Are the Mets Just Bad

[MFS62]

Between Lindor unslumping himself and Vientos' promotion, it's as if the Mets replaced two rock-bottom dreadful players (early-season Lindor and Baty) with two MVP-caliber players.

I like where you're going with that. Of course Lindor will get MVP votes. But IMO Vientos deserves get a few, too.
Later

[batmagadanleadoff]

Between Lindor unslumping himself and Vientos' promotion, it's as if the Mets replaced two rock-bottom dreadful players (early-season Lindor and Baty) with two MVP-caliber players.

I like where you're going with that. Of course Lindor will get MVP votes. But IMO Vientos deserves get a few, too.
Later

Do you think so? I do. So long as Vientos continues to perform at the rate he's been performing at. And especially if the Mets make the playoffs. Not that that should matter a whit. But on that point, I don't have a vote. Just an opinion. Still, when I hear or read about actual voters handing out MVP votes based on where the player's team finished in the standings, I wanna strangle them and bash their heads against the wall. (But not literally.)

[Frayed Knot]

While by the standards of seven game win streaks the Mets have seemingly gained little ground lately.
But flash back to the loss to Arizona on Aug 28 (the Diaz walk-walk-GS game). At the end of that night the Mets were four games in back of Atlanta,
six in back of San Diego, and seven behind Arizona. But in just eight days 4, 6, and 7 game deficits have turned into 0, 3.0, and 2.5

And that ain't nuthin'!

[Frayed Knot]

What's going to hurt Vientos most in the MVP voting is the 200-250 Plate Appearance deficit he'll have compared to most of the everyday players.

[batmagadanleadoff]

What's going to hurt Vientos most in the MVP voting is the 200-250 Plate Appearance deficit he'll have compared to most of the everyday players.

Absolutely. He won't come near the top vote-getters. But he should get down ballot votes.

Is Vientos even in the National conversation yet? Is the National media noticing this guy yet?

[Frayed Knot]

Top ten for him certainly isn't out of the question.

[Centerfield]

At scoring runs? 17th in MLB in runs scored, 17th in MLB in OPS.

Maybe the good news here is that they almost have to get better. McNeil, JD, and Lindor are all under .700 in OPS. McNeil might be washed, but the other two you'd think will end up significantly higher. Alonso's OPS is .715. That will improve. Nimmo's also below career norms at .744.

But the others might be what they are. Marte, Baty, Alvarez, Bader. They kinda are what they've been. Maybe one of them will break out but you certainly can't bank on it.

So far, the young guys on the farm aren't providing much hope. Jett Williams is injured and batting .179. Acuna's OPS is .595. Drew Gilbert is out until the end of this month with a hamstring. Maybe we call up Vientos and hope he's improved with the glove enough to stick around.

It's fun to go through this thread and see how far we came. Eventually, that 17th ranked offense finished 7th in MLB. JD got better. Pete got better. And Lindor got a lot better. McNeil picked it up a bit at the end but was just about a wash. Nimmo actually hit worse.

Acuna came up at the end and helped a little. Recalling Vientos was huge.

[MFS62]

Is Vientos even in the National conversation yet? Is the National media noticing this guy yet?

Vientos is showing the national media who he is in great style.
And the best part is, he looks like he's having fun while doing it.
That smile's going to get him a lot of endorsement deals.
Later

[Benjamin Grimm]

[metirish]

That graph is amazing

[Frayed Knot]

From June 11th on they were 11.5 games better than Philly, and that doesn't even include the recent four contests.
So you can describe this series a lot of different ways, but 'fluke' can't be one of them.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Very true. The Phillies were the better team in April and May. The Mets were the better team in September and October.

It seems to have worked out well.

[ashie62]

There had to be cheating going on

[batmagadanleadoff]

There had to be cheating going on

I was wondering about this just the other day. Just wondering, that's all.