk · Post by **TransMonk** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:47 am

I think if it is done right, many of them can win.

batmagadanleadoff · Post by **batmagadanleadoff** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:00 am

TransMonk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:32 am If he stays in and wins, the next 5 years will be much like the past two weeks...frustrating and humiliating.

It would be much worse because aging is a one-way street and a very slippery slope. It gets progressively worse and the pace can accelerate once the person is showing obvious signs of mental decline.

I feel certain that if Biden wins, he won't finish out his second term and that he himself already knows right now that he doesn't even want to finish out his second term. But his ego has him thinking that he's the best bet to beat Trump in November.

As to this poll, I'm guessing that the party leaders will wear him down into grudgingly dropping out. I'm sensing that that's what Obama and Pelosi want.

kcmets · Post by **kcmets** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:26 am

Will Biden be the nominee?

No, he will not.

This decision will come down Monday morning. My question is will he
resign the presidency (my choice) or will he just not run for re-election?

Benjamin Grimm · Post by **Benjamin Grimm** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:02 pm

batmagadanleadoff · Post by **batmagadanleadoff** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:06 pm

Benjamin Grimm wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:02 pm

That's some big forehead. You could land a plane on that forehead.

Benjamin Grimm · Post by **Benjamin Grimm** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:12 pm

Lefty Specialist · Post by **Lefty Specialist** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:41 pm

Yes. Trump is the one who needs to drop out. Remember that Biden was making gaffes with names and such 50 years ago. He gave a press conference yesterday that displayed an understanding of the nuances of foreign policy that Trump would never have in his wildest dreams.

Let Trump give a one-hour press conference on foreign policy. Or the economy. Or women's bodily autonomy. He won't because he's not being held to the same standard as Biden is.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. People are panicking without thinking about the end game. The only way forward would be Kamala. Gavin Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer or anyone else are fantasy candidates. Elections are about two things, money and organization. A new candidate would have neither.

Benjamin Grimm · Post by **Benjamin Grimm** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:43 pm

Well, yeah, that would be the best thing. But that's outside of the Democrats' control.

SteveCohenStan · Post by **SteveCohenStan** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:16 pm

like, a huge portion of primary voters purposely didn't vote for him, no one batted an eyelash.

He berated and dismissed thousands and thousands of new, and newly politically engaged, voters protesting his role in genocide. Also the genocide. crickets.

He's not super charismatic on a TV show. TIME FOR HIM TO GO.

Bob Alpacadaca · Post by **Bob Alpacadaca** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:52 pm

This New York Times story is revealing. Campaigns end when the funding dries up.

Live Election Updates: Donors Said to Freeze Roughly $90 Million as Long as Biden Stays in Race
It’s one of the most concrete examples yet of the fallout from President Biden’s poor debate performance.

I don’t think Biden’s gaffes today are the same as 50 years ago. I think all the evidence points to a person in serious decline. That’s no one’s fault.

Even if Trump were to drop out -- and that would be great -- Biden would still be under pressure to pass the torch based on his physical and cognitive issues.

Edgy MD · Post by **Edgy MD** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:19 pm

Lefty Specialist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:41 pm Yes. Trump is the one who needs to drop out. Remember that Biden was making gaffes with names and such 50 years ago.

I wrote as much as this and and Nymr wrote "Nice story" at me.

It's totally not a story! He was always a verbal klutz!

That said, I disagree that Vice President Harris would have neither money nor organization. Why wouldn't she inherit most of both from President Biden?

Lefty Specialist · Post by **Lefty Specialist** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:29 pm

SteveCohenStan wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:16 pm like, a huge portion of primary voters purposely didn't vote for him, no one batted an eyelash.

He berated and dismissed thousands and thousands of new, and newly politically engaged, voters protesting his role in genocide. Also the genocide. crickets.

He's not super charismatic on a TV show. TIME FOR HIM TO GO.

Hard to tell if that's snark or not. A greater percentage of voters voted against Trump, no eyelashes batted.

Yeah, like Trump would be any better on Gaza. Please. Young people also are learning about Project 2025, something Democrats should be putting on blast 24/7.

I'll give you not super charismatic, though.

He had a bad debate. So people said 'you have to do an interview'. He did, and he did okay.
But people said, "Well, you have to do a live press conference". He did, and he did okay.
But people still aren't satisfied. I guess he has to do a speech while running a marathon and juggling chainsaws. God forbid he drops one.

Meanwhile Trump gets a pass on everything. Even though I hate polls, the latest one shows Biden 50, Trump 48.

Lefty Specialist · Post by **Lefty Specialist** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:32 pm

Edgy MD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:19 pm
Lefty Specialist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:41 pm Yes. Trump is the one who needs to drop out. Remember that Biden was making gaffes with names and such 50 years ago.
I wrote as much as this and and Nymr wrote "Nice story" at me.

It's totally not a story! He was always a verbal klutz!

That said, I disagree that Vice President Harris would have neither money nor organization. Why wouldn't she inherit most of both from President Biden?

Yes, Harris would inherit it all. That's why I said the others were fantasy candidates, because they wouldn't inherit anything. She's the only realistic 'Plan B'.

I believe Kamala would make a great President. I'm not sure enough Americans would agree with me to prevent Trump II, Electric Boogaloo, though.

TransMonk · Post by **TransMonk** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:34 pm

Lefty Specialist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:41 pm People are panicking without thinking about the end game. The only way forward would be Kamala. Gavin Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer or anyone else are fantasy candidates. Elections are about two things, money and organization. A new candidate would have neither.

If Dems got out of the way and coalesced around Harris the way they did Biden in 2020, she would have the support and the money.

LEAN IN to the prosecutor vs. felon narrative and champion women's bodily autonomy all the way. Script the convention to boost her up. It is not impossible. It would certainly motivate squishy Dems more than waiting for the next Biden slip up.

Lefty Specialist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:41 pm He had a bad debate. So people said 'you have to do an interview'. He did, and he did okay.
But people said, "Well, you have to do a live press conference". He did, and he did okay.
But people still aren't satisfied. I guess he has to do a speech while running a marathon and juggling chainsaws. God forbid he drops one.

The narrative is the narrative, no matter what the truth is. America turned into post-truth 8 years ago...or at least post-truth enough that the sizzle is as important as the steak.

People will not be able to un-see the debate. It was an indefensible performance that severely highlighted the guy's biggest flaw.

Benjamin Grimm · Post by **Benjamin Grimm** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:45 pm

TransMonk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:34 pm People will not be able to un-see the debate. It was an indefensible performance that severely highlighted the guy's biggest flaw.

Yeah, this. The heat Biden is getting is somewhere between fair and unfair, but the fact is, he's a severely compromised candidate.

Give the ball to Kamala and let her run with it. As an incumbent, preferably. Biden could have stepped off the stage gracefully, but he pissed away that chance. Now he just has to do it as gracefully as he can manage.

MFS62 · Post by **MFS62** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:05 pm

The debate, the debate, the debate.
Anyone who saw it won't be able to forget it.
Someone on MSNBC today said, "You can't un-ring the bell".
And no matter how they try to explain it or distract from it with announcements and other events. I believe it will be impossible to undo the damage from the debate.

Another story coming to light (I saw the headline but didn't have a chance to read the article yet) is about how Obama and Biden never really liked each other and Obama is getting people on board to get Biden to drop out. And Joe being stubborn Joe, is standing fast.
More to come on that one. Check your news at 11.

Later

kcmets · Post by **kcmets** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:23 pm

He called Kamala Harris Donald Trump the other night.
And that wasn't enough, he then called Zelinski Putin.
Next he'll be calling Grimace The Hamburgler and then all hell...

whippoorwill · Post by **whippoorwill** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:11 pm

I voted yes.
I don’t want him to be but I think he will be

Batty31 · Post by **Batty31** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:38 pm

I voted yes because I can’t see who else would run this late into the race. I know Kamala has been mentioned, but I’m not so sure she’s the best candidate.

Trump is called people, the wrong name before and why does the press not harp on that? 🤔

SteveCohenStan · Post by **SteveCohenStan** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:44 pm

Lefty Specialist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:29 pm
SteveCohenStan wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:16 pm like, a huge portion of primary voters purposely didn't vote for him, no one batted an eyelash.

He berated and dismissed thousands and thousands of new, and newly politically engaged, voters protesting his role in genocide. Also the genocide. crickets.

He's not super charismatic on a TV show. TIME FOR HIM TO GO.
Hard to tell if that's snark or not. A greater percentage of voters voted against Trump, no eyelashes batted.

Yeah, like Trump would be any better on Gaza. Please. Young people also are learning about Project 2025, something Democrats should be putting on blast 24/7.

I'll give you not super charismatic, though.

He had a bad debate. So people said 'you have to do an interview'. He did, and he did okay.
But people said, "Well, you have to do a live press conference". He did, and he did okay.
But people still aren't satisfied. I guess he has to do a speech while running a marathon and juggling chainsaws. God forbid he drops one.

Meanwhile Trump gets a pass on everything. Even though I hate polls, the latest one shows Biden 50, Trump 48.

The over-arching point is that there's been a strong movement for him to step aside from day 1, and from people that might legitimately not vote for him. Is anybody that was going to vote for him, suddenly not going to vote for him now, because of the debate?